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True North
Advanced Member

USA
163 Posts

Posted - 28 Apr 2003 :  08:21:17  Show Profile
Hey;

Before this discussion gets off a track that I'm following...

My new name (Rev.2:17) will be given to me when I overcome so I don't know it right now, but right now, I'm part of a Kingdom not recognised by the Cain (Gregory's words from ego & path) system? Yes? The church exists of those who are trying to overcome this system (Rev.2:17)? Yes?

One way to pull together is to pay silver or gold for farmland from some individual, get a quit claim deed from him (not filed with the Cain system) and a receipt for payment of the silver to him and then implement all of DanielJacobs measures as noted and as necessary.

Another option is for someone with the gift of giving (Romans 12:1-8, giving is in verse 6) to deed the land to the church trust and each individual pool their resources (Acts 4:35) and gifts from there working as servants to one another as the church. A non commerce entity is not affected (or subject to) by the equity, pope system.

Let us not make the simple hard.

Robert James, you have implemented some of the necessary measures. Please tell how you deal with the land you now sojourn on. Is the pope's tax paid by through another name or do you use an abatement when the claim to tax is made or how do you deal with it?

Lewis, I understand your frustration but take nothing personal.
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True North
Advanced Member

USA
163 Posts

Posted - 28 Apr 2003 :  08:36:09  Show Profile
Robert James

You said, "A goddess was placed atop the Capital building in 1863".

I'm making a timeline for my own reference. I have...

1861: Attempted secession by the Southern states and Fifty millions in demand notes are authorized and they enjoy unlimited legal tender power for the payment of all demands to meet expenses of government.

1862: Legal Tender Laws changed drawing distinctions between various kinds of money issued allowing gold and silver to be the privilege of bankers and bond holders. Coin goes to a premium enhancing wealth of bankers and placing the control of the value of money into hands of organized greed and laying the foundation of stupendous public debt.

1864: The Geneva Convention
Banking Act for bond deposits allows bankers and bond holders to draw their interest in gold one year in advance which they did disposing of it at a high premium to government and to those who paid duties on imported merchandise.

I have little for 1863 can you provide me with more or details of the minerva statue?
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Lewish
Advanced Member

uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 28 Apr 2003 :  12:14:54  Show Profile
True North,

You might want to include Sine Die, March 27, 1861. That is the day a lawful Congress ceased to exist.


Lewis
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Robert-James
Advanced Member

uSA
353 Posts

Posted - 28 Apr 2003 :  22:36:59  Show Profile
True North. {December 2, 1863} the statue of the virgin mother of god {or whatever} was placed upon the dome of the Capital building, by Jesuits. She looks east to her home in the "eternal" city,Rome}. Lincoln was politely sick, and stayed away. Special order #248 of the War Department describes the ceremony! "Rulers of Evil" by Tupper Saussy. www.tuppersaussy.com. A decent book for historical info. Jeff Davis was Jesuit trained, as was Gen. Beauregard, who fired upon Ft. Sumter. Judah Benjamin, the Jewish treasurer of the Confederacy, had much correspondence with the Pope during the war. The only "State" to recognize the Confederacy...yep, the Vatican. Twice was "The world turned upside down", used. Once about the apostles work, and again when the song "The world turned upside down" was played when England surrendered to Americans. And the Vatican wanted the 'protesters' back under her control at whatever cost. The cost was 600,000 lives in the UN-civil war. And martial rule ever since Lincoln's assination...again by Catholics. Get the book, you'll have a few gaps filled in by Tupper. Like I've stated the Vatican has claim to the earth. They say that the Messiah is in heaven, and as long as he is gone, they run the show. And the anti-messiah's buy into the illusion. Most every Christian I have asked state the Popish dogma...Jesus is in heaven. Paul travailed with baby believers till Messiah be formed in them.
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DanielJacob
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USA
138 Posts

Posted - 29 Apr 2003 :  14:38:44  Show Profile  Visit DanielJacob's Homepage
Greetings Brothers,

Just an aside on the statue thing - I believe the statue on the Capital Building is that of Persephone, a Greek-Roman goddess. There is also a statue of Ishtar in the harbor at New York, New York. Some know her as the Statue of Liberty. Ishtar, goddess of spring fertility, was/is also known as the Lightbearer, her name is also sometimes pronounced Easter. Idolatry is everywhere, we just don't know how to recognize it.

As with most all of the theads here we all have differing views on how to approach the problems that we run into. I think there have been some additional good points made about the use of Gold and Silver to purchase the land. I am not opposed to the purchase of land in this manner as I believe we have several examples in scripture where the discription of land purchase is brought up. The primary question here still remains, if the land is in the realm of Caesar, how do we go about getting it back to a freehold? I think we need more concrete evidence of some of the purposed methods that have been propogated throughout the "Patriot movement" for so many years. If these processes worked then surely there would be more evidence. I have heard several of the Patent and other arguments for years and still haven't seen anything that I would "take on faith" so to speak. Still looking.

Peace brothers.

Edited by - DanielJacob on 29 Apr 2003 15:08:35
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Robert-James
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uSA
353 Posts

Posted - 29 Apr 2003 :  17:01:41  Show Profile
Daniel, you are so right about Persephone, as stated by the Jesuits. Though others suspect she is the veiled virgin mary. It matters not, other than her feet stand on top the lawmaking body of the U.S. corp. Certain men have put a "cloud" on the Title deed to land that is paid for. {With frns} This means come time to sell the land for back taxes, the Sheriff must announce from the court house steps that with a clouded Title involved, the land will never receive 'clear title' and can not be sold, or mortgaged. The sharks gathered to devour another house-land, slowly swim away, as they are not interested anymore. Happened to Robrt Deardorff 317-325-2505 in Indiana state. He had a land patent. Check the source to verify. I am only passing this along in good will, without knowing this to be true. I suspect it is.
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doer
Advanced Member

uSA
198 Posts

Posted - 29 Apr 2003 :  19:38:29  Show Profile
Daniel and Robert

You make very good points. ALL "real estate" is technically not good title, because all is recorded in Caesar's domain by his minions, posing as Recording Clerks and other bureaucrats. This is the very reason for the scam called "title insurance." If the title to "real estate" were really "good," then there would be no need for yet another form of extortion. There is a very good essay comparing LAND vs. "real estate," but I do not have the link just now. Perhaps someone else here does.

So there MUST BE A WAY to extricate those Lands from Caesar's grasp, since they DO NOT belong to him, NEVER DID belong to him, and NEVER WILL belong to him -- because, by definition, any part of our Creator's Kingdom CANNOT POSSIBLY belong to evil ones.

Patents are not the answer, because they originate in Caesar. Only returning Land to allodial title seems to be logical, and that does not involve a paper "title." However, PROCESS is required to get back to that condition, and the "paper trail" may prove useful in keeping interlopers at bay. The mere experience of going through the process and being vindicated, will surely give the Landowner substantial confidence to defend his allodial title against anyone. That aire of confidence alone, will fend off all but the most determined enemy.

Be Well,
Doer
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Lewish
Advanced Member

uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 29 Apr 2003 :  20:10:07  Show Profile

Well, as I have posted previously, I have spent some time on the telephone with a gentleman (first name Don) in Tennessee. He removed his property from the county records. He did it by having the county tax assessor issue an appraisal for the land. Note, this is an appraisal by the county, not your yearly tax assessment. He took the appraisal, Accepted it for Value, Returned it with a Bill of Exchange for closure.

That was 8 years ago, and the county hasn't asked him for taxes since. He says, now if you try to look up his property in the county records, it doesn't exist there. It is as if the piece of land was moved elsewhere. Even the title history doesn't exist, or at least is not available to anyone in the public.

Lewis
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doer
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uSA
198 Posts

Posted - 29 Apr 2003 :  20:29:41  Show Profile
Lewis,

You have mentioned this story in the recent past. Can you get the SPECIFICS of this process? -- copies of the actual paperwork involved, possibly with instructions? Perhaps "Don" would reveal his secrets. I would even be willing to compensate him for his time, as would many other prospective Landowners, I am sure.

Be Well,
Doer
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Lewish
Advanced Member

uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 30 Apr 2003 :  01:48:28  Show Profile
Hi George,

Tell me what specifically you don't understand, or what else you need to know, and I will ask him the next time I get a chance to talk to him.

Getting the county tax assessor to appraise your property is the first step. If the assessor refuses, that would be a felony failure to perform his fudiciary responsibility.

The rest of the process requires that you have your UCC-1 filing against your Strawman, and that you have your Treasury Exemption account setup so that you can use the Bill of Exchange.

Tell me what else you need to know. I really doubt that Don will share his paperwork as it contains personal information, such as his SS number.

I am working on my UCC-1 filing paperwork now. Then I will do my Treasury paperwork. Then I will notify the tax assessor by Registered Mail, Restricted Delivery to appraise my property. Then I will Accept for Value the appraisal, and Return it for Closure with the Bill of Exchange. Actually I will probably use a Bond of Discharge. That will remove it from public record.

Together we will be free from Caesar,

Lewis
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DanielJacob
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USA
138 Posts

Posted - 30 Apr 2003 :  12:04:06  Show Profile  Visit DanielJacob's Homepage
Lewis,

Please edify those of us that are ignorant of Treasury Exemption Account.

Perhaps Don could redact his personal info with an indelible marker.

Peace.

Edited by - DanielJacob on 30 Apr 2003 12:08:22
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Lewish
Advanced Member

uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 30 Apr 2003 :  12:40:24  Show Profile
Daniel,

It is a bit too involved to fully explain in this space, but in a short summary, because there is no money in existance in the country, the Treasury Department is responsible for discharging you debts. Based on Executive Orders 6102 and 6260 and HJR-192. For them to do that, you must properly put them on notice and establish a reference number to be used for the discharge. It takes about 45 days for all of the paperwork to wind it way thru the system.

Also, I didn't point out, when you are to the point of removing your land from the public record, there must be no liens or mortgage against it. Those must be cleared from the public record before you do the process. In about 4 months I will be to that point and will be doing the process. If someone will explain how I could post a copy of the paperwork, I would be willing to share mine, after deleting all personal info.

Lewis
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godslawissupreme
Regular Member

Canada
30 Posts

Posted - 13 Jun 2003 :  19:42:38  Show Profile  Visit godslawissupreme's Homepage  Send godslawissupreme an ICQ Message  Click to see godslawissupreme's MSN Messenger address  Send godslawissupreme a Yahoo! Message
Dear Brethren
All lands are allodial not rodeo titles.
Also note that the Government uses the water also in their words,too.
How can they own the water and the air, too.
God Bless
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godslawissupreme
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Canada
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Posted - 13 Jun 2003 :  19:52:03  Show Profile  Visit godslawissupreme's Homepage  Send godslawissupreme an ICQ Message  Click to see godslawissupreme's MSN Messenger address  Send godslawissupreme a Yahoo! Message
Oops I forgot the mention that If you are trying to get yer property back into yer hands and no taxes due on this land again, try this. May sure there are no lein and or in cumberances on the
land, and have the prior owner quit their claim on the deed, over to you. Now dont register
that land to the county recorder, beacuse as soon as you do that, you have rebound yourself into all their law, rules and regulations. As soon as they make an inquiry as to who owns the land you say the prior owner, sold it but the whom i have no idea.
then the prior owner needs to havea notarized statement, that states that they sold it on may of 2002, for 45,000 US Dollars and that we have no claims to said land or property at this time.
God allows for a remedy in everyway, we just have to listen to him and apply what he is telling us to do. Part of being a Good steward of Gods things. Smile you God Lover You I AM :)
God Bless
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Lewish
Advanced Member

uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 13 Jun 2003 :  22:37:16  Show Profile
Dear godslawissupreme, there is no allodial title to land in the U.S. Some land may be returned to a similar state thru a land patent, but that is a long and difficult process. A shorter route is to put the land into a corporation sole. But, make sure that it is a form of corp sole that has no ties back to the Vatican, or you just gave your land to them. Also, the corp sole must have a presence that shows it is indeed a religious organization teaching G-d's Word.

Just a few thoughts.

Lewis
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doer
Advanced Member

uSA
198 Posts

Posted - 14 Jun 2003 :  23:21:17  Show Profile
Lewis,

Are you saying that a Corp Sole is a "religious organization," and therefore ia not required to pay taxes? Is this a Commaon Law thing? Most "religious organizations" (so-called) that desire not to pay taxes, must become registered as 501(c) bodies under IRS rules. Of course, this would invalidate their being True Representatives of our Creator's will.

Be Well,
Doer
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Lewish
Advanced Member

uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 14 Jun 2003 :  23:40:12  Show Profile
Yes, a true Corp Sole is a religious organization and is classified by the IRS as a 508. Therefore it is not required to report to the IRS about anything it does. Just because the IRS chooses to call them a 508 doesn't mean they can't be True Representative of our Creator. We have no control over what Caesar calls us, and why should we care what Caesar says.

Lewis
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Owenbrittont
Advanced Member

USA
86 Posts

Posted - 15 Jun 2003 :  19:06:19  Show Profile
In some States when the land isn't registered they term you as squatters on their land and kock you off
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Owenbrittont
Advanced Member

USA
86 Posts

Posted - 15 Jun 2003 :  19:12:13  Show Profile
Lewish;

Is there somewhere a simple step by step instruction in relation to setting up this account ???? I have heard a lot of talk about this method. I personally have filed the UCC and have studied the tactics under Howard Griswold.
On my own I found the imnformation about setting up an account with an automatic exempt discharge book filed my paper and never heard anything... Maybe I did something Wrong ???
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Lewish
Advanced Member

uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 15 Jun 2003 :  19:33:07  Show Profile
Owenbrittont, Please contact me via a Private Message and I try to share more info.

Too much stuff for this forum.

Lewis
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