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Livefree
Advanced Member
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 Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 22:09:41
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"The CONTRACTS that back up the FALSE SCRIP are very LEGAL (down to the very signature, no doubt)."
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Well, I'd like to see, "down to the very signature", that CONTRACT, because I don't recall ever signing it. Someone must have put it there without my knowledge, and how LEGAL is that?
"In a nutshell the FED told me point blank that CONTRACTS have replaced Gold as back up."
Well, they are LYING, because if FRNs are back by gold we should be able to redeem them for gold at any Federal Reserve bank. But we can't do that anymore, therefore the CONTRACT is a LIE.
The following is from the book "Organic Sovereign American Freeman Vol II":
I believe the benefit being used is that we have been given the PRIVILEGE of discharging debt with limited liablity, instead of paying a debt. When we PAY a debt we give substance for substance. If I buy a quaret of milk with a silver dollar, that dollar bought the milk, and the MILK BOUGHT THE DOLLAR subtance for substance. But if I use an FRN to buy the milk, I have not PAID for it. There is no substance in a Federal Reserve Note. It is WORTHLESS PAPER given the exchange for something of substantive value. Therefore, Congress offers US this BENEFIT:
Debt money, created by the federal United States, can be spent all over the continental united States. It will be legal tender for all debts, public and private, and the limited liablity is that you cannot be sued for not paying your debts. So now they have said, "We're going to help you out, and you can just discharge your debts instead of paying your debts." When we use this "colorable" money to dishcharge our debts, we cannot use a Common Law court. We can only use a "colorable" court. We are completely under the jurisdiction of the UCC--we are using nonredeemable negotiable instruments and we are discharging debts rather than PAYING debt.
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The thing is, we cannot discharge things such as "rent", "food", "clothing", "telephone" "electric", "gasoline "unless we put it on our credit card and we can only discharge our credit card debts ONCE, not repeatedly.
More later...
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 22:28:16
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Livefree you said:
Well, I'd like to see, "down to the very signature", that CONTRACT, because I don't recall ever signing it. Someone must have put it there without my knowledge, and how LEGAL is that?
BK: No. You mis-understand me. I did not say you signed anything. CONTRACTS procured by the US CORP are what back the SCRIP. These CONTRACTS consist of the day to day business of the CORP. I would venture to say SS# CONTRACTS are included in this "portfolio" just as REAL ESTATE CONTRACTS are most likely included. Any and all CHATTEL...I am not saying any CONTRACTS you sign, I am saying the sum-total of all CONTRACTS collected by the US CORP. The point I was trying to make is whoever uses the SCRIP is benefiting from this scheme. Not that "they" made you sign any CONTRACTS..
"In a nutshell the FED told me point blank that CONTRACTS have replaced Gold as back up."
Well, they are LYING, because if FRNs are back by gold we should be able to redeem them for gold at any Federal Reserve bank. But we can't do that anymore, therefore the CONTRACT is a LIE.
BK: Dude, again, I did not say SCRIP is backed by Gold. I said that CONTRACTS have replaced Gold as the backing. What I was saying with "down to the very signature" is the signature of MRS. JONES down the street on her SS# CONTRACT,
MR. EDWARD'S signature on his IRS 1040 form, the signature of MRS. SMITH'S
REAL ESTATE DEED. The signatures on BANK ACCOUNTS.. All of these have a TRADE value in this FICTIONAL world....Get it? These, and much more, are what back the SCRIP you and I use. That is the whole point I was trying to make. We are benefiting on this scheme when we use the SCRIP...
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Livefree
Advanced Member
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Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 22:42:02
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By the way, I'm not a dude. I'm a dudette. :-)
"You" may be benefiting when you use the SCRIP, but "I" am not. What benefit is there to using fake SCRIP? In what way do you or I benefit from this SCRIP?
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Livefree
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 23:06:24
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"In a nutshell the FED told me point blank that CONTRACTS have replaced Gold as back up."
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So what IS backing the CONTRACT?
Could it be that the ONLY thing backing the CONTRACT is our AGREEMENT?
We live in a world of AGREEMENT. That IS, an "UNCONSCIOUS" world of AGREEMENT. |
Edited by - Livefree on 05 Dec 2003 23:16:42 |
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 00:10:52
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Sorry Dudette!
You said: "You" may be benefiting when you use the SCRIP, but "I" am not. What benefit is there to using fake SCRIP? In what way do you or I benefit from this SCRIP?
BK: When the cashier accepts the SCRIP in exchange for whatever it is you are purchasing (anything from your RENT to a cheeseburger, etc) you, me or whoever
is using it is benefiting by the scheme of FAKE SCRIP. What is beneficial to you and I is the fact that, even though the SCRIP is bogus in Reality, we still TRADE with it, all the while proclaiming the "evilness" of it. On the obverse you would NOT benefit if you tried to pay your rent with monopoly money even though it too is not anymore Real Money that the SCRIP.
You said:
So what IS backing the CONTRACT?
BK: Ultimately, performance between the two parties of the CONTRACT. When MR. SMITH signs his DEED and registers it with the CORP, the CORP has equired EQUITY. MR. SMITH pays IRS tax... another performing CONTRACT. A large multi-National CORP purchases a fleet of VEHICLES and registers every one with the US CORP.. more assets for the US CORP... MR & MRS SCOTT apply for a SS# for thier new born baby... more assets for the US CORP. These various contracts are what back the SCRIP.
You said: Could it be that the ONLY thing backing the CONTRACT is our AGREEMENT?
BK: You don't have to agree to anything. It is the CONTRACTS of the allegorical MR. SMITH's (FICTIONS) of the world that back up the SCRIP.
Billy Bondservant; Jones (who is so proud of "having no marks") takes that same SCRIP and goes and pays his RENTAL AGREEMENT. Or goes to FOOD CORP and feeds his family. Or pays on the POWER CONTRACT he swears he does not have... or negotiates his labour in the ECONOMY with the SCRIP. All thanks to those LEGAL FICTIONS who engage in the CONTRACTS which in turn back the SCRIP Billy Bondservant; Jones is benefiting from.
Yes, Billy agrees to use the SCRIP knowing full well that it is the foundation of the very thing he detests (or rather claims to.. I have not met anybody personally who detests the SCRIP so much as to not enjoy it's benefits.. I am not saying they do not exist.. I am just saying I have not met them) |
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Livefree
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 00:58:05
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"You don't have to agree to anything".
Right now everyone agrees to the SCRIP. If they did not there would be no SCRIP, Do you think that if people knew the pros and cons of using SCRIP over gold, they would still choose SCRIP?
"(I have not met anybody personally who detests the SCRIP so much as to not enjoy it's benefits.. I am not saying they do not exist.. I am just saying I have not met them)"
I have never met anyone who detests the SCRIP so much either, but why do you think that is? Do you think people "prefer" SCRIP over gold and silver? |
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 08:29:08
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Livefree, I meant "you" don't have to be a direct party to the CONTRACTS that back up the SCRIP to enjoy the benefits that the SCRIP provides. Of course we all agree after the fact to use and benefit from the scheme. These "bondservant" lists have all sorts of justifications for why it is OK to participate in the SCRIP scheme. Why it is OK to proclaim to the world that ALL CAPS are the mark while engaging in ALL CAPS for POWER, INTERNET? And if you are able to appear "pious" enough to your friends or "disciples" you may be able to get them to stand surity for your CONTRACTUAL wants and needs (oh, you poor martyr)... who cares about "causing your brother to sin"! The Talmud calls these type of people the "Shabbos Goy" which allows a Jew to indirectly engage in "forbidden" activities.
Why do we use the SCRIP in our metaphorical "right hand (action) and forehead (pre-meditated thought)" ? Because that is what those who have what we want demand payment in. Because we may not buy or sell with out them. All our high ideas go out the window when our wants come in.. and with them comes some of the most creative justifications.. After all, how would we be able to make use of that POWER CONTRACT or the DEPT OF DEFENSE INTERNET CONTRACT. These are delicious luxuries.. Just like the CORP FOOD OUTLETS. How will I perform my end of the monthly RENTAL AGREEMENT?? I'd have "no place to lay my head" with out my RENTAL house! As for SCRIP... what better medium to negotiate your labour with? The ECONOMY operates with SCRIP not sea shells. Don't bother me with the DEBT NOTE LEGAL TENDER fine print, I have got BILLS.
Do I look good in my hair shirt?
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 08:37:29
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| P.S. I stand GUILTY of having used friends and family as my own "Shabbos Goy" when I was studying these issues. In all, it made me feel worse than actually signing my own name.. |
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Livefree
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 13:27:43
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So what do you suggest we do? Do we do what Ramana, Buddha or Mahavira, did 3,000 years ago: Pack your bags and head for the hills? I don't think I'd survive very long, having lived a life of luxury: INTERNET, CORP FOOD OUTLETS, PAYING RENT, J.O.B., VEHICLE, ETC. ETC. Why would I want to lose any of that? |
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 16:23:58
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What to do? Self Inquiry. Enoch knew about Vihangam Marg. All you have learned about THE FICTION is a huge plus... but as the old saying goes, "the map is not the territory"..
Enjoy |
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Adam
Regular Member
Albania
33 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2003 : 21:58:14
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The Mark of The Beast Applied -
Then I saw another beast (USA) come up out of the earth (wilderness). He had two horns like those of a lamb (appeared to be peaceful), and he spoke with the voice of a dragon (used force to achieve its goals). He did astounding miracles, such as making fire flash down to earth from heaven (Tomahawk and Hellfire missiles, etc.) while everyone was watching (on their TV’s).
All the world marveled at this miracle and followed the beast in awe. They worshiped the dragon for giving the beast such power, and they worshiped the beast. "Is there anyone as great as the beast?" they exclaimed. "Who is able to fight against him?"
And with all the miracles (military technology) he was allowed to perform, he deceived all the people who belong to this world. He ordered the people of the world to make a great representation of the first beast. Then this civil power commanded that anyone refusing to worship this beast, must die (like those in Afghanistan & Iraq).
He required everyone – great and small, rich and poor, slave and free – to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead (a sign of allegiance) . And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark, which was either the name of the beast or the number representing his name. (One cannot work, unless he bows down to the policies decreed by the United States). Revelation 13 - Selected verses
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A directive from Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz limits bidders on those 26 contracts to firms from the United States, Iraq, their coalition partners and other countries which have sent troops to Iraq.
The ruling bars companies from U.S. allies such as France, Germany and Canada from bidding on the contracts because their governments opposed the American-led war that ousted Saddam Hussein's regime.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105305,00.html
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He Came In The Clouds www.travesser.com |
Edited by - Adam on 22 Dec 2003 12:22:39 |
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2003 : 16:56:14
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Greetings In His name, Yahshua.
Adam,
Michael kindles the fire which needs to be primed on this cold earth.
Too many go off on the things of this world, but he stays a steady course. While it is good to see and hear, in order to reprove and edify the ways of this world, Michael always brings the hypocracies to an end.
In Him,
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Robert-James
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2003 : 16:06:10
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Greetings all. Just what is the benefit of using FRN's? There is none. They bind future generations into perpetual debt.
The FRN's come into existance through borrowing them, either by GOVT. or PERSONS...always at interest. This is the sin, usury. It takes neither an ALL CAP name or ss# to pass FRN's. We all have the ability to contract with each other. Ordering a meal at a restaurant is a contract, but not an unLawful contract. Only one with a talmudic mind-set would even think FRN use is a contract with the GOVT. Is a Scottish National, visiting here, with a pocketfull of FRN's now a slave of the GOVT? If one answers yes, he is thinking as the talmudists do. And we know, who they serve. |
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Adam
Regular Member
Albania
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Posted - 16 Dec 2003 : 10:26:03
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Indeed Manuel,
The fire is burning, but it will only get hotter until the whole earth is ablaze in one giant conflagration.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mt 13:40
...when the Lord appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels, in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don't know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus. 2 Thes. 1:7,8
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Edited by - Adam on 22 Dec 2003 12:23:15 |
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 16 Dec 2003 : 15:39:17
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Yes, indeed Adam,
His Grace be upon you and your love ones.
May we meet face to face soon.
Dios En Vosotros,
Manuel
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Robert-James
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 16 Dec 2003 : 15:43:07
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Greetings,
the word "cloud", represents...inner thoughts. and to you that look for Him, shall He appear a second time....
Those that deny messiah Yahushua is here, in the flesh, are not of the annointed One's. i.e., in English, they are called anti-christs.
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 16 Dec 2003 : 20:01:16
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Greetings Robert-James,
Thank you for your many teachings throughout the years, and all In His name, Yahshua.
Manuel |
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 06:41:22
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Robert-James said: Greetings all. Just what is the benefit of using FRN's? There is none.
BatKol: None? Don't be so naive...How about the benefit you get from their working when you go to the CORP STORES? Try going to the gas station on your way to WORK and use sea shells and you will see the benefit FRN's provide. How about trying to make good on that DEPT of DEFENSE INTERNET CONTRACT? Try sea shells and you will quickly see the benefit of the FRN.. Your monthly POWER CONTRACT specifically states you are to comply with FRNs. You don't need to sign a CONTRACT to enjoy the benefit of an FRN.. you just need faith (and the CONTRACTING power of the CORP) that they will get you what you want!
Robert-James: Only one with a talmudic mind-set would even think FRN use is a contract with the GOVT. Is a Scottish National, visiting here, with a pocketfull of FRN's now a slave of the GOVT?
BatKol: I looked back through the posts and nobody said the FRN is itself a contract.. They are backed up by CONTRACTS, USURY instead of Gold... You benefit off of these collective CONTRACTS when you use the FRN... No A Scottish National would not be a slave if he came here using FRN's,, He would definately be benefiting from the FRN's purchasing power... Slave or Free, right?
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Surveyor
Regular Member
USA
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Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 07:23:08
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| What is the nature of the benefit. FRN's are still a means of exchange. Whether based on faith or substance they still represent someones labor. If it is my own labor that they represent and the one accepting the FRN's is satisfied with the exchange then there is a mutual benefit. To begin with, isn't this benefit a purpose for an exchange. |
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BatKol
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 07:55:15
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Robert-James said: The FRN's come into existance through borrowing them, either by GOVT. or PERSONS...always at interest. This is the sin, usury.
BatKol: Yes, Here we agree. I would like to add, however, that the FRN goes beyond USURY and also includes all PROPERTY as well (albeit, obtained by USURY). This PROPERTY includeas RESIDENTS who have EQUITY to the CORP as DUTY BEARING CONSUMER UNITS. All of these THINGS back up the FRN and give it the PURCHASING power we all readily enjoy.
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Mark of beast - 666 - Revelation 13:15-18
