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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
USA
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 Posted - 26 Oct 2003 : 17:56:42
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Hello Bretheren!
I see that there are many well informed and sincere believers here! It is so refreshing to see a group where many realize how "Ceasar" has become the counterfeit ("antiChrist"- "in place of Christ")god of this world.
It has been impressed on me for some time, that I should physically leave Babylon. I have already left the capital of Babylon- New York City, for rural KY.- but I feel that my present locale is just a training ground, and that it would be most prudent to leave the US entirely when God provides the way and the means.
Questiuon is: Where to go? I want to be in the true wilderness, where one can live purely free- and apart from the compulsions of Ceasar. A place where property rights are respected and revered (for where one has property rights- one has "human rights"- where property rights are oppressive or socialistic, one does not even have the right to exist)
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2003 : 23:19:47
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Greetings In the name of Yahshua, the Messiah,
You see my friend, “He is not here to abolish the laws, but to fulfill the laws.” “For the Son of man is not here to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” That which is lost is only hidden by those who do not want to reveal their sins through His Laws.
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship hath rightousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness.”
Error juris nocet. Error of Law is injurious.
Fictio juris non est ubi veritas. Where truth is, fiction of law does not exist.
Non est certandum de regulis juris. There is no disputing about rules of law
Summa Ratio est quae pro Religione facit. If ever the laws of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the latter. “All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.” First Corinthians 6:12
Legatos violare contra jus gentium est. It is contrary to the law of nations to do violence to ambassadors. “Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ. II Corinthians 5:20
Dios con vosotros,
Manuel |
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Caleb
Advanced Member
Philippines
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Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 14:08:55
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Dear PopeSquasher,
The Spirit has moved us similarly, and perhaps by comparing experiences we can better discern what direction the next step might be.
After 9/11 I felt compelled to leave Babylon physically, and for me that did mean leaving the U.S. We sold everything and moved here to New Zealand. It wouldn't take long to learn that we had not fully left Babylon. Some things are better here (less commercialism), but don't come here looking for respect for property rights. All the property here is owned by the same banksters who own the U.S.
Yet the Father told me it would be a time in the wilderness, and it has been. I also sense that this is more of a training ground than a final destination. I am grateful to be outside the U.S. at present, but am open to wherever the Father wants to send me next. I now know that there is no physical place (like a Galt's Gulch) where I can go to escape the clutches of Babylon. Instead I am looking for where God is raising up likeminded believers.
I have a brother still in the heart of Babylon (NYC) who is a believer, and is in no rush to leave. I know he is trapped. He cannot see what has him bound. You definitely made a good choice simply by moving to a rural location. When we came here, having left a large city ourselves (Atlanta), the Spirit led us to a very rural location as well. As a result, we have learned many life skills we could never have learned in an urban environment.
As for the means to make such a move, we simply packed up and left. We had no well-laid plan, and had to live day by day for quite some time. We did not have lots of money, yet what we had proved to be adequate for our needs. We simply had to make the move in faith, and it did all work out in the end. |
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Lewish
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 19:25:37
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Hello Group,
As for myself and a number of like minded believers, we are also of the belief that we need to get physically out of Babylon. In February, two of us plan to make a journey to purchase a couple hundred thousand acres. I will not say where on this open forum. It is our ultimate intention to start a new nation. One which is sovereign and duly recognized by the powers of the world. We plan to call this country "New Canaan" as we feel it will be a temporary promised land for like minded people. It is not the final destination. Just a place to abide until the Lord leads us to where he needs us to be.
I sincerely hope that others will also wake up and see what the scripture says. "Come out of Babylon my People".
Peace to you all,
Lewis |
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Caleb
Advanced Member
Philippines
209 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 22:08:43
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Dear Lewis,
I think many of us are in hearty agreement with your goals. I would love to hear more if you are willing to share it privately.
However, are you familiar with similar ventures and what has become of them? One I followed for some time is Laissez Faire City (www.lfcity.org). They started out in the 1990's VERY well funded with the goal of purchasing 100 square miles of empty land anywhere on earth that a country would sell it and grant sovereignty. The closest they came to a real offer was some warlords in Somalia. It limped along for several more years as a cyberspace city concept before being disolved last year.
Another one, called New Utopia (www.new-utopia.com), plans to build a city on concrete platforms in the middle of the Caribbean Sea, outside the territorial limits of any nation. This one is at least still in operation, even if they have nothing to show but plans so far. These two examples are the ones that have come the closest to success that I am aware of. They are based more on Ayn Rand style "freedom," not on the perfect law of liberty, so that is the one distinction your venture has.
If you have another angle on this idea that others have overlooked, I know we'd all like to hear about it.
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Lewish
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 11:55:06
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Dear Caleb,
Yes, I have studied what has happened to other such efforts. In almost every case, they attempted to set up something that too closely resembled communism, where everyone was expected to contribute to the group. Also, I feel there other failure point was that they invited people they knew nothing about to join them.
We have some plans in place to exchange benefits for the nation being left for the granting of sovereign nation status. We also plan to have some reciprocal agreements with that nation so that our people can hold dual passports.
Each man, woman or family joining our country will have to be capable of being totally self-sufficient. They will have to be able to purchase a minimum of 100 acres of land to live on. Then each one of these holdings will be treated as an independent state. What goes on in their state is their business, no one elses.
My brother and I will provide land for a community center. It will have a church/meeting building, a library, a school, a gym, and a health clinic. The states will contribute to their upkeep or access will be denied.
You are so right about this being a difficult task to sustain. Of the 10 families and 2 dozen individuals commited to go, I don't expect more than half to stay. Problem is, most people don't really want to be free. It is too much work. They actually have to think for themselves, and provide for their own safety and well being. Most people aren't ready for that.
Well, all I can add is, the Father in Heaven is definitely leading some of us to go. We will try to do our best to follow that leading.
May each of you also find such calling,
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 12:32:03
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Greetings In His name, Yahshua, The Messiah,
During my last read of the Aid & Abbet newsletter, I read of the course on which this community, had come to the conclusion, amongst the many "trials and experimentations," that His Kingdom, was the Way, therefore the three hundred fifty families which came together on the land were to serve Him, or else fall to the same "authority" where escape thru their de facto jurisdiction was failure.
http://www.patriotamerica.com/JackMcLamb/JackMcLamb.htm
The question is: Are they still on the experi-mental stage?
Manuel
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 12:48:44
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Well, I can see that I've found the forum!
Caleb: We sure are on the same track! Back in the 80's I had hoped to move to the peoples republic of New Zealand, or Aussie-land in the future...but when I started doing some investigating, I sqw that they were just as socialistic (or more so) than the US. My current interest lies in a vast wilderness area in South America- as the whole world truly seems top be overspread with Babylon, and I think our only refuge will be in the true wilderness.
Now you got me thinking: What was the pirates' name in Atlas Shrugged? (this is driving me nutz!) Hey, maybe we could start an Atlas Shrugged thread!
The more I look for a place of refuge, the more I bnecome aware of how thoroughly in bondage the world is to Babylonianism. I guess I am lucky, in that I was led to an area here where a little freedom is still preserved- this must be the freest part of America....but yet, every day, I see the Babylonians making inroads (the county next-door has just adopted zoning and land use planning!!) and I know that the freedoms in this little enclave of 5 counties will soon disappear.
Anmd it is amazing, seeing what a little freedom can do- after having lived in NY, where people are statistically "rich", yet have nothing, because comes to them at a price, and most of their money goes for taxes and fees- it is a stark contrast, to see this place, where many people still have flocks and herds, and the freedom to do what they want on their own land- and although they might not have as much money as the NYers, they live a quality of life that is unattainable even to the richest NYer! -like I said though....those freedoms are disappearing quickly though. (It makes me sick to see all the "independent" farmers applying for every subsidy, and voluntarily giving up their sovereignty and at the same time robbing their neighbors!)
Lewis:
What you describe sounds like something I always wished that I could have pursued! I have the same rreservations that Caleb expresses though- as there is really no such thing as sovereignty in this world, where "might makes right"- as evidenced by the crimes the US is committing against iraq- and by the terrorism of such states as Israel.
I believe our best bet is to keep a low profile, and live quietly in the wilderness. Communists and Nazis recognize no sovereignty.
I would be curious to know where New Caanan is going to be though.....in one or two places that are not militarized or industrialized, it just might work...but there is usually not that ammount of land available in such places. It is truly a noble idea though, and I wish you well....and might even wish to be a part of it myself.
Manuel:
I always enjoy your words of wisdom! Just didn't quite catch their relevency to this subject.
Rich
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PopeSquasher
Senior Member
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 12:53:50
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Lewis,
Just read your most recent post. Your idea of dominion and sovereignty is truly biblical! I know I couldn't afford 100 acres, as it's hard just to scrape by in Babylon, but man! I'd like to be a part of that! Sounds like what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote our constitution. -a Galt's Gulch for believers! |
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 14:03:43
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“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.” ~Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
A Dios,
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gsgkill
Regular Member
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 01:33:32
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Through out history evil people have sought to control the money tree. In the days of Jesus Christ the moneychangers traded silver coins to the Jews for gold coins so the Jews could tithe . The silver coin, was with out a pagan emperors face. The Priests of the temple were corrupt and allowed moneychangers within the temple walls. Jesus threw out the moneychangers and called them a den of Thieves. The Priests sought to kill Jesus. Strong Exhaustive Concordance is a dictionary with the original Hebrew and Greek words from the King James Bible. Each word in the Bible if it was in the original translation of the scriptures has a corresponding number with each word. By looking up the number in Strong's you can find the definition of each word. The King James is old English. Many words in old English doesn't mean the same today. Like the word before means against in most cases. Today Daniel chapter seven verse eight has meaning. Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (1)Bank of North America 1779-1785, (2) First Bank of the United States 1791-1811 (3) Second Bank of the United States. 1816-1837. These were the first 3 attempts on the same continent to control the world through the system of money. This can be found in history. The little horn is Strong's word 7162 which links to 7161 which means a peak of a mountain or a corner of an alter and sunrays. Word 5869 the English translators said eyes instead of eye thinking the animal horn belonged to an animal and it must have had eyes. But today that shape has meaning and the plural word eyes is actually singular eye. So in this shape with the sun rays there was one eye of a man. The key word is in it. This scripture Dan 7 verse 8 is uncovered proving we are in the last generation. Also proving we are under the rule of the little horn today in 2003. The triangle with the sunrays and the eye in it, is on the one dollar bill. What is worse the number of the Antichrist the 666 is not a 666 at all. It is 600 60 and 6 it says count the number not add it. The word numbers in Strong's are 1812=600, 1835=60, 1803=6. Six hundred threescore and six. Rev 13:16 And he causeth4160 all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. number706 of his848 name.3686 His word 848 means self, your own, their own. A number for you and a number for me. The he causeth all, the he is not really there. It was added to give understanding. And or it causeth all to receive a mark. This means it causeth all to have their name associated with a number. It is Financial System since we can't buy or sell. Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man;444 and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (600 60 6) Man Greek word 444 From G435 and (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. Man means manfaced an old way of saying a face of a man. On the great image the great seal on the one dollar bill in Latin it says Announcing the Conception of the New Secular order. Secular means without God. In groups of three as pointed out by Bible scripture 600 60 and 6. 600=MDC ,060=CCL , 006=XVI. 3 Greek words into 9 roman numerals = 3 Greek or English words. Download a Roman Number converter from the internet. This means the US one-dollar bill is the marker of the system. It displays a certain mans face and the 600 60 and 6 with the little horn symbol. The image of the beast we give life to. 1933 the US went bankrupt the governors of each state pledged all the citizens' assets to the New Deal to cover the National debt. Gold was called in and transferred to Europe banks.
Money became a note of Debt. There is no money. So if the money the one dollar Reserve Note is the announcing of the Beast Financial System the Image of the Beast is of this systems mirror Rev 13:15 And2532 he had power1325, 846 to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image1504 of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. Here again the he is not there. The word 1325 and 846 and 1325 means power while 846 means self or other persons. We give power to the image of the beast. The image 1504 a likeness of the beast, and is the resemblance of money. The image is, it is not money. It is only likeness of money It is an illusion. The word 4151 life means mental disposition. We think it is asset money there for it is asset money. We give the image of the beast power and we make it live while in fact it is only the image of wealth not wealth but slavery. And word 4352 worship. To adore, to lick the hand that feeds you, to crouch down. As a slave don't you lick the hand which feeds you? There are four groups of people. Group one has their head in the sand. Group two is people who think the Government is doing it wrong and they are the only ones that are right. Group three is the people whom know they are at fault that the Government is right and they learn to move to group four. Group 4 knows that God set up a strong delusion that God controls the Government. Even if the Government doesn't know God controls them. God laid down the laws and if we fail to give God Honor and follow his law then like the Jews we become debtors to the law and we are in dishonor. Jesus came here to set us free. As free people we were to be the creditors and to operate Gods law in honor, free from slavery and from the second death. As living people by operating under Gods law we were to be free People and have a free nation. Because we did not operate under the law set forth by God our enemies have occupied us. There is no Constitution it is gone. Because of Americas Bankruptcy in 1933 there is no lawful money only debtor notes. Congress hid in public law (192) and various acts, laws, which would enable us to operate as free living souls not debtor slaves. Without remedies in law there is no law. What was taken was given back. It was hidden as remedies to the loss of the constitution and lawful money. Group 4 has moved into this area. Group 4 has found the laws and operates without the image of the beast without the fiction money. So lets recap this the he is an it the marker of the beast system is the little Horn on the fiction currency the 600, 60, and 6. And the people chose to live in the world of fiction which gives the image of the beast life which is the factual economic system of slavery. The fiction currency announces the removal of God. So there you have it. The question is, is group four the people that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed or is it group two which can't except they might be wrong that God is in control and want to war with the beast. But that is not all
Verse Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth1by1those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image1 to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Sword word 3162 Probably feminine of a presumed derivative of G3163; a knife, that is, dirk; figuratively war, judicial punishment: - So the Beast system crashed and yet it livied through several miracles (The New Deal) convinced them that dwell on the earth to call Debt an asset.
and the financial system of America and its people suffered judical punsishment. THE SWORD
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True North
Advanced Member
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2003 : 07:21:59
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PopeSquasher
Ragnar Danneskjold was the name of the 'pirate'.
Lewish, I am interested in your project and details. Please keep this forum informed on how you plan to purchase and who the land belongs to (as in how you have to pay - gold and silver? Not info that will compromise your endeavor). Gregory is in the process of removing land from the tax roles and I have some of that info.
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Lewish
Advanced Member
uSA
496 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 00:14:03
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Hi True North,
The land will be a new Sovereign Nation, duly recognized by the United Nations under the Hague Convention treaties.
I am not at liberty to discuss how the land will be acquired. We are interested in obtaining sovereign rights to at least 200,000 acres.
To Gregory and others who are attempting to remove your land from the tax roles. If you really want to keep it, then you might want to consider an arrangement with some International Bankers as the trustees of the trust. Once the United Nations starts taking all land out of private ownership, and you can expect this to begin happening in the next 12 months, if you don't have it in a Corporate Trust, you are going to loose it.
It is time NOW, and I can't emphasize NOW enough, to get your house in order. I believe in 12 months, this country will be in ruin and a total dictatorship. It is going to be far worse than it was in the 1930s when so many people were standing in bread lines. If you do not receive the mark of the beast, you will not buy or sell. Everything is in place. Only the Father is holding it back, until it is finally time.
Just my perspective. All opposing views are just that. I will not argue with any who can not see what is coming, or who wish to deny it.
Peace be with you all,
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True North
Advanced Member
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2003 : 04:12:21
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Thanks Lewis
I figured you wouldn't want to give details as of yet.
By the way, Lawgiver1 who probably wrote the software for this forum, is moving on from his other forum. I don't know if that means the administration of this forum will stop or not. But you may want to round up all your contacts from this forum into an alternate message site, if you haven't already. |
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2003 : 09:00:01
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Greetings In His name, Yahshua.
His Children are known by their fruits.
Why say, "round up all your contacts"?
Manuel |
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True North
Advanced Member
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2003 : 19:29:53
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No evil intent Manuel
Just to get an alternate e-mail for those you want to stay in contact with.
My 'fruits' have already been 'discerned' and found 'wanting' :-( |
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2003 : 21:00:20
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Understood True North,
It is sorrowful to learn when a Good Lawful Christian Man is temporarily "out of touch," for I feel, In Him, as part of His Body, though I am grateful if just the tip of my finger is enough :)
Messiah bless you, I am, your friend,
Manuel |
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True North
Advanced Member
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 04:30:33
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Thanks for understanding Manuel and the friendship
In the spirit of confession; I only hurt myself by denying another access to writings I had put together and then 'advertized'.
I ask that one now to forgive me and allow the curse causeless to disperse. I mean no evil to any. Learning about coercion and its many facades is trying. I am learning to 'cast my bread upon the waters'.
I am learning to cope with ever changing world situations and will quit 'wandering in the wilderness' as will we all.
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 08:35:59
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Greetings, In His name, Yahshua,
True North,
What has happened is between the Almighty and those whom seek His repentance. Let His Spirit guide through and out of that wilderness to where the river meets the vast oceans of His forgiveness. Then His Will will be fulfilled.
Dios En Vosotros,
Manuel |
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Livefree
Advanced Member
USA
270 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 14:16:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Lewish
Just my perspective. All opposing views are just that. I will not argue with any who can not see what is coming, or who wish to deny it.
Peace be with you all,
Lewis
What is coming up, Lewis? Whatever it is that is coming I wish it would hurry up because people have been saying this since the bible was written. |
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Livefree
Advanced Member
USA
270 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 17:58:48
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New book by David Grossack Radical Planet
I haven't ordered it yet because I just received this today:
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