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BatKol
Advanced Member
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 Posted - 21 Dec 2003 : 14:54:46
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Rich: When we realize what is really being accomplished with FRN's, we see that we have no advantage in them (even if we were looking for advantage, and didn't care about unjust usury), but rather, we are valuing our labor in a commodity that steadily loses value.
BatKol: Yes, this is the crux. While we obtain an immediate benefit by having easy access to CONSUMER GOODS and SERVICES, as well as a PAYCHECK, in the long run there is no advantage in that one is at the mercy of the fluxuating market of inflations, price fixing, and most recently, the de-valuation of the FRN. While I can easily list all of the horrors of the FRN, I can also list all of the conveniences they provide. Their access to the CORP CONSUMER GOODS the big one.
Rich: Yes- this is the kind of stuff that drives families apart- but that is O-K, as the rejection of their religious feasts (Xmas, etc.)and other illicit practices forces all followers of Yahushua to be seperate and apart from all in the world. Are we willing to give up all for Him?
BatKol: I'll go one step past that. I have seen families who were even past xmas, easter and even home-schooled all their children only to fall apart when "the ego" sets in on the head of the house. Self-proclaimed, self-appointed priest-status while still CONTRACTING with the various FRANCHISES. Still continuing to CONTRACT labour with FRN, etc. I think living this contradiction and denying the contradiction exists comes with a big price. I salute anyone willing to drop the TAG and LICENSE but I question the true motive when they claim "melchezedek priest" status when they are not willing to loose all CONTRACTS (and even claim they have none while still paying on the ELECTRIC, INTERNET). Some go this route because of too many DUI convictions and massive INSURANCE bill. Or trying to escape the past.. I guess you will know them by their Fruits, no?
As for me I have been racking my brain on how to live w/o FRN's but, as Livefree and others have stated on this thread, it is very difficult. So for now I have to publicly admit that I accept these FRN marks and CONTRACTS and find a humble place to accept that, yes, I willfully use FRNs and enjoy the benefits of various CONTRACTS. When you admit to this I guess you don't get to pretend to be "out of the system" and "the annointed high priest". Having said that, I sincerely wish you well on your Quest.
PS - if there are any that are Really out of the SYSTEM and have some advice on this topic, please share with us how You live without the FRN marks. How do you overcome the convenience of them?
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Adam
Regular Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 03:20:35
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Our Heavenly Father removed me from the illusion of the "American way" number of years ago.
At that time I recognized that I no longer wanted to be apart of a system that perpetuates its many evils on the rest of the world in the name of “Christianity” and “Democracy”. I renounced my patriotism to America and began the process of extricating myself from its many entanglements.
My experience is that a FRN is no more harmful to a man, than trading squares of toilet paper for labor rendered.
It is not necessarily where you get your labor "tokens" that counts, but rather, where you spend them. A man reveals himself by how he distributes his money, not by what it looks like.
Jesus said it this way: "Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the wallet that defiles a man, but what comes out of the wallet, this defiles a man." Matt. 15:11
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BatKol
Advanced Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 10:35:24
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Adam: My experience is that a FRN is no more harmful to a man, than trading squares of toilet paper for labor rendered.
BatKol: Is toilet paper backed up by USURY contracts? No. Try using toilet paper for paying your POWER bill and see how far you get. You will have a decision to make at that point. DO you drop all of your high ideas about how evil USURY DEBT NOTES are and refuse to renew your CONTRACT or do you tell the CORP that you will not participate in the CONTRACT anymore and that you refuse to circulate and participate in the FRN SCHEME?
I have heard all sorts of justification for the FRN but are we willing to drop them because of what they are? I am not. Neither are you. We can reason it out anyway we want to fit our comfort level but we all know the FRN is the sum-total of all of the USUROUS activities of the CORP. Are the FRN's considered "clean" by the Bible's definition? No. Does it not say "touch not the unclean"? Yes. However, we do have them in our right hand and forehead. Adam, does not that POWER CONTRACT say that the signee is a RESIDENT? Dig out that power CONTRACT and read it and see what you are paying on. A CONTRACT that you abide by that clearly says you are all the things that this Website is against. I am with you in this. I use FRN's, POWER, etc. We all just look past the facts and rationalize our way around the problem.
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BatKol
Advanced Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 10:37:44
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Sorry I messed this up. It should read:
DO you drop all of your high ideas about how evil USURY DEBT NOTES and renew your CONTRACT or do you tell the CORP that you will not participate in the CONTRACT anymore and that you refuse to circulate and participate in the FRN SCHEME?
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 11:09:22
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On the one hand, we have an example of Yahushua using Roman coinage to pay a tax (and Roman coinage was just as bad as FRNs- being based on the gold standard established by a pagan system, rather than the true temple- and conoting emporer worship, etc.)
But, om the other hand, He did not base His life on the earning and trading of these coins, as most of us do.
IMHO, it is not so much a terrible thing to ever use an FRN- but the real problem is living within a system that forces us to have constant necessity to deal in these things.
My reliance on FRNs was greatly diminished when I moved from New York City to a very rural area. The aquisition of land, is, in my opinion, the first step towards freedom from such a system, as one can produce the necessities of life (clean food, heat, etc.) from the increase upon the land. And isn't that the very reason that the first tenet of communism is that no one shall have land? In places like the US and other socialist countries, one may "own" land, but one truly doesn't own it, as one must pay a constant rent to the government (property taxes), which keeps one a participant in the FRN system- and in most places in the US, our "private property" is so tightly regulated, that the government decrees what one can and can not do upon it- and one must contract for "permission" (permits, licenses, inspections...)to do most things. I live in an area that is still relatively free- i.e. no zoning or building codes, etc. and that is the precise reason that I chose the place where I now live- but it is just a matter of time- as just in the two years that I have lived here, such encroachments have already arrived in the next county. -And then there is still the property tax- although they are extremely low compared to the former place where I lived (where one virtually had to earn a whole living just to pay the thousands in property taxes), I'm sure it's just a matter of time till they are raised.
My next move is to a place where there are no property taxes on agricultural and residential land (outside the US)- as this is the only possible way that one can begin to extricate oneself from this system of compulsion, which they call "democracy" which has replaced the constitutional republic that our forefathers established, and that our fathers let slip out of their hands. (and that our politicians are seeking to impose on the entire world- notice, they dont bother the communist/socialist countries- but rather, the independent countries that have not participated in such schemes. They claim that forcing them to participate constitutes "freedom"- and by mindlessly using such words to convey the opposite meaning of what they really mean, our ignorant and brainwashed masses believe it!)
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BatKol
Advanced Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 11:49:47
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Popesquasher, I agree with you except the gold coin used by Yahushua was not COMMERCIAL PAPER. I checked with the FED and they admitted the FRN is considered COM PAPER because of it's nature. However, the FED LAWYER said, "we really like to consider it currency, but technically one could say that it is COM PAPER". Also, I agree that using the buy/sell measure of the FRN is also part and parcel with the problem. It is a tough nut to crack and I salute you for having a plan instead of trying to justify the FRN and WORK/HIRE CONTRACTS. I really do hope you get there.
You will be a first in my experience.
What is your opinion about the whole "Standing on the Land" concept. I have heard many preach it but nobody actually doing it. RENTING a nice warm, dry house is the route of choice for most. |
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Adam
Regular Member
Albania
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 11:53:01
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Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee. Mt. 17:27
The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: ... they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
The pharisees were excellent at inventing rules and regs, which prevented themselves from finding God and seeing Christ for who He was. They had their “convictions” but did not keep them themselves.
If a man truly believed that the FRN were wrong, he should simply stop using them. It is not difficult. Just stop. There are billions of folk around the world who do not use them.
One poor soul on this forum, who is suggesting that the peasants revolt against their oppressive government, said “Now, excuse me while I go look for a gun to buy!”
Did that person go and get a gun? Did they start their revolution?
Much of what a man (or woman) says is nothing but smoke and fluff, laying unnecessary burdens of the rest of society.
The FRN is strained at, while a person willingly sends his money to a government that oppresses not only him and his fellow countrymen, but with that money, slaughters men, women and children around the world if they do not bow the knee to its supreme commands.
Men listen, almost horrified, to the stories of Jews who were locked up, tortured, or killed during WWII. But they hardly consider that the same thing is being done in the name of Jesus to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Muslims in our own country and abroad.
One billion dollars per day is spent chasing down an old man in a cave, killing thousands of innocent mothers, grandmothers and children in the process. A billion dollars per day, representing the labors of the American people. Thousands of fathers and grandfathers have had their limbs shot or blown off by the lifeless, conciousless, American taxpayer. And yet, the evil is perceived to be a silly piece of paper with some green ink on it. Even if our "coin of the day" were not FRN's and we used gold instead, this principle of financial accountability would still apply.
for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
You try not to buy drivers liscenses, license plates, tags, electricity, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: judgment (being responsible for how your money is spent), mercy (on those oppressed peoples in foreign countries whom the American munitions kill) and faith (in the true Christ Spirit): These ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
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Adam
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 12:36:11
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 14:00:21
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Hi, BatKol,
Thanks again for the encouragement and the well wishes!
If by "Standing on the land" you mean the legal philosophy advanced by some as a means of circumventing Babylons laws, I consider it in the same venue as tax protest schemes and CAPITOL letter philosophy- just another attempt to use the letter of Babylons laws to try and obtain freedom. It just doesn't work. One could spend their entire life doing nothing but legal research and wrangling in the courts, and engaging in subterfuge, and still, any gains from such things would be small, and their time would be spent in front of unjust judges, trying to obtain to favor from the very system that oppresses them, and using (in many cases)ways and means that are often just as unjust and dishonest as those of the system which they say they are fighting. I have even seen some who try and usurp land that they have no right to, as their own.
Even if the FRN is commercial paper- it may be currency- but it is not money. There may be differences between an FRN and a Roman coin, but IMHO they ammount to largely the same thing- a system of exchange rooted in an unjust and pagan system- as opposed to a standard of exchange based on an unchanging weight, sanctified by Gods' standards.
Personally, I think one can deal with FRNs on a limited basis, without having to enter into contracts or participate in usury. If I grow some beans, and sell them, receiving FRNs from the buyer, and then use the FRNs to purchase something, I have not entered into a contract.
If I spend my life in pursuit of these FRNs, trading my time and labor for them, and living my life using them to obtain the things from man which I should be relying upon God for- and participating in socialistic and usurous schemes, then I have a problem!
And when we live in a place where it becomes a necessity of life to have FRNs to trade, that worries me.
I do believe that there are many peasants around the world who live without participating in such a system, by subsistence farming. It may be unusual and impossible in our current culture, but it is still practiced in many places. I dont see it as such a big thing to attain- it is just a matter of living in a place where one is free to do so- and unfortunately, America is no longer such a place.
I have long craved that kind of life- as the corporate conveniences just dont satisfy me. There is nothing like the warmth from a fire on a cold day, from a log you cut yourself. Real fire- as opposed to hot air that you buy. Or cooking with said fire- and eatring food that came from your own garden- or sitting on furniture that you made from what used to be a tree. We have become so accustomed to the conveniences- but when it comes right down to it, we are missing so much by living with these things as opposed to the things God gave to us to use for free.
Just my two "cents"!
May you also find blessing, prosperity and goodness in your pursuit of honest living!
Rich.
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Adam:
I haven't forgotten about you- will try and answer your email tonight- I was greatly encouraged by it, and your success!
Rich
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Livefree
Advanced Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 14:11:25
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PopeSquasher wrote: quote:
There is nothing like the warmth from a fire on a cold day, from a log you cut yourself. Real fire- as opposed to hot air that you buy. Or cooking with said fire- and eating food that came from your own garden- or sitting on furniture that you made from what used to be a tree.
We have become so accustomed to the conveniences- but when it comes right down to it, we are missing so much by living with these things as opposed to the things God gave to us to use for free.
Yep, they took all the challenges of life away from us. I've never known that kind of life, but it sure sounds good to me.  |
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Manuel
Advanced Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 20:04:57
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Greetings In His name, Yahshua,
"For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?" This reminds Us of what has been, and continues to be. There is nothing new under His Tree of knowledge which is not revealed when His fiery eyes brightens that burning bush. His Heavens gives us the powers needed to sustain life, through fire, water and winds. Without His breath of life, there is nothing but man-made controlling devices, such as dead rules, codes, regulations and a manner of artificial inventions.
The answer comes through understanding His command to break the yoke of those which will not control His Powers. For He Is. In a cold day, does not His sun warm you? When thirsty, does not His waters cleanse you? Does not His winds allow the vessels to move about?
Dios En Vosotros,
Manuel
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 20:20:19
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Livefree,
I've never known that sort of life fully either- I've just caught enough glimpses of it to know how good it can be. They portray such a lifestyle as "backward" and hard and uncomfortable- but from what I've seen, it is just the oppossite. Look at the Amish- they're very happy people.
My neighbor has this wonderful old out-house (he has indoor plumbing as well- just uses the out-house when he has BBQ's etc.)- In my opinion, using an out-house is such a wonderful sensory experience, it makes going to the bathroom even fun! This is all stuff we are missing out on- instead, spending our lives toiling at worthless occupations, so we can defecate indoors.
Like Manuel so aptly stated, it's either live under mans laws in mans environment- or live by Gods laws, in Gods wonderful creation. The choice is so clear once we overcome the lies that we have bought into.
Even in the little things: Now that I have a private place of my own, I have taken to praying outdoors. I've been in the Faith for 19 years now, but I feel as if my prayer life has just begun! On days that I have to pray indoors, I find it difficult now. What a difference!
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Surveyor
Regular Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 20:45:27
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FRN’s are just as good as gold in the corporate system of the United States and just the use of the FRN cannot bind anyone to that system. Either gold or FRN’s will fully satisfy the purchase price or debt to any seller or creditor within that system. Whether gold or FRN’s you will not obtain a greater interest or title in the thing purchased or conveyed than the seller has to sale even if you are a free man. But you can’t take property out of the system if you buy it from a person holding only a legal title no matter what you pay with because someone else holds the true and lawful title.
FRN’s are notes. They are a direct obligation of the corporate United States. They are backed with bonds secured by the labor of those that have bound themselves to this system primarily with the SSN. These notes are redeemable by the holder at any certain time from the catalogued goods and services controled within the storehouses of this system at a value set by whatever the market price happens to be at the time of the transaction. This fluctuating standard is what some say makes this an evil system. But gold as a medium of exchange will serve you no better within the system whether you use it to pay a debt or as a standard because it is a commodity whose value is regulated by the same economic controls.
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 21:05:14
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Popesquasher said: If I spend my life in pursuit of these FRNs, trading my time and labor for them, and living my life using them to obtain the things from man which I should be relying upon God for- and participating in socialistic and usurous schemes, then I have a problem!
And when we live in a place where it becomes a necessity of life to have FRNs to trade, that worries me.
BatKol: Yes, this is the problem. I see it much the same, however, I have not been able to come up with a plan to replace this type of FRN living. I, like many, have to work almost five days a week, ironically, for the FRNs to buy the very things you mentioned above. I also agree with you on the unequal weights and measures. Sure one can even deal in gold by the weight but, as you so clearly pointed out, it is the pricing and selling our labour that keeps us tied. The FRN is the #1 tool for this. A man I have much respect for broke it down like this for me: You are wasting your time if you drop your LICENSE and TAG only to continue to price your labour. You are wise in wanting to go some place where you can be free to farm and enjoy life. I think you may also be right in thinking on leaving the US. |
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 22:29:02
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BatKol wrote: >>>>I have not been able to come up with a plan to replace this type of FRN living. I, like many, have to work almost five days a week, ironically, for the FRNs to buy the very things you mentioned above<<<<<
Yes- that is very true. It's a vicious cycle. It seems like it took me forever to get out of NY- it was so expensive just to live- even very modestly, -let alone save money to buy a few acres. Living in a studio apartment and sleeping on the floor for 8 years wasn't what delivered me though (ah, yes, the "luxury" of city life within the system!), but I truly believe it was my seeking of His kingdom first + prayer, that caused me to be delivered truly miraculously, when all seemed hopeless, after having tried for many years to escape this cycle. And it seems that the more time progresses, the harder it gets to escape.- every year, more and more of ones wages is being consumed by more and more taxes and compulsory "necessities".
>>>>Sure one can even deal in gold by the weight but, as you so clearly pointed out, it is the pricing and selling our labour that keeps us tied.<<<<
Not that I think the selling of our labor is wrong. When it's all we have, there is nothing inherently immoral about it- the problem is, when we seek this as a lifelong pursuit- rather than as a temporary fix. And when we esteem it above seeking increase through the blessings of God.
When it comes to gold, I have a somewhat unique viewpoint. I don't think that gold is much better than FRNs. The real value of gold in the Biblical economy, was that it was based on an unchanging standard, established by God, and standardized by the Temple, whereas today, the very value of gold fluctuates, and there really is no gold standard, because even if one pays with gold, the value of an item or service is still regulated by its' worth in dollars.
The only way another means of exchange would be free from the influence of the FRN, would be if all parties involved in trading had no ties to the FRN or the national economy.
Example: I want to trade you a mohair pelt for 40 bales of hay. Your hay is worth $2.00 a bale. If you harvest the hay with a tractor, and the price of fuel goes up, you might come and say to me that now I will only be able to get 30 bales of hay, because your expenses have increased, while the price of mohair on the government subsidized market has stayed the same- so my product has lost value, and your product has gained value- yet you realize no increase in this gain, because your expenses increased- the gain is only relative to my product.
Now, on the other hand, if you are harvesting the hay with draft horses, who live off of the grass that grows on your land, and thus, have no ties to the "national" economy, and consider 40 bales of hay a fair trade for a mohair pelt, we can trade at that rate for 50 years, without changing, because over the course of those 50 years, your horses still eat the same grass that grows every year, and have babies that replace the horses as they get older, so your expenses never change- and the government subsidized mohair market is of no concern to me, since I do not participate in it- so, if mohair triples in price over the course of a few years, it would not effect our trading, unless I suddenly decided to start selling my mohair for FRNs (!). Otherwise, all things remain constant- the same goat eats the same grass to produce the same mohair today that he did 50 years ago.
This is the beauty and simplicity and equity of Gods system! It is a shame that man has done such a good job of erradicating that system, and prejudicing everyone against it- making them think that they are better off as slaves who serve mans system.
If we all only had a way to drop out of this system entirely, immediately! At least, we can still do it gradually.
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
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Posted - 22 Dec 2003 : 22:42:23
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PS. Just to make my point clear- in the example above with the mohair and the hay:
It matters not whether we trade in FRNs, gold or hay- but what does matter, is if we participate in the wordly economy. Once we become dependent on one of their commodities, it has a domino effect that essentially translates the values of that economy to our dealings, even if we dont use their means of exchange. See?
"Thy Word is Truth"
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BatKol
Advanced Member
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Posted - 23 Dec 2003 : 08:50:53
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So basically I see that we all might agree on this point. Beyond FRNs, Gold, whatever... it is "TOKEN TRADING" that is at the root of the BEAST SYSTEM. FRNs, LICENSES, CONTRACTS, are all symptoms of "TOKEN TRADING" created to make this type of ACTIVITY easy and convenient. SO then I would say this fits in with the original topic.. TOKENS (in whatever form) could be considered the MARK and NAME/NUMBER could be considered BANKING (in it's various forms). May not be able to buy or sell with out these two things. What I find frustrating is that dropping the BANKING is not enough. TOKENS as well must be dropped because the scripture says MARK or NAME/NUMBER. Both have got to go to be considered "Clean" by the Bible's definition.
Popesquasher said: It matters not whether we trade in FRNs, gold or hay- but what does matter, is if we participate in the wordly economy. Once we become dependent on one of their commodities, it has a domino effect that essentially translates the values of that economy to our dealings, even if we dont use their means of exchange. See?
BatKol: Yes. I see your point clearly. Participating in the ECONOMY requires TOKENS and a buy/sell behaviour.
Surveyor said: FRN’s are notes. They are a direct obligation of the corporate United States. They are backed with bonds secured by the labor of those that have bound themselves to this system primarily with the SSN. These notes are redeemable by the holder at any certain time from the catalogued goods and services controled within the storehouses of this system at a value set by whatever the market price happens to be at the time of the transaction. This fluctuating standard is what some say makes this an evil system. But gold as a medium of exchange will serve you no better within the system whether you use it to pay a debt or as a standard because it is a commodity whose value is regulated by the same economic controls.
BatKol: Excellent and strait to the point. You spell out the reality quite well with your comments about redeeming the NOTES for GOODS and SERVICES cataloged within the CORP. Gotta have a TICKET (TOKEN) to enter the FUNHOUSE in this CORP CARNIVAL.
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
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Posted - 23 Dec 2003 : 11:38:26
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This truly has been encouraging! I've come to believe unity is a rare thing- especially whyen it comes to accepting Biblical truth and the reality of the society in which we presently sojourn.
Blessings all!
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Manuel
Advanced Member
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Posted - 23 Dec 2003 : 15:01:41
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Greetings In His name, Yahshua,
How foolish are those which CONstantly try to deceive those which realize what this world is all about... from remedies which cannot alter the entrenched merchants. They are what they are, and using their ways make you as blind as they, who are the pigs among the hogs which fiddle around while deceiving others on their self-CONcocted images of release from those whom oppress you.
I tell you... this is the reason there are wicked rulers, for the order of wicked rulers come from wicked and blind followers.
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BatKol
Advanced Member
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Posted - 23 Dec 2003 : 15:17:38
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Popesquasher said: This truly has been encouraging! I've come to believe unity is a rare thing- especially whyen it comes to accepting Biblical truth and the reality of the society in which we presently sojourn.
BatKol: It is nice to agree but the problem for me still remains. I circulate FRNs and accept these MARKS and have CONTRACTS. A realistic way has not been revealed to me how to overcome this.
Nor have I seen anyone yet who has.. pricing one's labour and participating in the ECONOMY is a very hard addiction to break. I am an addict in this area accepting these MARKS. |
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Mark of beast - 666 - Revelation 13:15-18
