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Cornerstone Foundation
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 Posted - 23 Mar 2004 : 08:59:36
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Originally posted by oneisraelite
Greetings and salutations in the name of the King, brothers and sisters:
Peace be unto the house.
Question: Since the "sun" ["the greater light" - Earth's nearest "star"] was not created until the fourth "day", how could it be that, "sun"set [Walter], noon [Marty], or "sun"rise [Robert-James] be the start of a Scriptural day?
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el, NOT the STATE OF ISRAEL.
Robert:
Could it be that the answer to the question you pose above is that the time periods referred to in day 1 through day 3 in Genesis chapter one (and also in days 4 through 7 for that matter) refer to "day/ages" as Ferrar Fentons' translation indicates...?
If that is the case...then no sun would need to be present for an age to begin with an "evening" and end with a "morning"...
and then as Yahweh in His Perfect Design so often did and does...He patterned the "24 hours days" after the bigger picture of the "day/ages" so that "evening" would proceed "morning" in a "day/date" of the month?...Is this possible?
Respectfully submitted,
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Posted - 23 Mar 2004 : 09:28:39
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Originally posted by Walter
Hi Marty,
I understand 90 degree angles, but can't figure out what your purpose is for them in determining the day. The ancient peoples I hope did not have to walk around with a compass and protracter to tell the time. I'd like to see your reasoning here.Walter
Walter:
We'll be away from the computer for awhile...we look forward to responding in more detail when we return...for now this general explanation of our current position (which we believe MAY be correct but are not certain that it is correct)...
Our position stems from the perception that the Hebrew word "khodesh" which has often been erroneously (IMHO) translated "moon" should instead be regarded by us as meaning 1/12 or 30 degrees of 360 degrees of a year (i.e. one revolution of the earth around the sun).
90 degrees of that circle comprises each of the four seasons of Yahweh's Year it seems.
Please click the following link for definitions of the words appearing in color in this post:
http://ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=352&whichpage=5.
The plotting of the 90 degrees as it applies to a "day/date" at the equinox is perhaps...
1.) the first "even" or "evening" beginning at noon
2.) the second "even" or "evening" being at 1/2 hour after sun over the western horizon and commencing the time segment commonly known as "dark" and also as "night" (the night portion of "evening")
3.) morning beginning at 12 midnight (this begins the "dark" portion of "morning".)
4.)the day/daylight portion of "morning" beginning 1/2 hour before the sun appears over the eastern horizon. (This period lasts until high noon at which time "morning" is over and a new "day/date" begins.
We perceive that part of the difficulty in communicating about these concepts stems from using dual definitions for words like "morning" and "evening" and "night" and "day" and....
Perhaps we could agree on some alternate terms so that we each know which period the others are referring to. (For example "day/date" instead of just "day" to refer to a 24 hour period plotted on a monthly calendar.
The terms and definitions we propose are posted at the following link:http://ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=352&whichpage=5.
Respectfully submitted for consideration by the ecclesia,
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Walter
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Posted - 27 Mar 2004 : 16:23:34
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Abib 10
On the tenth of Abib, the children of Israel are commanded to select a lamb without blemish, a lamb for each house. But if a whole lamb is too much for the household, then to share the lamb amongst their neighbors.
Exodus 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb , according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: 4) And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. 5) Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: 6) And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month : and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. ["in the evening" is really, "between the evens."]
We see this fulfilled in Jesus coming to Jerusalem as recorded in John 12.
John 12:
1* ¶ Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
2* There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
3* Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5* Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6* This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
7* Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
12 ¶ On the next day <1887> much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13* Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
15* Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
I count these days this way:
..........|Jesus travels the 9th during daylight, six days before
..........| passover (15th) and eats sometime later at Lazarus'
..........| house, maybe in the late afternoon or maybe after
..........| nightfall (the next day)- it doesn't really matter.
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..........|....|Jesus, upon the daylight of the morrow <1887>, being
..........|....| the 10th, enters the city, where the people select
..........|....| their lamb.
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..........|....|.......................| Passover starts at/after sundown of
..........|....|.......................| the 14th, the cusp of the next
..........|....|.......................| day, the 15th - the sixth day
..........|....|.......................| from the event of John 12:1.
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Abib...9..10..11..12..13..14..15
count -6..-5..-4..-3..-2..-1...0=Passover
This shows me that (contrary to some thinking) the passover is indeed on the fifteenth and not the fourteenth.
Jesus was anointed with ointment (either on the ninth or tenth), selected by the whole people as their lamb on the tenth. He then kept the passover on Abib 15, the night before He was arrested, falsely accused, and murdered that same Biblical day. But as recorded in John, this day was the preparation day of the Pharisees who were to keep their passover the next day. (Read the accounts.)
Abib 9 is Sunday (March 28) and Abib 10 is Monday (March 29).
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Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 22:45:09
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Walter my friend,
I do know this: I, Me, baked unleavened bread today, in anticipation of passover and also the feast thereof. Ya, I know a man is not complete without a woman, so I banked the internet, and sure enough, it gave forth a recipe for unleavened bread. For twenty years now my family has observed passover, though so very incomplete, in spirit and Truth. I am now alone, though I Am not alone, for friends and me shall observe the silent night tomorrow, with Joy, for He won the Victory for Us, and We are here to lay testimony to the Fact.
Passover is such; the perfect Time to leave behind: religious doctrine from 501 c-3 CHURCHES, the PIRateS...voting for two simpleton's,{republican's-democratic's}, leave behind any Socialist Security number's, bank accounts, ALL CAPITALIZED NAMES, dna faults, Jezebelizian spirits,. whew, you add the next...MR ALL CAP.
Seven days thou shall eat unleavened bread...do it physically too! A fine younger brother pointed out to me words in scripture I had never seen before...beware of the Pharasee's bread...{ho hum} which is man's religious system. But my fine visitor for the night, pointed out...beware of Herod's bread-leaven. Herod...is the same as GOVERNMENT. Consider that.
For the seeker's who figure in the moon...
Rev. 12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a 'woman' clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under Her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
Consider what She [Israel} was clothed with, and consider what She put under Her feet.
Kikes-Khazars-and modern jews and cretins {Catholic Christians}, can not find passover-easter without the moon. I will take a pass or ask forgiveness if Kike is a bad word. I have never known the defination of Kike, other than a man who is a Jew...modern jew. If...that be the case,
what is a Jew? www.savethemales.ca is written writings by a FORMER Jew, who now knows better. He knows he is DNA wise, a Khazer.
Solar TIME...THE 14TH DAY AT NIGHT FALL, {DARK} IS PASSOVER, EVEN AT THE MIDNIGHT HOUR. Consider Matthew 24, at the midnight hour, 10 virgin's{ house of Israel}...got the oil of annointing? Involved in usury? that is i nterest? Don't poke the finger at homo boy's and gal's, for usury is worse than same sex. Yahushuah stated that is would be more tolerable for SODOM/GOROMAH, and let me pharaphrase, than for the born again boobs laying claim to U.S. citizenship.
The Master Teacher stated in John three, that when One is literally born again...it is then...that One, can Literally See the Kingdom of Yah.
You ain't sen "it" you are still looking. A Kingdom is a Place.
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Walter
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Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 09:00:22
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Abib 14-15, the Passover
On the fourteenth of Abib, the children of Israel were to kill their passover lamb.
Exodus 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month : and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. ["in the evening" is really, "between the evens."] 7)* And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. 8)* And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9)* Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10)* And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. 11)* And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.
The lamb was slaughtered "between the evens," which I take to be between morning and evening, times at which the sun is even with the horizon, in the light of the day. It is to be well cooked, then eaten at night. Nothing of it is to remain, but any shall be burned with fire. So the lamb is slaughtered in the day of Abib fourteenth, then eaten at night on the fifteenth with unleavened bread. Passover is a memorial forever:
Exodus 12:14* And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
The Feast of Unleavened Bread is from Abib 15 to Abib 21 (Exodus 12:15-20). Notice that the passover lamb is eaten with unleavened bread; the day of Passover is the first day of the FoUB. The first day of the FoUB, is a holy convocation and "no manner of work shall be done therein." (v. 16) Seven days later, at even on the end of Abib 21 this feast ends. Even on the fourteenth you are to put leaven out of your houses (v. 15); I suppose this is good practice lest women by rote mistakenly put leaven into the bread they make as they would by habit on most other days. This is why I believe the fourteenth, the day the lamb is prepared - the preparation day -, is called the first day of unleavened bread in the New Testament:
Matt 26:17* Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Mark 14:12* And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Jesus the Christ, our Savior, kept the Passover at the proper time, as He must have to keep the law and be perfect; that 'Last Supper,' as it is called today, was a Passover feast. Many have noticed the apparent conflict in the timelines of those days between the first three gospel accounts and that of John. But John appears to have used the perspective of the Jews in this regard:
John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
John 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
John 11:55 And the Jews' passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves.
This explains why, after Christ kept the proper Passover the previous night, He was in the process of being taken to His murder by the Pharisees that same day, which was that year their day of preparation for their passover that coming nightfall:
John 18:39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
(Releasing a man at the passover must be at its preparation, because doing so is work prohibited for the fifteenth.)
Thinking back on the passage of John 12, regarding Mary anointing the feet of Jesus (v. 3), I believe it had to be on the day of the ninth, rather than at night on the tenth. This is because of this one-day offset apparent in John's account. The ninth would have really been the tenth according to the true calendar, whereupon Jesus received His anointing as King and selection as Passover Lamb from God through Mary. The following day, being the tenth by the Jews' calendar, would have been the appropriate day the people (under the control of the Pharisees) chose their King and Lamb. It makes sense to me. |
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Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 16:57:37
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Originally posted by Walter
Abib 14-15, the Passover
On the fourteenth of Abib, the children of Israel were to kill their passover lamb.
Exodus 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month : and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. ["in the evening" is really, "between the evens."]Exodus 12:14* And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
Jesus the Christ, our Savior, kept the Passover at the proper time, as He must have to keep the law and be perfect; that 'Last Supper,' as it is called today, was a Passover feast.
Walter and Robert James:
Thank you for your posts (much..but not all..we agree with).
Your comments it seems would have Yahshua keeping Passover at the right time to "keep the Law and be perfect"....but His Father Yahweh not keeping the Law and not being perfect...
...because Yahweh caused his ULTIMATE LAMB, the one that all the other lambs foreshadowed, to be sacrificed the perhaps 21 hours later.
Yahshua Messiah is OUR PASSOVER, the LAMB OF YAHWEH provided by our Father Yahweh to pay a price that was much too high for us to pay.
It is inconceivable for us to think that our Father Yahweh disobeyed the Law of Passover in that event.
With that in mind we think we should "go figure" and see how the rest fits and we encourage others in the ecclesia to help us with that.
Respectfully submitted,
Marty
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Walter
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Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 18:21:40
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Originally posted by Cornerstone Foundation
Your comments it seems would have Yahshua keeping Passover at the right time to "keep the Law and be perfect"....but His Father Yahweh not keeping the Law and not being perfect...
...because Yahweh caused his ULTIMATE LAMB, the one that all the other lambs foreshadowed, to be sacrificed the perhaps 21 hours later.
Marty,
You've created quite a conundrum with that way of looking at it: Either Jesus was wrong, or Father was wrong. I suggest Jesus was correct, and Father did His part right too.
I suggested in my last post that the people were under the hand of the Jews and that is why they were to choose the Lamb on the correct day under the Jews' calendar. Remember, Jesus said to the woman at the well:
John 4:22* Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of<1537> the Jews.
1537 ek {ek} or ex {ex}
a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or
motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal
or figurative;; prep
AV - of 367, from 181, out of 162, by 55, on 34, with 25, misc 97; 921
1) out of, from, by, away from
I believe it is not possible under the lunar calendar to have Nisan 1 start on the same day as (solar) Abib 1. The closest they can get is one day apart. Salvation "away from" the Jews, under their calendar.
Obviously Jesus could not have kept the Passover if He were on the preparation day of the lunar calendar Israel's passover crucified. But consider that the passover was eaten at night, with anything left over to be burnt, being Abib 15. Christ was arrested later that night, and crucified and buried that same day; He said on the cross: it is finished. All on Abib 15. It'd be interesting to figure out what day Judas sought the bribe to betray Him.
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Robert-James
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Posted - 04 Apr 2004 : 01:25:02
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That was then, this is now.
Shall we use this week to see how much of Herod's [GOVERNMENT] leavened bread we still partake of?
How much of the pharasee'{Pope and his 501 c-3 church daughter's} bread we still eat?
And, is it our time to exit-your own exodus- The U.S. Corp., now controlled by Swiss banker's UNbritish royals, and Rome's minions, otherwise known as Jesuits.
Agreed, it is much easier to split hairs on religious questions about historical passover, time, date, hours. But if one doesn't leave Egypt, it is all slave talk.
Yahuweh called His Son out of Egypt. Softly and tenderly He is still calling His son's and daughter's out of Egypt. Eventually one may even hear a loud shout. The voice of the arch-angel-messenger, Michael. And the DEAD shall rise... |
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Walter
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Posted - 04 Apr 2004 : 12:41:09
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Abib 16, the Wave Offering; the Feast of Unleavened Bread continues until Abib 21
After the sabbath of the Passover the children of Israel are commanded to offer a wave offering. This was apparently not instituted at the actual exodus from Egypt, for in those accounts there are only (regarding the calendar) the commands to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread (v. 5,6), and to have special Sabbath on the twenty-first of Abib (v. 6).
Exodus 13:1* ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2)* Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine. 3)* And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten. 4)* This day came ye out in the month Abib. 5)* And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month. 6)* Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD. 7)* Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. 8)* And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt. 9)* And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt. 10)* Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year.
It is in the book of Leviticus where we find the Feast of Firstfruits (Lev. 23:10-11). A burnt offering of a lamb was to be offered that day also.
Leviticus 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 10) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest : 11) And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD , to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12) And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD. 13) And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin. 14) And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings .
Some have interpreted this wave offering to be after the week of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, presumably from their misunderstanding of the flow of the time period of previous verses (6-8):
Leviticus 23:6* And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7)* In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8)* But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
But the time period of Lev. 23:9-14 is to be understood, in the context of the larger passage, from the reference of the Passover day, as if standing on that calendar day and looking out, and not as walking to the end of the FoUB week. This is proven by examining the record of the foretold event of entering the promised land and discerning the dates.
Joshua 4:19 And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth day of the first month , and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho.
Joshua 5:6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: unto whom the LORD sware that he would not shew them the land, which the LORD sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey .
Joshua 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho. 11) And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover , unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day. 12) And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land ; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year .
The tribes of Israel crossed the Jordan river into the promised land on the tenth day of the first month, and on the fourteenth day at even kept the passover. The passover meal is eaten at night, on the following Biblical day, the fifteenth, their first Sabbath in the new land, and "on the morrrow" Joshua 5:11-1 records they ate the last of their old corn. And the day after that, the sixteenth, the manna ceased whereupon they ate of the fruit of the land of Canaan. This day, the sixteenth, would then be confirmed as the day that the tribes of Israel ceased their journey to the new land, and the day they actually reaped their first harvest thereof, when they were to "bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest" to the priest for a wave offering. That this passage in Joshua does not actually record taking an offering to the priest does not give cause to say the wave offering is on another day, for the foretold event of Lev. 23:10-11 (reaping the first harvest) IS recorded and is to be accompanied by the firstfruits wave offering.
How does this relate to Jesus crucifixion and resurrection? Wasn't Jesus raised the day after the passover? Wouldn't this make Him the firstfruit wave offering? And if it's true that by the solar calendar Abib 16 was the day before, did He fulfill the requirements for a burnt/ascending offering? Anyone? |
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Walter
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Posted - 04 Apr 2004 : 12:50:27
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Originally posted by Robert-James
That was then, this is now.
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Agreed, it is much easier to split hairs on religious questions about historical passover, time, date, hours. But if one doesn't leave Egypt, it is all slave talk.
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Robert, I feel led to do this, even if for my own understanding. Why do you attempt to dissuade me? I hope there are others here who do find it a useful exercise. Let it be. |
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Walter
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 09:39:54
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Today (April 9, 2004) is Abib 21.
Abib 21, Special Sabbath at the end of the Feast of Unleavened Bread
The seventh and last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a special sabbath. The first day is the same day as the Passover - remember it was eaten with unleavened bread. The seventh day feast constitutes an extra sabbath immediately before another weekly sabbath on the twenty-second of Abib.
Exodus 13:6* Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD. 7)* Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. … 10)* Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year.
This is confirmed at Leviticus 23:8; no servile work is to be done.
Leviticus 23:6* And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7)* In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8)* But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
This provides, I believe, the explanation for the apparent eight-day separation between sabbaths recorded in John 20. The disciples would be gathered on sabbaths, despite the KJV use of the word week below, as I believe the Young's Literal Translation to be the correct rendering.
(KJV) John 20:19* ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week [4521 sabbaton], when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20)* And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. 21)* Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22)* And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
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26* ¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
(YLT) John 20:19* ¶ It being, therefore, evening, on that day, the first of the sabbaths, and the doors having been shut where the disciples were assembled, through fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith to them, `Peace to you;'
Can there be eight days between sabbaths? I've heard it said that the disciples were keeping an eight-day Roman week, but I don't believe that. Rather, I see this as the count of days from the special sabbath on Abib 21, and a regular weekly sabbath eight days later. The first of Abib is the first weekly sabbath of the year, the following dates in Abib being 8, 15, 22, 29. Abib 29 is eight days after Abib 21, offering the explanation to the eight day sabbath separation apparent in John 20. The disciples were keeping the special sabbath of the FoUB (and most likely stayed together for the next day - a regular weekly sabbath), after Jesus had been murdered a few days previous, and gathered again on Abib 29, "after eight days again."
Comments welcomed.
(Editted: I wrote that maybe "Doubting Thomas" showed up on the sabbath following Abib 21, but the record is clear he was showed up the sabbath following, Abib 29.) |
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Robert-James
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 17:45:58
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Walter,
The English use the term 8 days for a week. The Beatles even recorded a song, "8 days a Week". Maybe the English kept an ancient tradition? |
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Manuel
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 20:37:45
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Greetings In His name, The Life Giver,
I still believe that if those which follow the moon calendar being thirteen moons, one month having two moons, the second being called a blue moon, then the true timing is off compared to the solar calendar? Oye... oye... what's up? Can anyone please explain, or tell me my reasoning is outta-wack?
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Walter
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 : 16:22:59
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Abib 16 to 3/4-5 - Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)
The Feast of Weeks or Penecost is counted from the day of the Wave Offering, Abib 16 (Lev. 23:15).
Levitcus 23:
1* ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2* Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3* Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4* ¶ These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5* In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
6* And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7* In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8* But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
9* And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
10* Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11* And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12* And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
13* And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
14* And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
15* ¶ And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16* Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
17* Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
Seven sabbaths are to be counted, even after the seventh sabbath counting the next day, making fifty days. This means the forty-ninth day is a sabbath, with the fiftieth day an extension of the previous sabbath day, counting them as a single sabbath. This shows that the forty-ninth day of the count must always be a sabbath, meaning the previous sabbath was the forty-second day, and so on; like this: 49, 42, 35, 28, 21, 14, 7, and 0. When did this count start, the first (1) day? On the day of the wave offering, Abib 16. So Abib 15 is a regular weekly sabbath also (the "0'th "day). Counting back a bit further we see that Abib 8 and Abib 1 must always be regular weekly sabbaths. The fiftieth day of the feast is counted "unto the morrow," meaning it is a continuation of the ongoing count, and is to make "seven sabbaths" complete, meaning the fiftieth day is included in the seven sabbaths.
The commanded sabbath rest for the land (Leviticus 25) follows a similar pattern to that for the Feast of Weeks.
Leviticus 25:
8* ¶ And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
9* Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
10* And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
11* A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.
Some people have interpreted "[e]ven unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days" as meaning to count an additional fifty days after the seven sabbath, but this is not justified by the text, or grounded in any Biblical example. But there is a record in the Bible of the forty-ninth and fiftieth days after the exodus being observed as special.
Exodus 19:
1* ¶ In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
2* For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.
3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
4* Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7* And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8* And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
9* ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.
10* And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
11* And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
12* And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:
13* There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
14* And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.
15* And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives.
One must carefully understand Exodus 19:1 to indicate that the tribes came to Sinai on 3/3 - "in the third month" … on "the same day." (Those who disagree are asked to provide opposing evidence.) They would have camped for the night, as was their custom, and Moses would have gone up to the mountain the next day (Ex 19:3) - the fourth day of the third month. Moses would have then called the elders of the people (v. 7) that same day, and then received the command for the people to be sanctified that day and the next (v. 10) and to be ready "against the third day" (v. 11). This "third day" would be understood as the third day after their arrival at Sinai, or 3/6.
Notice that the forth and fifth days of the third month are the forty-ninth and fiftieth days after the Passover, in accordance with the commanded length of the Feast of Weeks in Exodus 23:15-16.
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Walter
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Posted - 03 May 2004 : 10:16:42
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Today (May 3, 2004) is 2/15. This is the day that king Hezekiah kept the second passover, which I believe he kept in the wrong month.
The Second Passover
If one cannot keep the Passover for certain limited reasons at the appointed time, then there is a second opportunity to keep it for those who could not keep it in the month of Abib.
Numbers 9
1 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the first month of the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
2* Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.
3* In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.
4* And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, that they should keep the passover.
5* And they kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month at even in the wilderness of Sinai: according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did the children of Israel.
6* And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:
7* And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the LORD in his appointed season among the children of Israel?
8* And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the LORD will command concerning you.
9* And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
10* Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
11* The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
12* They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.
13* But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the LORD in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.
14* And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.
Seems pretty simple, doesn’t it? If for an acceptable cause, if one cannot keep the Passover in the first month, on Abib 14 at even, then one keeps it in the second month – that’s the one right after Abib, month number two, right?? Well, don’t be so quick or so sure. (But remember that unless one cannot keep the Passover – for the causes given - in the first month, one MUST keep it in the first month, or else be cut off from Israel!) Read the account of Israel keeping the second Passover as recorded in 2 Chronicles.
2 Chronicles 29:
1* ¶ Hezekiah began to reign when he was five and twenty years old, and he reigned nine and twenty years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Abijah, the daughter of Zechariah.
2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father had done.
3* He in the first year of his reign, in the first month, opened the doors of the house of the LORD, and repaired them.
4* And he brought in the priests and the Levites, and gathered them together into the east street,
5* And said unto them, Hear me, ye Levites, sanctify now yourselves, and sanctify the house of the LORD God of your fathers, and carry forth the filthiness out of the holy place.
6* For our fathers have trespassed, and done that which was evil in the eyes of the LORD our God, and have forsaken him, and have turned away their faces from the habitation of the LORD, and turned their backs.
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17* Now they began on the first day of the first month to sanctify, and on the eighth day of the month came they to the porch of the LORD: so they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days; and in the sixteenth day of the first month they made an end.
18* Then they went in to Hezekiah the king, and said, We have cleansed all the house of the LORD, and the altar of burnt offering, with all the vessels thereof, and the shewbread table, with all the vessels thereof.
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They were busy sanctifying the temple and the vessels through Abib 16, and could not keep the Passover on the day commanded, so they had to keep the second one.
2 Chronicles 30:
1* ¶ And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah, and wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh, that they should come to the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, to keep the passover unto the LORD God of Israel.
2 For the king had taken counsel, and his princes, and all the congregation in Jerusalem, to keep the passover in the second month.
3 For they could not keep it at that time, because the priests had not sanctified themselves sufficiently, neither had the people gathered themselves together to Jerusalem.
4 And the thing pleased the king and all the congregation.
5* So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beersheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the LORD God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done it of a long time in such sort as it was written.
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13 ¶ And there assembled at Jerusalem much people to keep the feast of unleavened bread in the second month, a very great congregation.
14* And they arose and took away the altars that were in Jerusalem, and all the altars for incense took they away, and cast them into the brook Kidron.
15 Then they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the second month: and the priests and the Levites were ashamed, and sanctified themselves, and brought in the burnt offerings into the house of the LORD.
16* And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.
They killed the Passover lamb on the fourteenth day as commanded, and kept the Passover. But note that king Hezekiah took council and made a decree - actions that make me think that they were not clear on the matter. Remember, the purpose of the second Passover was to allow those who were “unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off” to keep Passover. Yet many were not able to be cleansed in time, which required the Levites to kill their Passover lambs, and yet they ate the Passover contrary to scripture:
2 Chronicles 30:
17 For there were many in the congregation that were not sanctified: therefore the Levites had the charge of the killing of the passovers for every one that was not clean, to sanctify them unto the LORD.
18 For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one
19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.
20 And the LORD hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people.
21 ¶ And the children of Israel that were present at Jerusalem kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with great gladness: and the Levites and the priests praised the LORD day by day, singing with loud instruments unto the LORD.
22 And Hezekiah spake comfortably unto all the Levites that taught the good knowledge of the LORD: and they did eat throughout the feast seven days, offering peace offerings, and making confession to the LORD God of their fathers.
23 And the whole assembly took counsel to keep other seven days: and they kept other seven days with gladness.
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The people kept the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and then continued it for another week.
But did they keep the second Passover in the correct month? God commanded the second Passover for those who couldn’t keep the first by reason of uncleanness, and yet the some of the people were unclean on 2/14. Did God not allow enough time?? Of course He did! I submit that the Passover of the second month does not refer to month number 2, but to the next month (after Abib) when the fifteenth day falls on a Sabbath (just as Abib 15 is a regular, weekly Sabbath). It’s like being late for the first bus that goes downtown and the taking the second one that goes downtown – it probably isn’t the second bus that passes your bus stop, but the third or fourth afterwards. The next month when the fifteenth falls on a Sabbath – and there remains to be discussed the double Sabbath at Pentecost - is the fifth month. The beauty of this is that if you count out seven weeks (as for Pentecost), you find that the seventh Sabbath coincides with the feast of the first day of the seventh month (Ethanim 1) – to be explained later -, the blowing of trumpets. See: http://home.earthlink.net/~walterk12/Xian/Cal/CalBibleQ.html
Also note that the Feasts of Passover/Unleavened Bread/Weeks (Pentecost) are really tied together and it would cause confusion if another group of people kept their Passover in the middle of this period. A second Passover on 5/15 blends beautifully with the other feast on 7/1.
And just in case anyone doubts whether the “second month” as used in 2 Chronicles 30 means month number 2, continue reading to find this:
2 Chronicles 31:7 In the third month they began to lay the foundation of the heaps, and finished them in the seventh month.
This shows that they did keep Passover in month number 2 – it is followed by mention of months numbered 3 and 7 with no intervening celebrations. |
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berkano
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Posted - 03 May 2004 : 19:51:49
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Originally posted by Robert-James
Walter,
The English use the term 8 days for a week. The Beatles even recorded a song, "8 days a Week". Maybe the English kept an ancient tradition?
I just saw your post and here is a snippet I placed in another thread earlier.
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Yahweh hallowed and sanctified the seventh day of the week of creation. But the creation began one day before the seventh, if you will read the Genesis account carefully. The seventh day is the seventh day of the week but the eight day of the sabbath cycle. Look again. God created all things spiritually before he put them on the earth physically. The sabbath is a day of *spiritual* work only,
which is why we are commanded to rest from all *material* labor. Thus Genesis contains two accounts of the creation that seem to contradict each other on some points unless one looks to see the first account was the spiritual, not material, creation, and this spiritual creation occured on the first sabbath day before the seven-day material work week! It was common to refer to a sabbath cycle as an eight-day week in ancient times, meaning from one sabbath to
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Tiza
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Posted - 04 May 2004 : 16:55:21
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Originally posted by Walter
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Originally posted by Robert-James
Please notice on what day the sun and moon were brought forth. So we are not talking about 24 hour periods. "And He spoke not unto them without parables".
There is no record as to when the moon was "brought forth." Its first mention is at Genesis 37:9. Genesis 1:16 talks about lights, or luminaries, those things which generate light, not reflect it. Therefore the moon's first appearance is a mystery. There is evidence it was not here from the beginning <g>, "Arcadians . . . are of a race that predates the moon." (Citation provided to me: Ovid. Fasti (Roman Holidays) Translated by Betty Rose Nagle. Bloomington & Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 1995. Book 2 Line 289.)
It does not matter whether the "days" of creation were 24 hour days, 1000 year days, or ages, the pattern and precident is that a day starts with the night and ends at the end of the daylight. The various verses I referenced in my compilation seem suffiecient evidence to me.
Hi, Walter:
Yes, it does matter how long the creation week days are, and each were normal 24-hour days, which you can prove by being logical and reasoning it out.
First, take the Hebrew term "yom," which can refer to a 24-hour day, any period of time, to an age. For example, a day of Yahweh is as 1,000 years. So it is depending upon its context. And while it's true that each day of the creation period stands for a prophetic 1,000-year period in time -- for example, we are at the end of the 6th day -- it is also a 24-hour day. One thing that you can tell is that each day in Gen. 1 has this statement: "and there was an arab (twilight) and there was a baqar (morning twlight)..." Arab and baqar both refer to a period of twlight.
Next, we are told in Exodus 20:9-11, "because in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all which is in them..."
And most importantly, Day 4, the luminaries were made to appear in the heavens, which means they preexisted but they were not previously seen until Day 4. As a matter of fact the correct translation says that they were made to appear, the great luminary (sun); and the lesser luminary (moon) and the stars. It also says they are for signs, the moadim (appointed times). So before this time there was no lighting from the sun.
DAY 3: Mushrooms can grow in the dark, but flowers, veggies, fruit trees require sunlight, and the luminaries were
hidden until Day 4. Also, flowers require pollenation from bees and they were not created until DAY 6.
Do you see what I'm saying here? If each day was 1,000 years or so, not very many things would have survived.
Which brings me to discuss this verse, Gen. 1:3-5a:
"And eloahim said: Let there be light (aur). And there was light. And eloahim saw the light that it was good; and eloahim divided the light from the khoshek (darkness). And eloahim called aur daylight and for darkness he called night."
One of the keys to understand what "light" (aur) Yahweh is talking about is studying the Hebrew words. He's not talking about sunlight here. Also study the word for khoshek (darkness). For example, the darkness can mean misery, death, ignornance, sorrow, wickedness, etc.
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Walter
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Posted - 05 May 2004 : 11:48:11
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Thank you, Tiza, for the explanation for 24-hour days in the creation. It makes sense.
I think my original point, though, about the actual length not mattering in regard to the ORDER of night then day is still valid.
It's also worth considering that maybe sometimes God gives what's needed when it's actually needed, and not before - flowers didn't get their needed light until the next day. Maybe there's a life-lesson in that. |
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Walter
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Posted - 19 May 2004 : 18:14:00
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May 22 & 23 are the days of Pentecost (for which I will be unable to get to the internet, so I am posting early).
3/4-5 - Pentecost
Pentecost is at the end of the Feast of Weeks, counted from the day of the Wave Offering, Abib 16 (Lev. 23:15).
This part recapitulates what I wrote on the Feast of Weeks:
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Levitcus 23:
15* ¶ And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16* Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
The seven sabbaths of the Feast of Weeks constitute fifty days, the sabbath of the forty-ninth day being continued to the next day, making fifty total days. This shows that God intended the fiftieth day to be part of an extended seven weeks. This requires that the *procedure* for keeping the sabbath includes a "stutter-step" on these days, incrementing one day – as regards modern days of the week – which day is the sabbath. (I believe a similar procedure is required on "leap-years" waiting for the vernal equinox (VE).)
The commanded sabbath rest for the land, as given in Leviticus 25:8-11, follows a similar pattern to that for the Feast of Weeks: the forty-ninth year is a sabbath rest followed by another year of sabbath rest on the following, fiftieth, year. This pattern duplicates the one for the 49th & 50th days of Pentecost, confirming to me (as I believe Biblical patterns are followed multiple ways) that Pentecost is a two-day sabbath.
These days are seen as preparation days, when the children of Israel were to wash their clothes (Exodus 19:10) and abstain from sexual relations (Ex. 19:15), among other things. Reading Exodus 19 carefully one sees that it is the third and fourth days of the third month that are the days of this preparation. These days (3/3 and 3/4) are the 49th and 50th days as counted from 1/16 (the day of the wave offering).
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The double sabbath appears to show itself in Luke 6:1 (KJV):
And it came to pass on the second <1207> sabbath after the first <1207>, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
This is the only occurrence of the word deuteroprotos in the New Testament.
1207 deuteroprotos {dyoo-ter-op'-ro-tos}
from 1208 and 4413;; adj
AV - second after the first 1; 1
1) second-first
2) the second of the first Sabbaths after the feast of the Passover
While there might be conflicting interpretations (e.i. the second definition), I believe this refers to a double sabbath, that of Pentecost – why else is there a special word for it, except that two sabbaths be joined together?
This double sabbath is part of the procedure for keeping God’s commanded sabbaths. It means that neither Sunday nor Saturday is necessarily the sabbath. Everything is tied to the VE, being the first sabbath of the year, or Abib 1. |
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Linc
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Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 13:20:39
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Many pages on the net claim that the start of the Israelite year depended on the sun AND moon. Charles Wesley Ewing says that it only depended on the sun, and that seems to be the position of the posters here. I am inclined to adopt this position myself, because it makes sense and is far more orderly than the Jewish system.
However, can anyone show me biblical or archaelogical proof (no arguments from silence) that the Israelite year was a solar year? Also, Mr. Ewing said the months were 30 days each, and every half year either 3 or 2 days were added on to keep in sync. |
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The Biblical (Solar) Calendar
