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Oneisraelite
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 Posted - 24 Feb 2004 : 22:30:43
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Greetings dear brother Dani’el Yahu’aqob:
Peace be to you.
We first wish to state that it is an honour and a privilege to have communion with one who has sacrificed so much for the restoration of the Kingdom, and we thank you.
You state: “Now as I see this statement, it is your position that this replacing or supplanting of the sacred name was done by and under the direction of our Adversary.”
Our answer is this: Yahweh was well aware that this would occur as He tells us:
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Lord [Ba’al].
Easton’s Bible Dictionary
Baal
Lord.
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith Yahweh [#H3068] of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Obvious from this last line, that He knew it full well!
You ask: “One: Why would our Father, YHWH, allow such a gross distortion of His Name and Word, knowing that millions would be lead astray?”
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Answer: Because that is what they choose, just like the “young man” who, when he heard the truth from Yahushua Himself, “went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.” Like Esau, they perceive no value in Him, or His Kingdome, and will sell their inheritance for a mess of pottage.
You ask: “What is your evidence of such an act?”
Answer: Aside from the above Scriptures, there is a preponderance of evidence that this has occurred, and it is “the honour of kings [sovereigns] to search out the matter.”
Not only should we search out the matter, we should also try to figure out why? The questions we ask are: (1)Why did the kosmokrators [#G2888] resist giving us a translation of the Scriptures until they felt they had "sanitized" them, made them ineffectual against their power base? (2)What did they do to make them safe?
We pray this has answered your questions.
Our Love to you and yours, dear brother.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 24 Feb 2004 : 22:51:55
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Greetings brother Manuel:
Peace be to you.
We were not, and thus far are not, offended by anything you have said.
No problemo, amigo!
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Manuel
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 10:35:51
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Greetings to you and yours oneisraleite, amongst all In Him,
"Hey," using the spanish language, (the version I know of), it is spelled, "¡No hay problema, amigo!" :)
In Him, I am,
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 11:51:00
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brother Manuel:
We stand corrected. Thank you.
Perhaps we should stick to American Engish, a language we THOUGHT we understood. :)
Our love to you and yours.
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DanielJacob
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 12:20:34
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Brother oneisraelite,
Please forgive me, but I am still not sure that I understand how you are arriving at your conclusions concerning this matter. The quote from Jeremiah is verses 16-17 as you well know, and those verses are part of the total paragraph that covers verses 9-32. It wasn't very long ago that I was having a discussion with one of the brothers that I fellowship with about the use of a verse here or there to prove whatever point one is trying to make, and I discovered I have some real problems with that approach to Scripture, even though I am as guilty as anyone of this. Our discussion was one similar to those on this thread, not in content, in manner. Every time I would raise an example in Scripture to illustrate my position, he would counter with his example to support his position or cast doubt upon mine. I know that this is a long winded introduction but I considered it necessary in order to express my answer to your instant post and give you a perspective of where I stand.
Let us begin, as it is said, at the beginning. This chapter, twenty-three, is one of only a few of Jeremiah, unlike the many of Isaiah, that makes a prophecy concerning our Saviour. If we look at the first verse of this chapter it begins "Woe to the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of their pasture!" This being the opening sentence sets the context of this chapter; the admonition of the pastors and rulers that have deceived the people. Those that would steal their salvation from them. Let us look at the next paragraph where we are told that Father will raise up a righteous branch (the Christ) and we are further told that in His days (those of the Christ) this is the name whereby He shall be called Yosedec (LXX), Jehovah-Tsidkenu (Yah our righteousness.) Now, is this a commandment that this is the Name that we are to use for our Saviour or is this only one of the many Names that will be attributed to our Saviour and our Father?; for surely without the one we would not have the other. The next paragraph, verses 9-32, begins "Mine heart within Me is broken because of the prophets; all My bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome…. Here Jeremiah is expressing his deep concern and his confusion concerning what was threatening to his country and people because of the false prophets. He goes on to talk about the things that he observed in Sameria (Israel) concerning their prophets prophesying by Baal. The prophets of Judah had not done this until now and Jeremiah goes on to deliver Father's decree against these prophets and how these prophets are recognized. Father goes on to then say that he is against these false prophets and rulers, that steal His words and prophesy by dreams that cause the people to error. The whole subject is against the false prophets, not against the flock. There is no direct commandment that we are to use a specific Name for the Eternal or for His Son other than those, that describe their essence, including but not limited to Jehovah-Jireh ("Yah will see") The place where Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac. Lost. (Genesis 22:14); Jehovah-Nissi ("Yah my banner") Place of an altar built by Moses in memory of a victory over the Amalekites, on Horeb (Exodus 17:15); Jehovah-Shalom ("Yah is peace") Place of an altar built by Gideon in Ophrah, in memory of the salutation of the angel, "Peace be unto thee" (Judges 6:24); Jehovah-Shammah ("Yah is there") The name of the city in Ezekiel’s vision (Ezekiel 40; Ezekiel 48); Jehovah-Tsidkenu ("Yah our righteousness," in Jeremiah23:6). The only commandment that I am aware of concerning the Name of the Eternal is; Thou shalt not take the Name of the Eternal in vain. (i.e. You will not profane the Name of the Eternal.)
Jehovah-shalom.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 19:12:57
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Greetings and salutations in the name of the King, brother Daniel Jacob:
Peace be to you.
“And ye shall know that I have sent this COMMANDMENT unto you…”
Attention: A COMMANDMENT has just been issued by the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe to His Priests!! And just what is that COMMANDMENT?
“If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to GIVE GLORY UNTO MY NAME,”saith Yahweh [#H3068] of hosts...
And what are the penalties for not obeying this COMMANDMENT?
I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. Malachi 2:2-4
Aside from this issue that we are talking of here, much wisdom is gained once we begin “rightly dividing” the names found in the Scripture. For example, when Rachel, thinking that she might be barren, finally gave birth to a son, we are all told she named him Joseph, however, if we go back to the Hebrew and “rightly divide” that name; what we find is this (contrary to what James Strong says it means): His Hebrew name is Yahu’caph and is made up of two Hebrew words Yahweh and caph. Caph means, “threshold”, so when we put these two together we get, "Yahweh’s Threshold". Now, the reason Rachel gave him this name, OR SO SHE THOUGHT, is because Joseph/Yahu’caph was her “threshold” into childbearing. However, we now ask, what was Yahushua’s earthly father’s name? Yahu’caph [Joseph], right? We now see the REAL reason why Rachel was INSPIRED to name her first son Joseph, or rather, Yahu’caph. Yahu'caph was "Yahweh’s Threshold" into this realm, i.e. his earthly father.
Another example we can give is from the New Testament writings. Here is the verse as we read it in the King James Version [with the sacred name added, of course, just so everyone knows to which god they were referring, since Paul tells us “there be gods many”, and yes, we know that he goes on to say that we will only accept one.]:
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of Yahweh is preached, and every man presseth into it.Luke 16:16
“The law and the prophets were until John”? Rather an odd reading verse is it not? Now, if we rightly divide the word of Truth and ferret out the true name and meaning of John, we find that it is Yahu’chanan and means, "Yahweh’s Grace", not "Jehovah-favoured" as Dr Strong tries to tell us. Here is that same verse with the meaning of that name inserted:
The law and the prophets were until Yahweh’s Grace: since that time the kingdom of Yahweh is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Well, we’ll be hornswoggled, will you look at that. Now it makes sense!
The Wonderful Counsellor sent to Yerulsalem; his Hebrew name is Yahu’shua made up of two Hebrew words (again, not what Strong’s says, though he gets it right on other names ending in shua) #H3068 & #H7769, Yahweh and shua. Shua means, “to halloo”, and what is a halloo?
Webster’s 1828 Dictionary
HAL'LOO, v.i. To cry out; to exclaim with a loud voice; to call to by name…
Thus when we put the two meanings of the Hebrew words together we come up with Joel 2:32 … ”Call upon the name of Yahweh” or if you prefer, Hail Yahweh! And of course “hail” means “salute” or Salute Yahweh!
This is why they said what they said when they were accused of turning the world upside down in the Acts of the Apostles…watch that same verse when the meaning of the name Yahu’shua is put in the place of the false name JESUS. First the original:
Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus. Act 17:7
And now with the added [italicized] word, one, removed and the meaning put back in, as Yahweh intended, here is how it that verse reads:
Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Hail Yahweh or "Call upon the name of Yahweh".
Now, we must understand, this was at a time when virtually everyone else was running around saying, "we have no king but caesar", Hail Caesar. This is why the council “commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name”. This is why Yahweh puts so much import on peoples’ names in the Scripture; it was to tell us to pay attention to names!! And this is why, at all costs, we must find and understand the True name of the Creator, this is how we "seek His face".
There are scriptures within the Scriptures once one perceives this.
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DanielJacob
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 18:36:56
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Greetings and salutations in the name of the King, brother Dani'el Yahu'aqob:
Peace be unto you, dear brother.
We too have miles to go [much study to do] before we sleep. We have only looked at the tip of the iceberg and if we believe that we have seen the whole thing we will never dive in to see how grand it truly is.
Because of our conversations here we too have gone back to studying the issue more and if you don't mind we shall "borrow" all those websites that you so graciously posted to see if we can shine more light on this issue as well. Here is the one that we are currently studying AGAIN to see if, now that we have "grown" a little, we can extract more truth from it. http://www.yahweh.org/publications/sny/sn09Chap.pdf
We hope you know that we have the utmost respect for you and what you have to share and always look forward to your posts.
We must always remember that the hand knows things that the foot does not, and vice versa, and that when we share our information with each other we strengthen the whole Body.
We thank you for your kind words. In closing we give you this from King David in the Psalms.
Psalm 129:8 Neither do they which go by say, The blessing of Yahweh [#H3068] be upon you: we bless you in the name of Yahweh [#H3068].
Well, brother Dani'el Yahu'aqob [Yahweh's Heel Catcher], let it not be so; The blessing of Yahweh be upon you: we bless you in the name of Yahweh.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 : 21:32:29
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Greetings in the name of Yahweh, brethren:
Peace be to the house.
This post has been deleted by the author, since the list has been changed since this was posted.
"My people shall know my name..." Yahsha'yahu [Isaiah] 52:6...Not Maybe!...Not Perhaps!...Not Possibly! But...SHALL!!!!
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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 05:16:07
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One last point needs to be considered with some things that have already been addressed.
The Rabbinical Talmudist altered YHWH's name so that when it was read, it would be pronounced Adoni. They also altered any names that began with the short form of YHWH's name Yah and the middle form Yahu. The Name was altered to Ye-ho. However, they did not alter it at the end of the names of those who had the short and middle form of YHW's Name. Therefore, it was fine to pronounce the Father's name at the end of a name, but never before. The Name of the Father, "YHWH, YHW and YH," alone was not spoken by the Pharisees or Sadducees in front of the people, but YHW and YH were spoken at the end of names.
Understanding what has just been said and simple logic considering their own laws about not saying the name, the Pharisees or Sadducees would not have called HaMashiach by the name of Yahshuah, but instead would use the traditional name "Yeshua."
If you thought that that the person in front of you was a false Mashiach, it would be absurd to address him by the name of the True Mashiach. If you in fact did, then the people around you would think you believed the person you addressed was in fact Mashiach. Therefore, to a Pharisee or Sadducee, it would have been absurd, mockery and blasphemy and be against their own laws to call Him Yahshuah. For them to address Mashiach by His real name, they would actually be addressing Him in the manner as the Salvation of Yahuah. They did not believe He was the Salvation of Yahuah, so they sure not going to address him by the name that represents the same, then in turn be condemned to death by other Pharisees or Sadducees for speaking the forbidden Name.
You have to understand that for a Jew to say, Yeshua, there is no problem, but they will refuse to say the name Yahshuah because of the laws in the Talmud and because they do not believe that the Yeshuah of Yahuah has come. If they did say the Name Yahshuah, it is most likely because they do not care about the traditions of the of the Rabbinical Talmudist and believe in the Yeshuah of Yahuah.
During Yahshuah's day, those who followed the rules of the Pharisees and Sadducees would not have spoken His name as Yahshuah either, but reather would use the traditional name of Yeshua.
* John 12:42 Nevertheless, even among the rulers, many believed in Him, but, because of the Pharisees, they did not confess Him lest they should be put out of the synagogue.
If they in fact did confess him, they would not call him Yeshua, but rather would call Him Yahshuah and say, "save me from my sins," but, because of the Pharisees, they did not. All those close to Yahshuah, those who believed in Him, did in fact call him by the name given to Him from the Father. After the resurrection and Pentecost, the name Yahshuah became more widely used because many believed He was the Salvation of Yahuah and they did not care about the laws of those who rejected Him. This is why you later see the Pharisees and Sadducees persecuting the believers who called on His Name. There was no problem before because not many confessed Him through His real name openly.
"The Conspiracy"
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 11:19:25
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Greetings brothers and sisters:
A dear brother asked us this question privately, we answer publicly for the edification of the Body of Anointed [Yahushua's body politic].
You ask: “I understand your point about being anointed. What I fail to understand is how we can possibly approach the point of being the Anointed One, be it even in name only. By this I am referring to reference to saints as Yahu'shuah, since I am of the belief that there is only one Yahu'shuah who is the only begotten Son of the Living God, Yahweh.”
Us: I cannot speak for you, but as for myself, I am not trying to become THE Anointed One, for there is only one Teacher, rather, we are to emulate Him. He is the Head of man, the only way we are more or less equals with Him is in the fact that He has made us a “royal priesthood” [I Peter 2:9 & Revelation 1:6] and “joint-heirs”, “participants in common” [Romans 8:17] with Himself.
Melchisedec means king de jure, i.e. king by right. The order of Melchisedec is a royal priesthood [I Peter 2:9], that is to say, one who is of this order is a king [a sovereign] and a priest [Revelation 1:6].
H6664
tsedeq
tseh'-dek
From H6663; the right (natural, moral or legal)
That, in our humble opinion, should have read “natural, moral AND Lawful”, since legal is the antithesis of lawful. Legal is the dead letter, while lawful is equitable, the spirit of the law. Law without the spirit of fairness, is dead.
Please tell us what you make of these words, which THE Anointed One Himself spoke:
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends;[#G5384] for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. Yahu’chanan [John] 15:15
G5384
philos
fee'-los
Properly dear, that is, a friend; actively fond, that is, friendly (still as a noun, an associate…)
Why does an attorner [attorney] long to become an “associate”? Because they become equals with all but the “owner”.
Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of American English
ASSO'CIATE, n. 1. A companion; one frequently in company with another, implying intimacy or equality; a mate; a fellow. 2. A partner in interest, as in business; or a confederate in a league.
And He hath made us “joint-heirs” with Him in His inheritance.
JOINT'-HEIR, n. [joint and heir.] An heir having a joint interest with another. Rom 8. [Ibid.]
JOINT, a. Shared by two or more; as joint property. 1. United in the same profession; having an interest in the same thing; as a joint-heir or heiress.
Thus, if we knew, and by this word we mean FULLY COMPREHENDED, the truth of the matter, it would indeed [not merely in words] set us free. We, and you, “say” we are the “adopted” children [Yahweh's family is not made up of just “sons”] of the Creator of the Universe…what does that mean? It means we are the Princes of the King, Princes of ‘El, i.e. Yisra’el. If we TRULY understood this, would we let a mere man rule over us and seek his permission to do anything, providing we did not use our position for "a cloak of maliciousness"? The King requires, exclusive loyalty; Thou shalt love [obey] Yahweh thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind; and that we be righteous, i.e. moral; And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Mattith’yahu [Matthew] 22:37,39-40
The only way we can do this is to follow His Moral Law, the Ten Commandments, in the spirit of fairness – Equity! And visiting the inequity of the fathers…
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mattith’yahu [Matthew] 7:12
The red letters indicate that the King Himself has proclaimed this! “FOR THIS IS THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS!”
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Mattith’yahu [Matthew] 25:40
To understand this, how would you feel if someone stole your brother’s [a prince of ‘El] conveyance, his only means of freely moving about? How would you feel if someone tried to tell your brother [a prince of ‘El] that he could not build a house, on land that he LAWFULLY occupied, to protect his family from the elements without their express written permission? Mosheh [Moses] became so angry that he killed the agent of the Pharaoh [the king] who was beating his brother!! Did Yahweh chastise him for this act? We think not!! Please understand we are not advocating “killing” but rather are trying desperately to show you the Good Tidings for what they truly are. It is not “religious” mumbo jumbo; it is reality! Yahushua was, and is, the Law Counsellor of Yahweh, sent to explain this to us…to give us salvation…to set us free, NOT in NEVER-NEVER-LAND, but HERE and NOW. And the ‘church’ today, seeks to keep Him on the “cross” and keep his brothers and sisters in bondage to iniquitous rules of men!
What does “crucify” mean? You may be surprised at this meaning that brother Noah [Webster] gives us: “In scriptural language, to subdue; to mortify; to destroy the power or ruling influence of.” He obviously understood the real reason they nailed Him to a tree!! And it is just as obvious that it did not work, or we would not be telling you these things.
This dear brother and sister, IS the AWAKENING! If you cannot see it, we can only say, “we are sorry”, but it is not ours, but His, to give it to whomsoever He Will.
End of letter.
All we ask of you who do not see this, is not to hinder those who would enter in. Is that too much to ask? We pray it is not. If it is, we shall let the Master Himself reply: Get thee behind me satan!!
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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 13:34:07
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An addition, which I had not thought of before.
Understanding what has just been said and simple logic considering their own laws about not saying the name, the Pharisees or Sadducees would not have called HaMashiach by His given name "Yahshuah," but instead would use the traditional name "Yeshua." This traditional name was common and has the simple meaning of save.
* OT:3442 Yeshua ` (yay-shoo'-ah); for OT391 he will save; Jeshua,
the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Palestine:
The name Yeshua is the altered/shorter (lesser) form of Yahushua (son of nun) which was first altered to Yehoshua.
* OT:3091 Yehowshuwa` (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah); ["Yahuah-saved;} Jehoshua
(i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader: -Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Compare OT:1954, OT:3442.
Yahushua son of Nun was used to save Yisrael from the earthly enemies when they entered into the promise land. Therefore, this name means what Yahuah did through this person, (I.E.) save Yisrael from their enemies, but it was not a Yahushua's given name -- a name not given at birth..
According to the scripture, when important names were given at birth, the meaning of a name was also given.
* Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, "This one will
comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because
of the ground which Yahuah has cursed."
* Gen 25:25 And the first came out red. He was like a hairy garment
all over; so they called his name Esau.
* Gen 29:32 So Leah conceived and bore a son, and she called his
name Reuben; for she said, "Yahuah has surely looked on my
affliction. Now therefore, my husband will love me.
* Gen 29:35 And she conceived again and bore a son, and said, "Now I
will praise Yahuah." Therefore she called his name Yahudah. Then
she stopped bearing.
* Gen 30:18 Leah said, "Elohim has given me my wages, because I have
given my maid to my husband." So she called his name Issachar.
* Gen 30:19-20 Then Leah conceived again and bore Jacob a sixth son.
And Leah said, "Elohim has endowed me with a good endowment; now
my husband will dwell with me, because I have borne him six sons."
So she called his name Zebulun.
* Gen 30:24 So she called his name Joseph, and said, "Yahuah shall
add to me another son."
* Ex 2:10 And the child grew, and she brought him to Pharaoh's
daughter, and he became her son. So she called his name Moses,
saying, "Because I drew him out of the water."
When the name of the Mashiach was first given, the meaning of His name was also given. The Name was given with the meaning of "He shall save His people from their sins."
* Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his
name Yahshuah: for he shall save his people from their sins.
No other name has the meaing of "He shall save His people from their sins," but it is a unique name like no other. The name Yahushua, Yeshua or Jesus does not not have the meaning of "Save me from my sins," but the Name Yahshuah does, because He (I.E.) Yahshuah is the forgiveness of sins, which is the Salvation of Yahuah. Therefore, this name (I.E.) Yahshuah means what Yahuah did through this Person, (I.E.) save Yisrael from their Sins, and was His given name -- a name given at birth.
With that being said, if you thought that that the person in front of you was a false Mashiach, it would be absurd to address him by the name of the True Mashiach. If you in fact did, then the people around you would think you believed the person you addressed was in fact Mashiach, because you used the meaning of "save me from my sins." Therefore, to a Pharisee or Sadducee, it would have been absurd, mockery and blasphemy and be against their own laws to call Him Yahshuah. For them to address Mashiach by His real name, would be like saying "Save me from My Sins," which would actually be addressing Him in the manner as the Salvation of Yahuah. They did not believe He was the Salvation of Yahuah, so they sure not going to address Him by the name that represents the same, then in turn be condemned to death by other Pharisees or Sadducees for speaking the forbidden Name.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 01 Mar 2004 : 18:01:37
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Greetings 2-elect,
Peace be unto the house.
What do you make of these verses of the Scripture?
Exodus 33:11 And Yahweh [#H3068] spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Yahushua [#H3091], the son of Nun [Perpetuity], a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
Mattith’yahu [Matthew] 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Why did Yahushua not come out of the tabernacle? Why is he never heard from again in the following seven chapters of Exodus?
I Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was the Messiah [Christ].
Who was the Rock that was with them in the wilderness? What was his name?
Why is Yahushua referred to as the son of Nun 30 times in the Scripture?
H5126#1468;
nûn nôn
noon, nohn
From H5125; perpetuity…
H5125
nûn
noon
A primitive root; to resprout, that is, propagate by shoots; figuratively, to be perpetual
Perpetual?
Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of American English
PERPET'UAL, a. [L. perpetuus, from perpes, perpetis; per and pes, from a root signifying to pass.] 1. Never ceasing; continuing forever in future time; destined to be eternal…
Why is the Messiah referred to as “the BRANCH”, #H6780?
H6780
tsemach
tseh'-makh
From H6779; a sprout (usually concretely), literally or figuratively…
Shouldn’t that verse have referred to him as the “Sprout”? Wonder why they changed it to “the BRANCH” [all caps], particularly since there are Hebrew words for branch?
H6779
tsâmach
tsaw-makh'
A primitive root; to sprout (transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively)
Do you perceive there to be any connection between “re-sprout” and “a sprout” or “to sprout”?
The next Yahushua we see is receiving a crown…
Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Yahushua [#H3091] the son of Josedech [#H3087 – Yahweh righted], the high priest; And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh Yahweh [#H3068] of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Sprout [#H6780]; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of Yahweh [#H3068]: Even he shall build the temple of Yahweh [#H3068]; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Yahu'chanan [John] 2:19
An interesting thing we find concerning Josedech [Yahweh-tsâdaq]…
3087
yehôtsâdâq
yeh-ho-tsaw-dawk'
From H3068 and H6663; Yahweh-righted
With little doubt we all know that H3068 is the sacred name but let us take a closer look at H6663, tsâdaq .
H6663
tsâdaq
tsaw-dak'
A primitive root; to be (causatively make) right (in a moral or forensic sense)
What exactly does this mean Yahweh makes right “in a forensic sense”?
Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of American English
FOREN'SIC, a. [from L. forensis, from forum, a court.] Belonging to courts of judicature; used in courts or legal proceeding…
Evidently Yahweh was making it "right" in the sense that it would hold up in court.
We were just wondering, could any of this have to do with the Yahushua, the Messiah, King and High Priest?
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Oneisraelite
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Greetings and salutations in the name of the King, brothers and sisters:
Peace be upon the house.
Is anyone familiar with this concerning the name "Yeshu(a)"?
"Yeshu(a)...an acronym for “Yemach Shemow W-zikhrow”, meaning, “May His name and memory be erased”, and it was used in the “Toldoth Yeshu”, a very old rabbinical Judaist document that scorned the Anointed."
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2-elect
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Shalom One Isrealite
My reply is within ---yours----
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Originally posted by oneisraelite
Greetings 2-elect,
Peace be unto the house.
What do you make of these verses of the Scripture?
Exodus 33:11 And Yahweh [#H3068] spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Yahushua [#H3091], the son of Nun [Perpetuity], a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
Mattith?yahu [Matthew] 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
-----His servant Moses, his servant David, his servant Ahiyah, his servant Eliyahu, his servant Jonah and be found in the tanak. It does not mean any of His servants would have the same name as the Mashiach. Was Moses greater than Yahushua son of Nun?----
Why did Yahushua not come out of the tabernacle? Why is he never heard from again in the following seven chapters of Exodus?
-----I guess, if it was important the scriptures would have said so. Did they?------
I Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was the Messiah [Christ].
----That Rock was not son of Nun. Son of Nun went before Yisrael----
Who was the Rock that was with them in the wilderness? What was his name?
----It was not Yahushua son of Nun, because he went before them and the Rock followed them.----
Why is Yahushua referred to as the son of Nun 30 times in the Scripture?
----because he was the son of Nun and Not Son of Elohim.----
H5126#1468;
nûn nôn
noon, nohn
From H5125; perpetuity?
H5125
nûn
noon
A primitive root; to resprout, that is, propagate by shoots; figuratively, to be perpetual
Perpetual?
Webster?s 1828 Dictionary of American English
PERPET'UAL, a. [L. perpetuus, from perpes, perpetis; per and pes, from a root signifying to pass.] 1. Never ceasing; continuing forever in future time; destined to be eternal?
Why is the Messiah referred to as ?the BRANCH?, #H6780?
H6780
tsemach
tseh'-makh
From H6779; a sprout (usually concretely), literally or figuratively?
Shouldn?t that verse have referred to him as the ?Sprout?? Wonder why they changed it to ?the BRANCH? [all caps], particularly since there are Hebrew words for branch?
H6779
tsâmach
tsaw-makh'
A primitive root; to sprout (transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively)
Do you perceive there to be any connection between ?re-sprout? and ?a sprout? or ?to sprout??
The next Yahushua we see is receiving a crown?
Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Yahushua [#H3091] the son of Josedech [#H3087 ? Yahweh righted], the high priest; And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh Yahweh [#H3068] of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Sprout [#H6780]; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of Yahweh [#H3068]: Even he shall build the temple of Yahweh [#H3068]; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Yahu'chanan [John] 2:19
An interesting thing we find concerning Josedech [Yahweh-tsâdaq]?
3087
yehôtsâdâq
yeh-ho-tsaw-dawk'
From H3068 and H6663; Yahweh-righted
With little doubt we all know that H3068 is the sacred name but let us take a closer look at H6663, tsâdaq .
H6663
tsâdaq
tsaw-dak'
A primitive root; to be (causatively make) right (in a moral or forensic sense)
What exactly does this mean Yahweh makes right ?in a forensic sense??
Webster?s 1828 Dictionary of American English
FOREN'SIC, a. [from L. forensis, from forum, a court.] Belonging to courts of judicature; used in courts or legal proceeding?
Evidently Yahweh was making it "right" in the sense that it would hold up in court.
-----It is taught that Mashiach?s name is foretold in Zecharyahu 6:9-13. But this is a very poor attempt at teaching a name for the Mashiach.
* Zech 6:9-13 Then the word of Yahuah came to me, saying: "Receive the gift from the captives--from Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, who have come from Babylon--and go the same day and enter the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah. Take the silver and gold, make an elaborate crown, and set it on the head of Yahushua the son of Yahuzadak, the high priest. Then speak to him, saying, 'Thus says Yahuah of hosts, saying: "Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH! From His place He shall branch out, And He shall build the temple of Yahuah; Yes, He shall build the temple of Yahuah, He shall bear the glory, And shall sit and rule on His throne; So He shall be a priest on His throne, And the counsel of peace shall be between them both."
They teach that since it says "Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH" and since the one being prophesied over, whose name is Yahushua, the Mashiach's name would also be Yahushua. However, there are no scriptures that teach Yahushua, son of Zecharyahu, was called the BRANCH. The prophecy is in fact speaking of one whose name is the BRANCH (Mashiach) and this same person would branch out into a priesthood and build the (living) Temple. There had already been prophecy about the BRANCH of which they were aware of, so they knew the prophecy was not about Yahushua son of Yahuzadak.
The prophecy is as simple as the following: Yahushua, son of Yahuzadak, was a high preist, but he was not a good enough high priest to atone for sins. So the prophecy speaks of the Man to come whose name is the BRANCH and He will be the true High Priest. The entire prophecy is about the one whose name is the BRANCH. Behold, lo, see (this prophecy, see who it speaks of) the Man whose name is BRANCH, he shall build the temple . Simple as that. The belief of the name Yahushua to be used in calling on salvation contradicts what many other scriptures teach. Therefore, this teaching is not sound according to the Scripture. We will show you why. But first you must consider the following questions.------
We were just wondering, could any of this have to do with the Yahushua, the Messiah, King and High Priest?
-----It appears that you believe the Mashiach is not Deity. Is this correct? If so, I can understand why you would want to use the name of a regular man for the Mashiach instead of the Name that is spoken about in Joel 2:32. As you know it is not Yahushua.-----
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el, NOT the STATE OF ISRAEL.
Is any one of the followiing names the Name spoken about in Joel: 2:32 or Acts 2:21?
Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin
Yod-vav-shin-vav-ayin
Yod-hey-vav-shin-ayin?
If it is, then I will use it to teach this is the Name spoken about in the Prophecy of Joel, which is the same as Peter and Paul quoted when they taught HaMashiach.
If none of the names above is the Name spoken about through the prophecy, then why would you use any one of those names for the name to call on for salvation?
Processes of elimination is one way of getting rid of what is incorrect, and a way to find what is correct, correct?
Should the name to call on for salvation contain all of the following letters Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh ?
Shalom
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2-elect
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 : 15:32:01
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Shalom All,
There will be some who will say I can't find "Yod Hey Shin Waw Ayin Hey" in the Tanak. They make a good point. However, YHWH's full name was not given for salvation until Joel's prophecy was fulfilled. So we are not going to find YHWH's full Name spelled with the meaning of salvation in the Tanak.
What I can show you from the Tanak is that the Father's name in fact contains shin and ayin from the names of His servants that have His name with meanings of save and safe.
OT:3470 Yesha` yahu (yesh-ah-yaw-oo'); Yah has saved;
The Above name Yeshayahu is Yahuah's name (for His earthly servant) with the meaning of "Save." It is spelled in Hebrew as Yod Shin Ayin Yod Hey Waw. As you see it contains three letters of the Tetragrammaton and also has Shin and Ayin within the name.
OT:3091 Yahushua` (Yah-oo-sh'-ah) Yah-saved;
The Above name Yahushua is Yahuah?s name (for His earthly servant) with the meaning of "Save." It is spelled in Hebrew as Yod Hey waw Shin Ayin. As you see it also contains three letters of the Tetragrammaton and also has Shin and Ayin within the name.
So in fact the Father's name is proven to have the letters shin and ayin in His Name from references in the Tanak. It is just the matter of the order of shin and ayin. However, H-3444 settles this matter because it is the salvation only Yahuah can fulfill, and only needs a hey after Yod to be the Tetra with the meaning of salvation.
Yahuah----Yod-Hey---------Waw-----------Hey--------(Tetragrammaton)
Yehshuah----Yod----Shin---Waw--Ayin----Hey-------(Complete salvation H-3444)
Bringing the two together in their order gives the Tetra the meaning of salvation. Shin and Ayin is already in His name for His earthly servants that have His name, therefore the Tetra with shin and ayin, is no different.
Yahuah gave the middle form of His name with Shin and Ayin for the names of His earthly servants. Yahuah gave His full name YHWH with shin and ayin to the one who was the Salvation of Yahuah, (I.E.) Yahshuah HaMashiach.
All of this is by far, more sound than using and teaching the incorrect names of Yahushua, Yahoshua, Y'hoshua, Yeshua, Y'shua, Iesous, and Jesus for the Tetra with the meaning of salvation.
It is a shame that one who has only been in the faith for about 4 years has to correct all the leaders who have been in the faith for a great number of years.
Yahuah please help us and bless us with your name, for truth and our salvation depends on it!
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BatKol
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 : 17:24:25
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2-elect said: It is a shame that one who has only been in the faith for about 4 years has to correct all the leaders who have been in the faith for a great number of years.
BatKol: Mel Gibson could have used you on 'the Passion' instead of the
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 : 19:15:35
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Greetings and salutations in the name of the King,
Peace be unto the house.
Actually, dear brother, it is none of the choices, which you have given us. The last one is a syncopated version of the original.
Here is the Lawful Counsellor’s name in full: yôd-hê’-vâv-shiyn-vâv-‘ayin, Yahu'shua. Now, if we divide this into the two Hebrew words that make it up, we find the first half to be yôd-hê’-vâv and the second half is shiyn-vâv-‘ayin. Now, yôd-hê’-vâv, as you no doubt know is the true shortened version of YaHuWeH’s name, or YaHu. The second half of our Wonderful Counsellor’s name, shiyn-vâv-‘ayin, is the Hebrew word shûa’, which of course means to cry to, or halloo.
A primitive root; properly to be free; but used only causatively and reflexively to halloo (for help, that is, freedom from some trouble): - cry (aloud, out), shout.
The reason the disciples were told not to teach in this name is because the Father’s Set-Apart name had been forbidden since the Babylonian captivity [a Babylonian religious doctrine which made their state religion "catholic", i.e. universal], and here were these people running around and basically saying, "Halloo Yahweh" or "Call Upon [the Name of] Yahweh" for freedom, which of course is the deliverance spoken of in Yahu'el [Joel] 2:32 and reiterated in the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistle to Rome. This is akin to saying "Hail Yahweh", and again, as you no doubt know, there were those in Judæa that were saying they had no king but caesar, "Hail Caesar", just as we have people today who believe that only George is king [or president, if you prefer] and hence reject the Supreme Sovereign once more, or perhaps we should say, STILL! His name was a major part of the Good Tidings [gospel], which of course means literally, Lawful Counsel or Lawful Advice if you prefer.
Hope this is helpful.
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2-elect
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 : 20:07:25
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quote:
Originally posted by oneisraelite
[font=Comic Sans MS]Greetings and salutations in the name of the King,
Peace be unto the house.
Actually, dear brother, it is none of the choices, which you have given us. The last one is a syncopated version of the original.
Here is the Lawful Counsellor's name in full: yôd-hê?-vâv-shiyn-vâv-?ayin, Yahu'shua.
Shalom Again,
Is the following name Name spoken about in Joel: 2:32 or Acts 2:21?
yôd-hê-vâv-shiyn-vâv-ayin,
If it is, then I will use it to teach this is the Name spoken about in the Prophecy of Joel, which is the same as Peter and Paul quoted when they taught HaMashiach.
If it is not the Name spoken about through the prophecy, then why would you use it for the name to call on for salvation?
Processes of elimination is one way of getting rid of what is incorrect, and a way to find what is correct, correct?
Should the name to call on for salvation contain all of the following letters Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh ?
Shalom
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2-elect
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 : 20:16:03
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quote:
Originally posted by BatKol
2-elect said: It is a shame that one who has only been in the faith for about 4 years has to correct all the leaders who have been in the faith for a great number of years.
BatKol: Mel Gibson could have used you on 'the Passion' instead of the
team of Aramaic experts he employed for his movie. The name Yeshua was used though out the whole movie. Where did you study Hebrew?
Aramaic experts follow the same traditions of the Rabbinical Talmudist in not saying Yah in front of a name. They say Ye-shoo-a in the Movie. They say the "a" as we say the letter a in English. In Hebrew with vowel pointing, Yeshua is Ye-shoo-ah.
Is Yeshua the name spoken about in the prophecy of Joel, whom Peter quoted when He first preached HaMashiach?
Joel was Hebrew (My name Scholar) and told us what name would be used to call on for salvation. Joel did not give the name Ye-shoo-a.
Shalom
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His name is not Yahushua
