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Oneisraelite
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 Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 07:51:58
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Nine days later, on the tenth day of Ethaniym, we celebrate the Day of Atonement (in Biblical Heb., yom kippuriym). It is the day we fully remember the treasonous (adulterous) way we have treated our Creator, the Supreme Suveran of our nation, and with this remembrance we have contrite and humble hearts, the perfect sacrifice in the eyes of Yahuwah.
By the way, we thought we might want to mention that our Scripture makes no mention of a fast (tsome) on this day. This is something that many (not all) do to be seen of men, contrary to our Prime Minister's instructions. (See Matt 6:16-18)
And Yahuwah spoke to Mosheh saying, Also, on the tenth of this seventh month shall be a day of atonement; there shall be a holy gathering [a meeting of the set apart ones], and you shall humble your souls and shall bring a fire offering to Yahuwah. And you shall do no business[1] in this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to atone for you before Yahuwah your 'Elohiym.
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[1] (KJV) And ye shall do no work in that same day...
Work is from the Ibriy word melakah (H4399), the same word that is employed in the Fourth Commandment of Yahuwah, which BDB defines as 1) occupation, work, business. And one of Noah Webster's (c. 1828) definitions for work is 5. To operate; to carry on business; to be customarily engaged or employed in. Similarly, one of Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary definitions for work is, the labor by which a person earns his livlihood.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 05:37:40
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...and you shall humble your souls...
HUMBLE, v.t. ...To humble one's self, to repent; to afflict one's self for sin; to make contrite [broken-hearted (having the spirits depressed or crushed by grief or despair)...; deeply affected with grief and sorrow for having offended Yahuwah; penitent (suffering pain or sorrow of heart on account of sins, crimes or offenses...sincerely affected by a sense of guilt resolving on amendment of life)]
REPENT, v.i. ...5. In theology, to sorrow or be pained for sin, as a violation of Yahuwah's holy law, a dishonor to his character and government, and the foulest ingratitude to a Being of infinite benevolence.
Yasha'yahu 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, The mighty 'el, The everlasting chief, the prince of completeness. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of Dawid, and upon his kingdom, to errect it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from this time even unto eternity. The zeal of Yahuwah of hosts will perform this.
The name of Yahuwah's seventh month, Ethaniym, comes from the root word eythan [H386] which James Strong's Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary tells us means: From an unused root (meaning to continue); permanence; hence (concretely) permanent; specifically a chieftain
"...(concretely) permanent...specifically chieftain", as in ad ab, everlasting chief.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 06:29:32
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HOLIDAY. [See Holyday.] – Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
HOL'YDAY, n. A day set apart [holy] for commemorating some important event in history; a festival intended to celebrate some event deemed auspicious to the welfare of a nation… (Ibid.)
And Webster’s 1988 New World Dictionary of American English, Third College Edition, page 643, adds this, “4 a day set aside [holy = set apart] by law or custom for the suspension of business, usually in commemoration of some event”.
When we become citizens of the Kingdom of Yahuwah, also called the commonwealth of Yisra’el, we celebrate the holydays that are deemed, by our Supreme Suveran, Yahuwah, to be auspicious to the welfare of our nation, the house of Yisra’el.
AUSPI'CIOUS, a. [See auspice.] 1. Having omens of success, or favorable appearances… 2. Prosperous; fortunate… 3. Favorable; kind; propitious… - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
The holyday following the Day of Atonement is the last holyday of the revolution [year]; it is called, among other things, the Festival of Booths, more commonly known as the Feast of Tabernacles, the first day of which is on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, called Ethaniym. It is a festival lasting seven days with the day following it, i.e. the eighth day, being a Sabbath, the mark of completion.
So what is so auspicious about this day that the citizens of the commonwealth of Yisra’el* should keep it as a custom throughout all their generations? As with its first-month counterpart, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, it is intended to remind us of the graciousness that Yahuwah, our Supreme Suveran, has shown us in redeeming us out of double-straits, i.e. out of the house of bondage, which we sold ourselves into, and for allowing us to become members of His nation (household), the commonwealth of Yisra’el.
The Festival of Booths/Feast of Tabernacles is also intended to remind present and future generations of those who have chosen to come out of bondage and become members of Yahuwah’s body politic, how difficult it was, after straying so far from The Way, in the hope that we never make that error again.
Yahuwah hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
* The commonwealth of Yisra’el should never be confused with the man-made STATE OF ISRAEL.
Obviously, anyone can choose to celebrate the Festival of Booths, and many do, the Jews and those which say they are Jews being foremost, but truth be known, it is, according to the Set Apart Scripture, only intended for the subjects of the commonwealth of Yisra’el, and those who choose to sojourn among them, not the citizens of other states.
And Yahuwah spoke unto Mosheh saying, Speak unto the children [H1121] of Yisra’el[1], saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto Yahuwah.
James Strong’s Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary states that the synonyms for the Ibriy word ben [H1121], translated here as children, are, son, builder, grandson, subject, nation, quality, condition, etc.. And Brown-Driver-Briggs’ Hebrew Lexicon gives, among others, these supporting definitions, a member of a group, children (plural – male and female), people (of a nation) (plural) and a member of a guild, order, class.
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[1] Speak unto the children of Israel is a phrase which is used thirty-two times in the King James Version of the Scripture and the phrase children of Yisra'el is used five hundred and eighty-nine times. Though in the Old Testament/Covenant Yisra'el may have meant the progeny of a man called Ya'acob/Yisra'el [Jacob/Israel], in the New Testament/Covenant the term Yisra'el was expanded to mean more than this.
That at that time ye were without the Messiah, being aliens from the commonwealth [G4174] of Yisra'el, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without Yahuwah in the arrangement...
Commonwealth [G4174] was translated from the Greek word politeia, which James Strong in his Greek Dictionary tells us means ("polity"), citizenship, and/or community. Joseph Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defines politeia as, 1) the administration of civil affairs; 2) a state or commonwealth; 3) citizenship, the rights of a citizen. Here for the edification of the polity of Yisra'el is one of Noah Webster's definitions for the word polity...
1. The constitution or general fundamental principles of government of any class of citizens, considered in an appropriate character, or as a subordinate state.
...and community.
2. A society of people, having common rights and privileges, or common interests, civil, political or ecclesiastical; or living under the same laws and regulations. This word may signify a commonwealth or state, a body politic, or a particular [peculiar] society or order of men within a state, as a community of monks...
Lights, bells and whistles may have been seen and heard by some who read the bolded/underlined portion of that last definition!
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 08:20:58
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SOCI'ETY, n. [L. societas, from socius, a companion. See Sociable.] 1. The union of a number of rational beings; or a number of persons united, either for a temporary or permanent purpose. - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language [Emphasis added]
So, would the society known as the commonwealth of Yisra'el be "the union of a number of rational beings" or would it be "a number of persons united"?
Let us contemplate that one for a moment in time!
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that Yahuwah is no respecter of persons...
The law of persons is the law of status or condition. - American Law and Procedure, Vol 13, page 137, 1910
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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kevin
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Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 11:17:24
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This may be out of context at first look.
what was Paul talking about when he wrote to the galations saying Oh you silly bretheren have you forgotten already, How quickly you return to codes statutes special days and .
I dont know all the chapter and line numbers put on some things men wrote long ago but I do know they were written for our example.
How hard it is for men to live by hearing the shepards voice.
When the shepard calls the sheep don't argue about what he is saying, they just go.
They only argue cuz their ears are plugged,
Well, not really their ears but we all hear voices inside of us,
not really even voices but
urgings, aspirations...
We all agree its at times difficult to see through this smokey glass.
but when we don't see the same thing somethings is out of place.
There was a movie once
about a lawyer in court the judge called him out of order
the lawyer replied in a strong way the whole damn trial is out of order/
Men try to be cute, mabye even sly, like the serpent but hes been around a long while.
Brothers.
The road to the kingdom is littered with bodies,
don't forget them as you make your transfer,
let the dead bury the dead you say?
I agree but those bodies aint dead.
but I too am looking and seeing under a strong delusion .
used to be see how they love one another?
nowadays it much more acceptable to give the the middle finger of fellowship .
only in a loveing;) well worded way.
if we dont beat our own swords into plowshares some one else will,
and also be taken away.
it maks it hard for a man under delusion coming out of a system
and the inhabatans or the other system are all sayin hey over here,
no over her,e no not there , in here.
come on hurry up get in here or yer gonna die,
no wait dont go in there!!!!
?????
well,
I pray you two sons will get it together and you other sons involved in this family squabble
your hurting each other
you are crucifying Yehushuah ,
Jesus, Iesous, Master, Saviour,
WHatever He has re vealed Himself to you as.
This message is also reetorical( you know the definition better than I ;))
I just noticed this name
ECC Forum and Fellowship
does ECC in all CAPS make it a fiction?
is Fellowship more than a Forum,
didnt the Roaman have a Forum and the Ecclesiastic Commonwealth Community have fellowship
not fellowship the noum but fellowship the verb.
men love the forum but struggle with the fellowship.
I do Love you brothers though quite alot actualy
and Ya'll have so much to share ,
but I urge you , agree with one and other,
your election is not based on what you do
if it is yer not elected.
dont all go saying I am of this way or I am of that way
it is Christ (not his last name)
is Christ divided. ( nother retorical question)
one isrealite does well,
batkoll does well too.
so does that American do.
okay I am greatfull that you let ne post on here unhindered.
so sift through my rambling and if there is any fruit feel free to have it.
I made ya puke I do ask forgivness...
Kevin
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Posted - 01 Oct 2006 : 07:25:37
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Greetings and salutations, brother Kevin:
We too desire peace, so for that, we thank you.
We do however have a question, if that is okay, if the holydays of our nation were done away with why was Shaul/Paul apparently still very dilligent to keep them long after the murder of our Prime Minister?
Act 18:19 And he [Shaul/Paul] came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews. 20 When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; 21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means [G1163] keep this feast [G1859] that cometh in Jerusalem...
G1163 dei (pronounced die, deh-on') ...it is (was, etc.) necessary (as binding)- Strong's Greek Dictionary
G1859
heorte
Thayer Definition:
1) a feast day, festival
For the record, brother Kevin, we do strive to adhere to this advice from Shaul/Paul, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, be peaceful with all men". Do you ever see us initiating an attack on anyone? If we have, we are certainly not aware of it. However, at some point we must finally "throw in the towel" and admit that with certain men, at specific times in our existence, peace may not be possible. At that jucture we feel it may sometimes be best to simply not communicate with each other for a time in order to keep the friction from escalating to the point of flames.
We hope this finds you and yours faring well.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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kevin
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Posted - 01 Oct 2006 : 08:51:43
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Hi Robert,
I can't answer that question about Paul's strong desire to keep that particular feast at that particular time. My best guess is he too was hearing voices and doing his personal best to follow what he percieved to be the path unfolding before him.
I did have something happen to me recently along those lines
Feast of trumpets , now... I have no clue what it is about but I was compelled to do something with it, I waited for days for specific instructions on this, none came I read about it but that did not help me.
So the day came and that evening i went in ,got my old trumpet out, took it outside and started to blow into that old thing, hehehe, even a few melodic notes came out, my helpmeet and son came out...
helpmeet says SHHHH! you'll wake the dead I said ... hehehehe, they was like oh no hes is really loosing it now, then I start shouting Praise Yahuwah King of the Universe hootin and hollering all manner of things ,
I liked it, My Father liked it, everyone else ...
well they just wondered ????
So I can understand Paul having a strong desire to do something, and also Paul had way more knowledge than I currently am aware of.
Im not saying what to do or not to do, only generally, whatever the Master tells ya is the thing to do.
I dont look at the feasts as a "law" to follow but an invitation to fellowship and if on the way to the feast I remember a brother who has ought against me, uh oh go back get it right then come with my offering.
How many times , I read once 70 times 70 =490 times Iffin I was counting.
But I did notice you said peace may not be possible, if that is the case then peace may be possible and as far as throwing in the towel I am certaily exccedinlgy greatfull that Yahuwah has not done the same with me ,for iffin anyone has not deserved even a fleeting glance from this Supreme selfexsisting one I could qualify.thats all I have to go by.
Dont worry about escalating flames, they are good anything that is not Christ will burn up and what remain will be caughtup with Him in the spirit.
(not talkin about that rupture thing either;))
anyhow I like what you guys are doin down there below the masondixon line.
and me and mine . we are faring
Yah bless, brother Robert, and your lovely helpmeet, maker of applebutter cookies |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 08:33:57
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Greetings and salutations, brother Kevin:
We too wish peace upon the house.
You wrote: I dont look at the feasts as a "law" to follow but an invitation to fellowship and if on the way to the feast I remember a brother who has ought against me, uh oh go back get it right then come with my offering.
How many times, I read once 70 <sic> times 70 =490 times Iffin I was counting.
We respond: If a brother has aught(anything) against us, he should let us know what evil thing it is that he believes that we have done to him (or his family, etc.), and if it be true, then we should be full of remorse.
REMORSE, n. remors'. [L. remorsus, from remordeo.] 1. The keen pain or anguish excited by a sense of guilt; compunction of conscience for a crime committed. - Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language
And, after having done all that is within our power to turn from our evil ways, we may then ask our brother to forgive us for our trespass against him.
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
On the other hand if we feel no genuine remorse for the hurtful things we have done to our brother, he is in no way obligated to forgive us.
However, should he choose to forgive us, irrespective of our lack of remorse, this forgiveness, of a truth, in no way binds him to eat with us.
1Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be...a railer [abusive]...with such an one do not even eat.
We hope this has been helpful.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 09:07:34
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And what a perfect day Yah has chosen for this topic, eh, brother Kevin?
And Yahuwah spoke to Mosheh saying, Also, on the tenth of this seventh month shall be a day of atonement; there shall be a holy gathering [a meeting of the set apart ones], and you shall humble your souls…for it is a day of atonement, to atone for you before Yahuwah your 'Elohiym.
...and you shall humble your souls...
HUMBLE, v.t. ...To humble one's self, to repent; to afflict one's self for sin; to make contrite [broken-hearted (having the spirits depressed or crushed by grief or despair)...; deeply affected with grief and sorrow for having offended Yahuwah; penitent (suffering pain or sorrow of heart on account of sins, crimes or offenses...sincerely affected by a sense of guilt resolving on amendment of life)]
REPENT, v.i. ...5. In theology, to sorrow or be pained for sin, as a violation of Yahuwah's holy law, a dishonor to his character and government, and the foulest ingratitude to a Being of infinite benevolence.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
...And the second is like unto it...
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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kevin
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 17:57:42
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Ahh Yes my brother,
perfect day indeed....
and as usual you have been helpfull.
I took care of the business at hand now I can go to my tent.
Kevin
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 07:23:47
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Feast of Booths, 15th day of Ethaniym[1]
Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a festival unto Yahuwah seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath. And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick-foliaged trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before Yahuwah your ‘Elohiym seven days. And ye shall keep it a festival unto Yahuwah seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month. Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Yisra’elites born shall dwell in booths: That your generations may know that I made the children of Yisra’el to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of mitsrayim[2]: I am Yahuwah your ‘Elohiym.
BOOTH, n. [Heb. beth, a house or booth, a nest for birds.] A house or shed built of boards, boughs of trees, or other slight materials, for a temporary residence. – Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
Booth
A hut made of the branches of a tree. …Booths were erected also at the feast of Tabernacles (q.v.), which commemorated the abode of the Israelites in the wilderness. – Easton’s 1897 Bible Dictionary
And what is the purpose of this festival?
…And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand Yahuwah brought us out from mitsrayim, from the house of bondage…
Endnotes:
[1] According to our understanding of Yahuwah's year, the first day of the Feast of Booths, the fifteenth day of Ethaniym, is Sat. Sept. 7th on the caesar's calendar.
[2] We find mitsrayim first defined in the Set Apart Scripture at Exodus 13:3 And Mosheh said unto the people, Remember [properly to mark] this day, in which ye came out from mitsrayim [double straits], out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand Yahuwah brought you out from this… And the word mitsrayim is defined as the “house of bondage”, not just once, but ten times! (See Exodus 13:3, 13:14, 20:2; Deuteronomy 5:6, 6:12, 8:14, 13:5, 13:10; Joshua (i.e. Yahushua) 24:17; Judges 6:8)
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 05:39:41
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...my helpmeet and son came out...
helpmeet says SHHHH! you'll wake the dead...
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand...raise [G1453] the dead [G3498]...
G1453 egeiro ...to waken (transitively or intransitively), that is, rouse (literally from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence)
G3498 nekros ...dead (literally or figuratively...)
Congratulations, brother Kevin, if we have the correct understanding, that seems to be an integral part of the instructions we have received from Yahuwah's Wonderful Counsellor.
For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
Behold...I will give to Yerusalem one that bringeth Good Tidings.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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Posted - 07 Oct 2006 : 09:06:19
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What, exactly, are these Good Tidings?
The Spirit (mental disposition) of Yahuwah[1], Yahuwah (Dissect Isa. 61:1) is upon (superimposed on) me, because he hath anointed me to preach the Good Tidings to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives (those who have been brought into subjection), and recovering of sight to the blind (2) mentally blind), to set at liberty them that are bruised (crushed)...
CRUSH, v.t. ...5. To oppress grievously. - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
OPPRESS', v.t. [L. appressus, from opprimo; ob and premo, to press.] 1. To load or burden with unreasonable impositions; to treat with unjust severity, rigor or hardship; as, to oppress a nation with taxes or contributions; to oppress one by compelling him to perform unreasonable service. (Ibid.)
And how would these things be accomplished?
And Yahushua went about all Galilee (the district), teaching in their assemblages, and hearalding (as a public crier) the Good Tidings[2] of the realm
By establishing an alternative realm, i.e. a separate jurisdiction.
I appoint unto you a kingdom [a realm], as my Father hath appointed unto me
KING'DOM, n. [king and dom, jurisdiction.] ...5. In Scripture the government or universal dominion of God. - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
REALM, n. relm. [L. rex, king, whence regalis, royal.] 1. A royal jurisdiction or extent of government; a kingdom; a king's dominions; as the realm of England. 2. Kingly government... - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
Endnotes:
[1] H136 adonay ...Lord - title, spoken in place of Yahweh [Yahuwah] in Jewish display of reverence - Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Lexicon
[2] 2) good tidings
2a) the glad tidings of the kingdom of God [Yahuwah] soon to be set up, and subsequently also of Jesus [Yahushua] the Messiah, the founder of this kingdom. - Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament
P.S. According to our understanding of Yahuwah's year, today is the first day of the Feast of Booths [1b) booth (rude or temporary shelter)], a.k.a. the Feast of Tabernacles and the Feast of Ingathering.
May Yahuwah bless your holyday.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 07:49:41
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What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot[G4204] is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
G4204 pome Thayer definition: ...2) metaphorically an idolatress; 2a) of “Babylon,” i.e. Rome, [i.e. ______________] the chief seat of idolatry
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 07:12:37
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Greetings and salutations, brother Kevin:
Peace be unto the house.
You wrote: I just noticed this name ECC Forum and Fellowship does ECC in all CAPS make it a fiction?
We respond: No, dear brother, that makes it an acronym for Ecclesiastic Commonwealth Community. What makes it a fiction is the complete ignorance that some people seemingly have regarding the Greek word ekklesia.
ecclesia ...1. The political assembly of citizens... - The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
The authors of this website apparently knew what the Greek word ecclesia meant.."Commonwealth Community". It is not a blinkety-blank "church" with touchy-feely, feel-good fellowship...it is supposed to be the "society" of the "political assembly of citizens" of a "commonwealth".
COMMONWEALTH, n. 1. An established form of government, or civil polity; or more generally, a state; a body politic, consisting of a certain portion of men united by compact or tacit agreement, under one form of government and system of laws. ...A commonwealth is properly a free state... - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
COMMUNITY, n. ...2. A society of people...living under the same laws and regulations. (Ibid.)
FEL'LOWSHIP, n. 1. Companionship; society; consort; mutual association of persons <sic> on equal and friendly terms; familiar intercourse. (Ibid.)
SOCI'ETY, n. [L. societas, from socius, a companion. See Sociable.] 1. The union of a number of rational beings; or a number of persons united, either for a temporary or permanent purpose. (Ibid.)
And we should take, once again, special note that a society is the union of a number of rational beings OR a number of persons united. The Kingdom of Yahuwah, in case there is any doubt, is the union of a number of rational beings (H7307 ruach ...spirit, but only of a rational being). The "political assembly of citizens" to which we belong, the Kingdom of Yahuwah, is also known as the commonwealth of Yisra'el, i.e. the free state of the princes/princesses of 'El.
Some may think us silly (christianus) because our "society" is so small...
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Yahuwah did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because Yahuwah loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath Yahuwah brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen...
...but they may want to think again, because our Father can beat their father.
We sincerely hope, this too, has been helpful.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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BatKol
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 16:12:44
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Just found these questions to me. I'll answer them in hopes that you will address our concerns concerning your teaching found below.
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Originally posted by oneisraelite
BatKol:
Peace be unto the house.
I also will ask you one thing...
Do you believe that Yahushua, or whatever you wish to call the Anointed One of the New Testament, is the anointed King of the commonwealth of Yisra'el, i.e. the "Prince of the princes of 'El"?
Yes, but I would not limit Christ's Kingship to the "commonwealth of Yisra'el" (which is no longer administered by the Sinai Covenant nor is it limited only to the offspring of Jacob). Christ is King of all because "For by Him all things were made, in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, authorities, lords, rulers, and powers; all things were made by him and for him". Even Pilate's power came from the Most High.
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And thou Beyth Lechem [Bethlehem], in the land of Yahudah, art not the least among the princes of Yahudah: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Yisra'el. (See Miyka'yah [Micah] 5:2)
On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Yahushua was coming to Yerushalem, Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Yisra'el that cometh in the name [authority] of Yahuwah.
Unfortunatly, only a remnant of the flesh Israelites were actually preserved out of the many "lost sheep". Those who accepted Christ as the Messiah were part of the "scanty remnant" that was promised. For the most part the flesh Israelites rejected Him. "He came to His own but His own received Him not". The joining in of the non-Israelite Gentiles does not figure into the "scanty remnant" aside from the fact that the Kingdom of God was taken from "the children" (the builders).
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Do you believe Yahushua spoke the truth when he said, "All authority in Heaven and on earth was given to Me."?
Yes. Everything receives power from Christ as all are subject to Him.
Having said all of that, we are still left with trying to reconsile how Paul could have dual citizenship of both Heaven and ROME without conflict of 'serving two masters' according to your teaching. There is not one statement in the NT where Christ chastises Paul or anyone for being a Roman citizen. We are still left wondering how Joseph could be called "righteous" (defined as following divine law) while registering for the ROMAN census. Aside from Paul we have ROMAN citizens such as Paul's preaching partner Silus, Roman centurion Cornelius and proconsul Sergius Paulus who did accept Christ with not one mention of their CITIZENSHIP being a sin. In fact, Cornelius was considered a devout man who feared God with all his house.
These - and many other items from the Bible - do not add up if your teaching is correct. Items we don't find settled by the notion that all which disagrees with such teachings can be filed away under the "lying pen of the scribes" statement about OT law. Or that items only mentioned once in the Bible are questionable. Many of the items you quote are only found once in the Bible so I don't think you are applying equal weights and measures on that formula. Indeed, many very important items in the Bible are only mentioned once!
Seriously, if we are to heed Paul's statement that we should all be believing the same doctrine we would need some RATIONAL explainations to explain away the above two paragraphs. Quoting statements in support of your theory made by the Jews to frame Christ will not due. Out of context, heavily edited and re-worded verses supported by selectively quoted dictionaries will not due. Adding 9th century AD Hebrew of the Jews who wrote the Tanakh to Greek NT source texts will not due.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 15 Oct 2006 : 08:48:00
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Greetings and salutations, brother Steven:
Peace be unto the house.
brother Steven: Yes… Yes. Everything receives power from Christ as all are subject to Him.
We respond: It is good that thou believest!! Thou doest well!! We are coming closer, I feel. It may only be a matter of semantics now. Though we would have to disagree with the statement that “everything receives power from Christ”.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve Yahuwah with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Ask any Minister (an agent appointed to transact or manage business under the authority of another[1]) of the STATE, "in whose name, by what authority do you do these things?", and see if they are acting in the authority of our anointed Prime Minister, Yahushua [the Christ, JESUS].
brother Steven continued: …but I would not limit Christ's Kingship to the "commonwealth of Yisra'el"…
We respond: Here is where some of those semantics we speak of enter in. The spirit leads us to believe that the commonwealth of Yisra’el is not a tiny little place in the so-called Middle East, but rather it is “a state”, that is to say, a condition. A commonwealth is “properly a free state[2]”, “then are the children free”. It is the commonwealth of the princes/princesses (sovereigns) of ‘el. (See 1Peter 2:9; Revelations 1:6 and 5:10) It is, at this time, still a state within a STATE.
brother Steven continues: …(which is no longer administered by the Sinai Covenant nor is it limited only to the offspring of Jacob).
We respond: And, I think you already know that we, you and we, are in agreement that there is a new covenant, and, that citizenship is no longer [if it ever was] limited to “only the offspring of Jacob”, i.e. the literal offspring of Ya’acob: Yisra’el (a prince of ‘el).
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. ...
For they are not all Yisra’el (princes of ‘el) , which are of Yisra’el (descendants of Ya’acob: Yisra’el)…
As to the rest: Anyone is free to believe, if they so desire, that his or her preferred version (a change or transformation[3]) of the Scripture is the inerrant one, that is to say, it is without any errors, and may, if they so choose, criticize those who use, what is left of it, buffet-style, just as Thomas Jefferson reportedly did.
Study to shew thyself approved unto Yahuwah, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing (to make a straight cut, that is, (figuratively) to dissect (expound) correctly (the divine message)) the word of truth.
But, by that same token, we are also free to believe that we are led by the spirit (the rational mental disposition Yahuwah has bestowed upon [breathed into] us)…
…we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of Yahuwah…
…to believe that the fox was left guarding the hen house, and that the written versions of Yahuwah’s Word have been tampered with, i.e. that things have been added to it, things have been taken away from it, and that it has been changed/transformed, both intentionally (to suit the purposes of the plunderers), and unintentionally (out of pure and simple ignorance).
Who changed the truth of Yahuwah into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
We are also free to believe that Yahuwah has seen fit to leave hidden within His Book the keys to freedom, and that one of the purposes of The Book is to teach us how to make the exodus out of bondage.
Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
Therefore, we are free to equate…No man can serve two masters [G2962]…with the concept of controller, just as James Strong indicates it means in his Greek Dictionary.
G2962
kurios
Strong’s Greek Dictionary Definition: …controller…
CONTROLLER, n. 1. One who controls, or restrains; one that has the power or authority to govern or control.[4]
And, that these controllers are creators of “money” (mammon)…
Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
…and their bought and paid for accomplices are the governments of men that are not ordained by Yahuwah, as it is written.
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against Yahuwah, and against his anointed…
They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not…
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament tells us that the Greek word kurios, translated masters in Luke 16:13, could be referencing the STATE, 1a2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor.
Furthermore, we are free to believe Shaul/Paul when he says, ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy (consecrated or set apart to a sacred use[5]) nation, a peculiar (one’s own property[6]) people…
And you, of course, are just as free to disagree with any, or all, of what we have been given.
Please give our love to the family, brother Steven. Thank you for your input.
[1] Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
[2] Ibid. (same source as above)
[3] Ibid.
[4] Ibid.
[5] Ibid.
[6] Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament
PECU'LIAR, a. [L. peculiaris, from peculium, one's own property, from pecus, cattle.] 1. Appropriate; belonging to a person and to him only. 4. Belonging to a nation,system or other thing, and not to others. – Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 17 Oct 2006 08:22:26 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 15:08:44
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I like this guy!! Thanks brother Rick (UNCLE BUCK).
"Thought for today: Certain men ("moneyed politicians"), having no proper natural authority to do so, create a fictional political entity which the moneyed politicians impose on the common persons; making rules thereof setting up a societal situation in which it is literally impossible for any common person to survive without the common persons violating the rules mandated and enforced by the moneyed politicians; then the moneyed politicians write up a fancy amendment proclaiming that involuntary servitude shall not exist in their fictitious political domain, and then the moneyed politicians claim that all common persons volunteered into servitude to the moneyed politicians political fiction based on what the common persons do when the common persons go about their lives engaging in activities, merely doing that which is necessary to survive; and the moneyed politicians tax and fine and mortgage the common persons to a point where the common persons are reduced to a condition which can only be candidly described as total abject economic and political slavery and the common persons just meekly comply."
I'm Eric WhoRU
Yahoo Group WhoRU - 4 The Politically Challenged
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whoru/
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 18 Oct 2006 07:38:51 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 21:32:49
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Here is an excerpt from Robert Menard's Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception. Aside from language differences, some of you may recognize this concept from the Scripture.
Bubble #23 - Child of God
WHO IS NUMBER 2 IN THAT HEIRARCHY?
What if I told you that you have the legal right to claim that number two position and that if you did, no one would have authority over you, except God. Would you believe me? If you do claim your status as a Child of God, who has the right to say it isn't so? Who will dispute it? ...
WARNING: do not take this step unless you truly believe in God and that you are in fact a Child of God. If you get caught as an imposter the punishment can be very large. Not just from the Judiciary, but from God too. A Child of God enjoys Grace and acts with honour and the moment you start to act contrary to what is acceptable Child of God behaviour, you will be ejected from the 'party' and your claim will be lost.
...and if children, then heirs, heirs of Yahuwah and joint heirs with the Anointed, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be exalted with Him.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 17 Oct 2006 22:03:37 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 18 Oct 2006 : 08:37:30
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Eric Whoru’s basic premise and ours are very much alike:
My position relative to the issue of political jurisdiction is based on just six words Luis [Ewing], those six words are:
"Governments do not exist in nature"
Now, Luis, I know that you will most probably be able to prove me wrong on that - all you have to do is come forward with a government tree - you know - a tree - a plant that grows out of the ground with little fledgling governments developing from government blossoms - like apples develop from blossoms on an apple tree. And, Luis, just a picture of such a government bearing tree will do just fine.
My political jurisdiction arguments are not based on statutes, laws, previous cases or on SCOTUS decisions - my political jurisdiction arguments are based on simple logic and reason - being that as governments do not exist in nature it is self evident that governments are fictional entities, with no more jurisdiction over non-volunteering members (citizens), than the fictional Boy Scouts of America have over non-volunteering boys. Fictionally created governments cannot reasonably have any proper authority to empower themselves to deem itself to have power to govern non-volunteering members than would bank robbers to deem their bank robbing activities to be righteous.
My political jurisdiction arguments are valid even if the government never ever accedes thereto!!!!
Eric WhoRU (pronounced whoroo)
Yahoo Groups WhoRU – 4 The Politically Challenged
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whoru/
His (?) “political jurisdiction arguments” are valid especially if a government does not recognize them or acknowledge them, in my humble opinion.
If the world [G2889] hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world [G2889], the world [G2889] would love his own: but because ye are not of the world [G2889], but I have chosen you out of the world [G2889], therefore the world [G2889] hateth you.
However, we do not consider them to be his "political jurisdiction arguments". We believe that at least One other discovered them long before brother Eric did. Need a little hint?
I have given them thy word; and the world [G2889] hath hated them, because they are not of the world [G2889], even as I am not of the world [G2889]. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world [G2889], but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world [G2889], even as I am not of the world [G2889].
G2889
kosmos
Thayer Definition:
1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, ‘the heavenly hosts’, as the ornament of the heavens. 1Pe_3:3
3) the world, the universe
4) the circle of the earth, the earth
5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
7a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
8a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom_11:12 etc)
8b) of believers only, Joh_1:29; Joh_3:16; Joh_3:17; Joh_6:33; Joh_12:47 1Co_4:9; 2Co_5:19
Though others are obviously free to choose whatever definition(s) their hearts may desire from that definition-buffet, we have been led, by the spirit, to choose the bolded/underlined ones.
Endnote: You may want to go to brother Eric's forum and read, for yourself, the scathing opinion that Luis has, of both Eric himself (the messenger), and "his [Eric's] political jurisdiction arguments". http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whoru/message/101
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 18 Oct 2006 10:08:08 |
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