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Robert-James
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Posted - 04 Feb 2004 :  21:40:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
meanwhile, 4,000 WOMEN decide to kill the life within the womb...daily in the U.S. No wonder Father had the Eve's trangress first. Anyone still living as a U.S. tax paying citizen is guilty by association...still happy and content being known as an ALL CAP U.S. citizen? You...choose this Day who ye shall serve. And the words out of thy very own mouth shall judge you at the "Last Day". Please my dear friends, count the cost, and leave babylon, i.e. the U.S. CORPORATION...administered by the gnomes of Switzerland. The watchmen are still on the wall. Go read Ezekiel, if in doubt. We have come full circle.
Manuel, it does not take the STATE to be the only one to bust up families! WOMEN-Jezebel's do this daily. Jezebel will not...conceive with the truth.
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BatKol
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Posted - 04 Feb 2004 :  22:07:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Robert-James said: Now, how can one certify the second birth? That begs an answer. Any willing to respond?

BatKol: Here is the real paradox. We know that in Melchezidek (Now) there is no father, nor mother, no male nor female, no birth nor death. We are also told that flesh and blood can not enter the Kingdom and that flesh can not please YHWH. Add this understanding
to the allegorical second birth and the process of being "born again".
These "concepts" are hopefully planting the realization that "we" are not these ever-changing bodies, and these streams of thought and opinions hovering above what seems to be our heads. No matter how you spell my Name or NAME... it's not me. Never was. Such a light burden, not the heavy yoke of trying to perfect what can not and never will be Eternal.

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BatKol
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 :  08:46:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Robert-James said: it does not take the STATE to be the only one to bust up families! WOMEN-Jezebel's do this daily. Jezebel will not...conceive with the truth.

BatKol: you forgot to mention self-delusion, spouse cruelty, and ego tripping. All can take a family down. But past even all of this:
YHWH is the One who does the doing.. Only YHWH . You go on and on about blaming woman .. it's YHWH . There is no one to blame.. Literally .... YHWH is the only sovereign. We are all just script actors playing out His will.... be it for good or evil (dual illusion).... Science even begrudingly must admit that there really is no "free will". Studies have proven that there is about a 300 millisecond lag happening when the "info" is received by the senses and re-cognized into consciousness. During a pro tennis serve the receiver responds to the serve faster than the senses and consciousness can 'process' the event. Talk about living in the Now!!



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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 :  13:45:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert-James
Now, how can one certify the second birth? That begs an answer. Any willing to respond?

Robert James and Batkol:

We cannot recall having seen anywhere in Scripture where Yahweh commands that either a first birth or a second birth be "certified".

Perhaps what Romans 8:16 states is the approriate way for a man or a woman to know, for themselves, whether or not the second birth has occurred...Perhaps no certification is appropriate.

Romans 8:16...(Yahweh's) Spirit itself testifies(1) with our spirit, that we are the children of Yahweh:...

(1)testifies...How? Because we agree with His Laws. We are in unity with Yahweh.

Marty

Edited by - Cornerstone Foundation on 22 Jan 2005 14:27:19
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earlthomas
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Posted - 05 Mar 2004 :  19:51:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The new york times published a half page
the San francisco Chronicle published a 2 page article on Birth Certificates in @ 1997.
A birth certificate Regis-ters you boy or girl
(which then Converts them into a CHILD.)
The article went on to tell how Bolivia or Belize had a low Regis-tration rate and how you can get government jobs or loans if you have one but not otherwise.
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DanielJacob
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Posted - 08 Mar 2004 :  23:31:22  Show Profile  Visit DanielJacob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Greetings brothers,

I found a very interesting and illuminating article on the following site:

http://law.wlu.edu/clinics/lawreview/TOC/TOCvol59iss4.htm

Scroll down to "The Devil in U.S. v. Jones". While the piece is a bit long it is well worth the read.
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God is Love
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 :  19:14:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all,

On the topic of birth certificates, I have some questions. First off, I would like to point out that I am still learning (always will be), so my statements may not be 100% accurate. If they are not, please point this out to me.

In essence, when an application for record of birth is filled out and signed, this is the first step (second one being the ssn) in the process of changing state citizenship into U.S. citizenship. Later comes preschool enrollment, then school enrollment, then w-4's, bank accounts, accepting presentments, selective service, jury duty summons, and driver's licenses.

At any rate, it would seem to me that in order to nip this ungodly power over us (which we actually provided to them ourselves via our unconditional signature on negotiable instruments/contracts) in the bud, is to go back and revoke or rescind any and all signatures that we have made unconditionally.

Is anyone here experienced and successful in revoking/rescinding past signatures? Anyone know if it is indeed possible? If so, could someone please share that information with me?

Interesting thing, when my son was born, this supposed "voluntary" signature on the application for record of birth was pretty much coerced out of my wife and I. They told us that we wouldn't be permitted to leave without signing it. Is there some way to revoke/rescind the signature on that document as well?

Any info on the topic of revocation/rescindment of unconditional signatures I would gratefully accept! Please, if you have such information, do share! Feel free to email me off list if you like.

May YHWH bless you all!

"We now know that the unborn child is an aware, reacting human being who from the sixth month on (and perhaps even earlier) leads an active emotional life."----The Secret Life of the Unborn Child
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Robert-James
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 :  21:49:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi God,
we had ShekinYah 13 years ago in a hospital, because we could not find a midwife who would handle my older wife after five children, the last being a C-section. My wife refused the ss# application, which the witches checked the box anyway, on the certificate of live birth. Weeks later we were noticed by SS that the number was issued, and she called many at SS, mostly Negro women, who thought she was nuts for refusing the opportunity to receive FREE benefits. Finally she talked with a white man, who understood, and said that he would rescend the SS#, as we asked NOT for it. If ShekinYah ever applies for the SS#, she will be issued most probably THAT same #. Till then, neither she, nor her parents APPLIED for the #. ShekinYah never was issued shots by DR.s nor went to GOVT. schools...she is clean. THEY can do as they will, and we also. No joinder occurs, till one accepts BENEFITS from the GOVT.
A Law maxim is noteful: the Law of blood and Kin {Abrahamic covenants} can not be overcome by civil law. Civil law is the law of Rome. Just never use nor accept THEIR number, for it is always THEIR number, never yours, unless you use-accept the numbering of the beast. In David's Day, Benyamin and Levi would not be numbered in David's satanic numbering census. As her guardian, does your child have a number? You are the headship on this matter. Many PARENTS to serve MAMMON, include their children's ss# on 1040 forms, so as to save cash. If they only knew that they were passing their children through the fire unto Moloch!!! Once passed over to the other god, someday that child will have to pass through the Fire of YaHuWeH to get back into the Kingdom. Called the baptism of Fire, which you and your helpmeet shall surely have to deal with. I would be well pleased to go private with y'all, but have no e-mail for you. mine is...[email protected]
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God is Love
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 :  22:02:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you, Robert-James!

I will contact you off list.

May YHWH continue blessing you and yours!

Mount Fuji----"without equal"
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Manuel
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 :  22:51:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
God is Love,
"Hey" I once was on Mount Fuji! It is a beautiful Mountain, and about twelve thousand two hundred and eighty eight feet tall. Two big craters up there. They say it is inactive. There was a little Jar-Head base down on the base of the mountain called, "CAMP FUJI." That was during the days of old when I was AN ACTIVE VOLUNTEER, through my consent. It was a very steep climb up to the top, pea-rock size vulcanic pebbles... for every step... go down half a step. On the way down,the total down time (running) is approximately one third the up time. The boot-lui (second lieutenant)on the way up handed me the PRC-77 (RADIO) on the last hundred or so meters, therefore reaching up there first during the climb - "Rank has its priviledges" they say :)

I tell you brother, but there is no mountain higher than Fathers Mountain top, and similar to the days of old... nothing can close the doors of heaven on your face, no matter how heavy the burden placed upon your back.

Edited by - Manuel on 22 Mar 2004 22:54:06
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God is Love
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Posted - 29 Mar 2004 :  18:58:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Manuel

God is Love,
"Hey" I once was on Mount Fuji! It is a beautiful Mountain, and about twelve thousand two hundred and eighty eight feet tall. Two big craters up there. They say it is inactive. There was a little Jar-Head base down on the base of the mountain called, "CAMP FUJI." That was during the days of old when I was AN ACTIVE VOLUNTEER, through my consent. It was a very steep climb up to the top, pea-rock size vulcanic pebbles... for every step... go down half a step. On the way down,the total down time (running) is approximately one third the up time. The boot-lui (second lieutenant)on the way up handed me the PRC-77 (RADIO) on the last hundred or so meters, therefore reaching up there first during the climb - "Rank has its priviledges" they say :)

I tell you brother, but there is no mountain higher than Fathers Mountain top, and similar to the days of old... nothing can close the doors of heaven on your face, no matter how heavy the burden placed upon your back.




Manuel,

Please forgive the pause before my reply.

That must have been an incredible experience to say the least!!

And I pray that despite the burdens we bear, none of us fall by the wayside for fatigue!

Mount Fuji was originally written in characters that meant "without equal," thus my quote.

And, yes, as former of the mountains, our and their Creator proclaims His own praise!

Some interesting facts and quotes on mountains:

Nearly 1/4 of the earth's surface is covered with mountains.

The Himalayas and the Andes were shaped by huge pieces of the earth's crust moving upward from deep within the earth.

Our lives depend upon the mountains. They are nature's water towers.
All major rivers are fed from mountain sources. Half the people on earth depend on the mountains for water.

New Scientist: "six of the world's 20 major food plants originate in the mountains."

The European Alps, including Mount Civetta, are also incredible peaks.

The only mountains I have seen that I can remember, were the Rocky Mountains.

I have seen pictures and read about other mountains, and can only imagine the awe of looking upon such mountains as the Alps with their icy, snow-covered crests, ridges and slopes, valleys, lakes and meadows. So much earth to explore and so very little money to do so! To me it is such a shame that the world has come to such a state, barring free travel.

There are also the hills in Guilin, China, that are said to be beautiful. Along the Li River, protruding limstone pinnacles pile one upon the other. You can find pictures of the crystal clear, calm and yet misty waters moving along through these "hills."

10 percent of the world's population lives in mountainous areas.

The animals living in the mountains are absolutely incredible testaments to the Creator. The mountain goat, in particular the horned Nubian ibex, one of the most surefooted of the dwellers of mountainous regions, venture along ledges that are so narrow they appear to be impossible to pass. This ibex actually lives in these practically impossible to access areas. The cleft of the goat's hoof is able to expand under it's weight, providing a firm footing for the animal when moving about on the narrow, rocky areas. Truly incredible creations!

I have no doubt these beautiful land masses were created by our Maker as much for our enjoyment as for the ecology of the earth.

Of course, as you've said, nothing compares to the beauty of our Creator!

When the Creator returns all ecological balance will be restored to its former state, despite our wear and tear over the ages on his incredible self-healing planet. Surely it will take a lot of work on our part to undo the harm that we have done as a race.

Amos chapter 4 verse 13: "For, look! the Former of [the] mountains and the Creator of [the] wind, and the One telling to earthling man what his mental concern is, the One making dawn into obscurity, and the One treading on earth's high places, YHWH the God of armies is his name.""

Psalm chapter 95 verse 4: "He in whose hand are the inmost depths of the earth And to whom the peaks of the mountains belong;"

Job chapter 38 verses 4 through 6: "Where did you happen to be when I founded the earth? Tell [me], if you do know understanding. Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched out upon it the measuring line? Into what have its socket pedestals been sunk down, Or who laid its cornerstone,"

Psalm chapter 104 verse 13: "He is watering the mountains from his upper chambers, With the fruitage of your works the earth is satisfied."

Psalm chapter 72 verse 16: "There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; On the top of the mountains there will be an overflow. His fruit will be as in Leb'-a-non, And those who are from the city will blossom like the vegetation of the earth."

2 Peter chapter 3 verse 13: "But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell."

Psalm chapter 98 verse 8: "Let the rivers themselves clap their hands; All together let the very mountains cry out joyfully"

Psalm chapter 65 verse 6: "He is firmly establishing the mountains with his power; He is indeed girded with mightiness."

Psalm chapter 147 verse 8: "The One who is covering the heavens with clouds, The One preparing rain for the earth, The One making the mountains to sprout green grass."

Isaiah chapter 52 verse 7: "How comely upon the mountains are the feet of the one bringing good news, the one publishing peace, the one bringing good news of something better, the one publishing salvation, the one saying to Zion: "Your YHWH has become king!""

Psalm chapter 104 verse 18: "The high mountains are for the mountain goats; The crags are a refuge for the rock badgers."

Psalm chapter 104 verse 10: "He is sending springs into the torrent valleys; Between the mountains they keep going on."

Psalm chapter 76 verse 4: "You are enveloped with light, more majestic than the mountains of prey."

Mount Fuji----"without equal"
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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 :  14:43:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cornerstone Foundation(see page 5 of this topic...the post is date 1/19/2004G 8:20:50 PM.)

The young mother gave birth at 2:27 A. M. 1-17-04 Gregorian Calendar to a healthy boy.

The hospital personnel continued to pressure them for the information to send the STATE so that a BIRTH CERTIFICATE could be issued.

The father requested that we meet with the hospital personnel to discuss the matter.

We met late that afternoon.

We told the hospital personnel:
1. The parents have not made a final decision on the child's name yet.
2. {We may have stated that} the parents had a religious objection to providing the information.
3. We would prefer to prepare a proposed Affidavit of Live Birth ourselves for the doctor and nurse to sign and for the parents to keep for themselves.

The hospital personnel agreed to that and the "free baby" and the parents went home the afternoon of 1-18-04G without further incident.

We want to thank all of you for your guidance and support.

If anyone has suggestions of what should be included in the "Affidavit of Live Birth" please let us know.

Marty


Earlier this week we were invited to a gathering on the 1 year anniversary of the birth of the child referred to above.

The "free baby" is healthy and on his way of growing into a "free boy".

The parents have not yet, however, obtained a suitable Affidavit of Live Birth for the attending doctor and nurses to sign.

It is our hope that someone reading this will either post an example of an Affidavit of Live Birth or its equivalent and/or contact us privately at [email protected] with information on where such a document can be obtained or what verbage it should properly include.

Thank you, for giving this your attention. Your help is appreciated.

Best Regards,

Marty

Edited by - Cornerstone Foundation on 20 Jan 2005 16:25:01
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David Merrill
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 :  16:20:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are the doctors and nurses pestering for the document? Like some kind of bill collectors? Or maybe Social Services?

Affiant infers swearing - affidavit.

In contemplation the young man may want to acquire a driver license (which requires no SSN if you look carefully) or for any reason want a Birth Certificate in the future, why not make an asseveration of fact? Simply call for two or three witnesses - doctors and nurses to sign a paper that acknowledges the fact that this boy "True Name of the Family nomen family" was born at this exact moment at such hospital, healthy and without defect or complication. Record it at the county recorder and offer a certified copy to the hospital.

Specify the certified copy is only for the hospital's records. The county records are satisfied already. You do not wish the young man registered in commerce through the birth certificate process. Somebody somewhere will probably redact the asseveration into commercial form to satisfy "the law". Even if they do, teach the young man his name and that he is who he says he is and until he decides to get into contracts with the world, he is not in any contracts with the world.

The following evidence of contract has no effect on me whatsoever. I have signed nothing "David M. Van Pelt" for well over a decade. If I wanted to use that trust entity I would sign "David Merrill dba DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT". My name is obviously "David Merrill" and I was born into the Van Pelt family. Notice my father's name is "Philip Jansen" and my mother is "Louanne"*. This paperwork is not even mine. I borrowed it from my mother to file it when I understood how it could be used to prove assumpsit. I suppose the certified copy you are looking at is mine because I paid for it at my clerk's office. But it is not mine until I say so. And I can disown it instantly if it suits me. Like that:

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification2.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification3.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification4.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification5.jpg
Registration as chattel by Birth Certificate



Regards,

David Merrill.

* You know her better "Lucy Van Pelt" because our families have been life-long friends with Sparky Shulz, the famous cartoonist.

Edited by - David Merrill on 19 Jan 2005 16:35:35
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Bondservant
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 :  19:34:40  Show Profile  Visit Bondservant's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
It is our hope that someone reading this will either post an example of an Affidavit of Live Birth or its equivalent and/or contact us privately at [email protected] with information on where such a document can be obtained or what verbage it should properly include.
Marty,

Click the blue floppy icon links in the first two posts in this thread. I believe the examples given will answer your question.


He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. - Mark 12:27
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David Merrill
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Posted - 20 Jan 2005 :  17:15:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is very interesting, the correspondence between Mr. Jones and the State of Florida. It looks like he successfully pulled his daughter from being registered in commerce. http://ecclesia.org/forum/uploads/bondservant/bcertP.pdf

I think the reasons can be traced to Franklin D. Roosevelt's speech before the State Governor's Convention on March 6, 1933 when he clearly said, "If people can be persuaded to follow these new forms..." (paraphrased). The presumption is that the parents were persuaded until they squalked differently about it, defeating the presumption.

Also I think for Colorado you would find the first form is the same thing Mr. Jones acquired. That is the report that was sent to the State and they produced the second all-upper case Certificate in commerce. It proves the same thing anyway - the legal name designated for my first choice of one is "David Merrill Van Pelt". The comment on the bottom of the back "certification2" corresponds exactly with Mr. Jones' experience with the registry in the State of Florida. [I am a little annoyed the Sister thought to put two "a"s in upper case "A".]

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification2.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification3.jpg

Looking closely at the correspondence Mr. Jones knew his daughter's name and the family nomen but I do not think he knows putting them together creates a legal name, upper and lower case too. See "Name" and "Legal name" hold that definition in common in Black's Fifth Edition law dictionary. The legal name is what is held assumpsit of a binding social (citizenship) contract. At least here in Colorado and proven by a lot of experience with abatement for misnomer. So long as I do not sign anything "David Merrill Van Pelt" then there is no holding me accountable for The "David Merrill Van Pelt" (vessel in admiralty).

So pondering it over. If I were to request a copy of Document 1 "DAvid Merrill VAn Pelt" from county health, I would likely receive Document 2 "DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT". Then if I took it back they would request I return Document 2 and give me Document 1, "destroying" Document 2 and replacing it with Document 1 in the county health records. From that time forward people would not find record of DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT because it will be sealed from public viewing.

So long as I am careful to let them see clearly my name is "David Merrill" and that the document clearly pertains to my birth, there should be no problems with presumption I am dawning the legal identity "David Merrill Van Pelt".




Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. This correction is quite fetching. Suppose I encounter trouble with the county health department or the clerk and recorder. Supposing they refuse to replace the DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT documentation with the correctly spelled David Merrill Van Pelt documentation [and indication is to seal it from public viewing - commercial verification of registry]; could I go to the district attorney with a complaint about falsification of information? My and even my parents' consent to redact the name into commerce was presumed by the State of Colorado. I should be able to defeat that presumption like Mr. Jones did for his infant daughter.


Edited by - David Merrill on 21 Jan 2005 09:22:43
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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 :  11:11:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[teal]David Merrill wrote...

I think the reasons can be traced to Franklin D. Roosevelt's speech before the State Governor's Convention on March 6, 1933 when he clearly said, "If people can be persuaded to follow these new forms..." (paraphrased). The presumption is that the parents were persuaded until they squalked differently about it, defeating the presumption.
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:

Yes, David, that does appear to be a key.

It may be that men and woman are commanded to not be persuaded. It seems that we have a responsibility to keep ourselves from being deceived.

Best Regards,

Marty

Edited by - Cornerstone Foundation on 21 Jan 2005 11:16:49
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 :  12:51:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David Merrill
That is very interesting,....

It looks like he successfully pulled his daughter from being registered in commerce....

I think the reasons can be traced to Franklin D. Roosevelt's speech before the State Governor's Convention on March 6, 1933 when he clearly said, "If people can be persuaded to follow these new forms..." (paraphrased).

The presumption is that the parents were persuaded until they squalked differently about it, defeating the presumption.

Regards,

David Merrill.

Cornerstone Foundation wrote:

In our opinion, David is presenting a concept of high significance in the quote above.

Much of what we are told we must do and/or asked to do by those who are enslaved to the Babylonian System, are commands or requests based on presumptions.

Even in their code, there are very few presumptions that are indentified as conclusive presumptions.

Even by their own words, any presumption that is
not specifically listed as a conclusive presumption is a disputable presumption that can be overcome by controverting evidence.

The way the Babylonian System view things is that if you do not dispute a disputable presumption the presumption stands as fact.

It appears to us that when you dispute the disputable presumption; by doing so you "knock the ball back into their side of the court" and now what you have stated as fact is the new disputable presumption which stands as fact until someone else controverts it with evidence. If you have communicated the proper converting evidence to support your "new fact" they are not able to overcome that.

We perceive that one who grasps this one simple concept and uses it, has made a giant step toward freedom from the Babylonian System.

When the birth we referred to above in this topic occurred, about a year ago, the father of the child contacted us from the hospital. He indicated that some of the hospital administration people had brought to him a copy of the statute in the Montana Code Annotated (MCA) at 50-15-221. They were telling him that it is “the law” that you have to cooperate in filing a STATE Certificate of Birth for your son.

We read the statute and then told the father of the child that the statute when carefully read shows that all the obligations for filing anything are on the “licensed health care facility”. None of those obligations were incumbent on the parents.

The statute itself reinforced our position where it states at….
quote:
MCA 50-15-221 (8)

Either the parent of the child, or another informant, shall verify the accuracy of the personal data to be entered on the certificate in order to permit the filing of the certificate within the time prescribed in subsection (1)….
What we were communicating to the father of the child was that his foremost obligation was to the child rather than to the “licensed health care facility” who had chosen to put themselves into a situation where they must obey the statute.

It appears the writer of the statute was savvy enough to not only know that statutes apply to those who waive unalienable rights in return for a license which grants them privileges….but also knew that remedy must be provided, in the statute, for those such as the father of the child, who did not choose to voluntarily waive there unalienable rights.

Without such an “escape” provision in the statute, it is our opinion that the statute would not pass constitutional muster if a properly framed challenge was launched against it.

The Law Book that we are bound to obey says...
quote:
at 2 Kepha(Peter)2:2-3...

...And many will follow their destructive ways, and because of them, the way of truth will be evil spoken of.

and in their covetetousness shall they with feigned fashioned, made up words make merchandise of you...
We say....He who has ears let him hear!

Respectfully submitted,

Marty

Edited by - Cornerstone Foundation on 21 Jan 2005 13:18:33
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David Merrill
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Posted - 21 Jan 2005 :  13:25:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Right on.

When a policeman was telling me he had to have my Date of Birth I explained that was because his supervisor required it. I was not accountable to his supervisor; he was.
quote:
Dr. Wayne Dyer

You can never solve a problem by condemning it.
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_FibbSpiral.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_FibbSpiral1.jpg

Edited by - David Merrill on 21 Jan 2005 20:11:44
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Werner Maximilian
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Posted - 28 Jan 2005 :  13:55:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My sister, a widow with three children, asked,"Wouldn't I be more of a burden on the family if I didn't take social security payments?" I said,"Yes, but thats' our responsibility."

What occurs to me is this fiction called, "Government" is being used to supplant the roll of men in society, a virtual man that has become the head of the household that demands everyone in the house give their all for the support of the family.

Now, anyone thats had to have the support of family knows the strings that can come with that arrangement, the embarassment, the constant critisism about how your living and what you should (in their opinion) be doing. Your life is no longer yours.

The virtual father takes all that away and even passes laws to stop people that may not approve of your lifesyle from commenting on your acceptance of his largess. Ah, your life becomes your own again.

All this might not even be so bad if the virtual father wasn't a lazy, gluttenous, alcoholic, child beating, murdurous, thieving, control freak.

Therein lies the problem for men that don't approve of this situation. It comes down to a war of ideology. On the one side are men who believe they are head and act accordingly, but in order to do that they need control of many aspects of their lives, not the least being complete control of their finances. This comes into direct conflict with virtual father and his increasingly growing and insatiable extended family with their distorted view that its O.K. to steal (but never ,ever call it that) from everyone outside the family to keep them in the life they have come to expect.

As I see it, the mechanism of war between the two is the Social Security system and its' enormous entitlement programs and the idea in its'supporters heads' that "government" is the source of magical free money for all.

Good luck with that thinking because men are the source of that wealth.(I know, God is.) And good luck to us when every thing you have is no longer enough to satisfy them.

So it does seem that the key is the Social Security number attached to a Birth Certificate attached to an ALL CAPS legal name. Hmmm. If we just didn't have to have one of those.

I salute you brave souls that do not use them.

Werner Maximilian

Edited by - Werner Maximilian on 28 Jan 2005 14:23:25
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Caleb
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Due to the length of this topic, I have started a new post that relates closely to this one titled:

"BERTH" Certificates

"Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end"
Isaiah 9:7
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