Birth CERTIFICATES for Fictional Slaves

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Topic author: Admin
Subject: Birth CERTIFICATES for Fictional Slaves
Posted on: 22 Oct 2001 14:50:13
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Birth CERTIFICATES = Fictional Entities

Firstly, there is a vast legal difference between a State issued "BIRTH CERTIFICATE - CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH" and a "Certified copy of a live birth". A CERTIFICATE, as used today, is not lawfully the same as a certified copy. A BIRTH CERTIFICATE is issued by the State to conform with federal requirements under the purported necessity of 'vital statistics'. In Florida State, the Florida Department of Health (a/k/a HRS), Office of Vital Statistics, issues these statutory CERTIFICATES. The names are spelled in all capital letters and conform to federal 'law' regulations.

Prior to the 1860's, the only certification of a birth came from the church, not the State or government. The church required two Christian witnesses to attest to, by their signatures and seals, the birth, be it a live birth or a stillborn birth. The church viewed that living or dead, the birth was to be attested to under affirmation before God.

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Reply author: Admin
Replied on: 26 Oct 2001 16:59:07
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Asseveration of Christian Birth

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Reply author: veritas_quaestio
Replied on: 04 Dec 2001 19:14:13
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I sent an edited version of the first letter to the vital statistics office of the state in which I was born about 30 days ago and have received no reply. So, I chose to call the office. After some discussion, the voice on the other end informed me that there is a Record of Live Birth in the system's database. He called it "the registration form from the hospital" and asked me if I was adopted. I did not answer him directly. He proceeded to tell that he could send me some information on the steps to open the sealed original documents if I was, in fact, adopted. I would then receive the 'original' birth certificate. I stated that I wanted the Record of Live Birth and not some other birth certificate. He said that those records are not issued and will send the information packet.

Herein is the problem. 1. How do I get this record, copy, original or otherwise? A Freedom of Information Act request? 2. Why is this not issued? 3. Do I need to get it? The record, I assume, contains signatures of those present at my birth. Assuming that those who were there, are still alive, couldn't I simply retreive their notarized signatures and/or affadavit's? In effect, I would have my own evidence of my birth's geography.

Peace be with you.

Reply author: Admin
Replied on: 04 Dec 2001 19:34:36
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Veritas,

It appears that you were legally adopted by what you have implied. Please correct me if this is not the case. If this is so, then they tend to play games with the original Record of Birth issued by the hospital. If you know where you were born and what date, you can do a personal search of the hospital records and ascertain which record may apply to you. Birth records are public information.

If you can find out who the witnesses were to your live birth, then you could also have them sign affidavits based on ecclesiasticl law attesting to their personal knowledge that you were born on....

Hope this helps you a little. Your explanation was somewhat vague, so perhaps you being a bit more specific will help the readers be able to reply with more specifics.

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. - Mark 12:27

Reply author: veritas_quaestio
Replied on: 05 Dec 2001 13:45:42
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Thank you for your offer of help. The man I spoke to yesterday was/is under the impression that I was adopted. To my knowledge, I am not legally adopted, however, I have reason to believe differently. Of course, one could infer that 'the state' has 'adopted' me by implication of what the birth certificate may represent.

I've discovered a parallel with the certification for automobile records held by the state. They have the the original record of my live birth and they issue a certificate of birth. They also have the original record from the automobile's manufacturer and issue a certificate of title. It seems that they hold the records in trust and certify their existance.

I've contacted the hospital and they report that they do not keep any records past 10 years old. So it appears that the hospital does not have this particular record, but if birth records are public information, held by the state, I should be able to access them in some form or other. Nonetheless, my request has been ignored by mail and denied by phone.

The larger one's thoughts, the smaller one's prison and I painfully scratch at the bars.

Reply author: v_q
Replied on: 29 Mar 2002 19:24:21
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It seems that I will be issued another birth certificate. This one is "supposed" to be the original. But, nonetheless, it is still the certificate and not the actual record. In my searches, I have discovered something that might be of help, not only to me, but to others also.

I have come across a type of Freedom Of Information Act request in common law form. The logic is that all records of the government are, in fact, records of the people and all general records belong to 'the people' in general. Whereas, specific records belong to specific people - in my case, specifically me :)

Whatever you see, and whatever you touch, that is God.

Reply author: Cowboy
Replied on: 07 Jun 2002 14:34:51
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Tried clicking on the floppy but it didn't work, so I couldn't read the article.

I believe there is a UCC form you can fill out to put a lien on your "straw man"

JN 17:17

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Reply author: doer
Replied on: 07 Jun 2002 15:46:43
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The problem with ALL RECORDS OF THE STATE, is that THEY BELONG TO THE STATE. And THE STATE is under NO OBLIGATION to give them to anyone. They do give them away, however, to promote the ILLUSION of accessibility.

Ulitmately, WE KNOW WHO WE ARE IF WE LIVE UNDER GOD'S LAW. OUR IDENTITY IS FROM HIM AND IN HIM. It is THE STATE that requires "proof" such as ID, birth certificates, licenses, etc., etc.

Under Common Law, we are not required to give "proof" FOR ANY REASON. HOWEVER, you better be exremely well-versed in THE LAW. For if there is one thing that THE STATE holds us accountable to -- it is THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

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However, we are getting enmeshed in Caesar's Law when we do this, so BEWARE! You must have a VERY GOOD REASON for doing this -- and be completely dedicated to following it through -- else THE SYSTEM will skin you alive and hang you by your hair to dry.

God Bless,
George

Reply author: Cowboy
Replied on: 26 Jun 2002 08:40:31
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I thought I had read somewhere that the Birth certificate names were in all
CAPS, to coincide with the corporate name, however I looked at mine and it was in upper/lower case ?

JN 17:17

Reply author: Shiloh
Replied on: 27 Jun 2002 02:10:55
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Cowboy,
Is yours a Birth Certificate or a Certificate of Birth? The first being issued by the DEPARTMENT OF THE CENSUS(or STATE) which means you are "owed". The second being the one being issued by the Hospital or the Office of Vital Statisics simply meaning "you were born".
Depending on your age, you might have been lucky to not have been issued the STATE Birth Certificate.

At least this is what information I have been able to come about. I was born in the Year of our Lord Nineteen Hundred sixty eight and was issued the State issued Birth Certificate.

Shiloh



Shiloh

Reply author: cinder
Replied on: 14 Jul 2002 23:05:10
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I myself went through a huge deal with getting a CA state certified copy of my birth certificate, it took a little over a year, First of all in some states it is a recorded of live birth, others it is a birth certificate, depending on the state it will be called different things. What I found is as long as you now what county you were born in and have the correct names and dates, if you call a bonded career service in the town that the states vital records office is in you can pay them to walk into the building and request the certificate in person if you can not be there your self then have them next day air it to you. Now if you are using it for the purpose of gaining back you severity the important thing is, it have the sate filling number. The certificate is important but what you are after is the filling number that is the key

Jim

Reply author: Cowboy
Replied on: 23 Jul 2002 09:13:19
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Shiloh,
I'll have to check on that, I didn't realize there were two, I believe mine is the one that comes from the Town clerk's office.

What are the distinctions between them ?

JN 17:17

Reply author: esther
Replied on: 15 Jan 2003 17:34:28
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has anybody "deleted" their "birth certificate" from the beast archives, then traveled outside u.s. borders and then returned back into the country? are there any hassles/pointers to report? thanks! in HIM

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 20 May 2003 22:19:51
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quote:

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Originally posted by cinder

I myself went through a huge deal with getting a CA state certified copy of my birth certificate, it took a little over a year, First of all in some states it is a recorded of live birth, others it is a birth certificate, depending on the state it will be called different things. What I found is as long as you now what county you were born in and have the correct names and dates, if you call a bonded career service in the town that the states vital records office is in you can pay them to walk into the building and request the certificate in person if you can not be there your self then have them next day air it to you. Now if you are using it for the purpose of gaining back you severity the important thing is, it have the sate filling number. The certificate is important but what you are after is the filling number that is the key
Jim

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Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 21 May 2003 01:29:36
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The filing number is the corporation number of the unincorporated corporation which is the "person" which is what we call the strawman.

Look at the definitions section of Executive Order 6260.


Lewis

Reply author: DanielJacob
Replied on: 21 May 2003 10:10:43
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Lewis,

Forgive me, an unincorporated corporation? Does that make sense? Is there a better definition that we need?

Peace brother.

Reply author: godslawissupreme
Replied on: 13 Jun 2003 13:14:06
Message:

Dear fellow Brothers & Sisters,
I appeal to you that it seems to me that the churches of the United States have been under bondage due to the Internal Revenue Code 501C3 of Title 26 of the United States Code and the CFR's Also.
We must maintain our intregrity to withstand these Evil Forces.
Besides they now have all your personal information on file at these Churches too.
Jesus Died only of what he knew to be a Fact of Frauds and thats why he dies four our Sins.
Because He knew that we are next to be taken and Robbed of your Heritage.

Any Questions in reference to my statements please feel free to reply back to me.
NOTE: DANIEL 5:27 states this "Thou are Weighed in the Balances, and Art Found Wanting"
Answer to the question? we are seeking for the Real and True God Correct, and the Devil and
his organization has All of US Pinned Down for their Usage and we are stuck till WeGet Our
StrawMan Back in Our Control.
NOTE : Luke 11:52 " Woe Unto you Lawyers! For Ye have Taken Away the Key of Knowledge:
Ye entered not in Yourselves, and Then That Were Entering in Ye Hindered"
Be Blessed Everyday That You Now Know the Truth, and Please whatever You do follow Christs Laws
First.

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 10 Jul 2003 17:58:34
Message:

When a bond is sent to a creditor or tax agency, what do they do with that bond? Do they send it to the treasury and then the treasury honors it because you have a Birth certificate on file? Does the bond have anything to do with your Birth Certificate?

Someone posted the question below on another message forum but no one has answered it. I'm curious for the answer because I will be sending a bond to the FTB soon and would like to know what happens to it when they get it. Does it have anything to do with birth certificates, etc.

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The "redemption process" advocates contend that via our birth
certificates, we have pledged our bodies and the labor of our
lifetimes to those creditors who hold these birth certificates; in
essence, our labor is commerce according to this theory. The purchase
of these birth certificates is allegedly performed in Washington, DC.

However, at this place where federal law clearly applies, federal law
declares via 15 USC, §17, that "The labor of a human being is not a
commodity or article of commerce." Does this "redemption" argument not
plainly conflict with federal law?

Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 10 Jul 2003 20:17:52
Message:

Hi Livefree,

It is not the Birth Certificate that is of value. It is the Application for Birth Certificate that has value. It was created by the county in which one is born. Then the county sends it to the state. The state collects a bunch of them and forwards them to the Department of Commerce in D.C. From their, they are used as investment instruments. If you have a relatively new copy of your Birth Certificate, you may find a red number on the back side. This is the registration number of the Bond which was created against your Birth Certificate and sold into the international investment market.

Now to your first question. If you properly understand the redemption process, then you already know the answer to your question. Since you asked, I assume you do not understand it. If you don't understand it, how do you expect to be able to issue a bond and not have Federal Agents come knocking on your door with an arrest warrant for issueing a fictious Treasury Instrument? You may wish to review OCC Alert 2003-0505 before proceeding.

Progressing on, if you have all of the proper documentation filed with all of the proper agencies, then when you bond arrives at the FTB, they will send it to the IRS. The CID of the IRS will investigate to see that you indeed have done all of the necessary steps to be able to issue a bond. If so, then what happens is they issue a tax credit to the FTB in the amount of the bond. The IRS is the bookkeepers of all of this stuff and are responsible for seeing that no one gets by without having "redeemed" themselves.

I hope this is helpful.

Peace to all,

Lewis

Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 10 Jul 2003 20:25:49
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Oh, by the way, I forgot to add that 15 USC §17 doesn't apply to voluntary indentured servitude.

Didn't you know you volunteered?

Lewis

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 10 Jul 2003 20:31:22
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YES! Thank you, that was very helpful, Lewis.

Where can I read the OCC Alert 2003-0505?

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 10 Jul 2003 21:08:57
Message:

I did a search for the 2003-0505 document and nothing came up. http://www.occ.treas.gov/queryhit.htm

Reply author: blessedbeyondwords1
Replied on: 10 Jul 2003 21:34:27
Message:

can the asservation of Christian birth be used by anyone? even a strawman? Who do I have to turn it into? and what are these seals?

byw1

Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 11 Jul 2003 14:21:30
Message:

Hi Livefree,

Well, they have renumbered it. It is now listed as Alert 2003-7. Here is a link where you can download it.

http://www.occ.treas.gov/altlst03.htm It is the document dated 05/05/2003.

Please realize that this alert is carefully worded so as to confuse and mislead. But, it will give you an idea of where "THEY" are coming at you from.

Peace to all,

Lewis

Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 11 Jul 2003 14:26:42
Message:

Hi blessedbeyondwords1,

Can someone who is not a Christian claim to have given a Christian birth?

Can a fictious being, i.e. the strawman have a birth?

I offer these questions for quidance,

Lewis

Reply author: blessedbeyondwords1
Replied on: 11 Jul 2003 14:35:35
Message:

I am confused... so a strawman is someone who is not a Believer? We are Believers - you had better believe it anyway

Our youngest has not been registered w/ the state, her birth hasn't... and we don't really want to get a birth certificate. We are still under the system though. So my question is - if we are still in 'the system' can we still use the asservation of birth? and what are the seals mentioned in the document?

byw1

Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 11 Jul 2003 21:31:22
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Sorry, I don't have the answer to the seals. Not having ever had children of my own, I have not had an occassion to learn about it.

A strawman, your name in all capital letters is an unincorporated corporation. So defined in Executive Order 6260 of Aug., 1933. A strawman is a "person" as so defined in that order. A "person" in the legalize is not a living soul. If a "person" is not a living soul, can a person be a Believer? I think not. Therefore, neither can a strawman.

I hope that helps with the confusion.

Peace to you in our Lord,

Lewis

Reply author: blessedbeyondwords1
Replied on: 17 Sep 2003 17:13:43
Message:

Recently found out I am pregnant with our newest blessing. We don't want to do birth certificate... but everything I have been reading (probably reading in the wrong places) says that the only form of ID acceptable is birth certificate, SSN etc. (i'm in MN) Do the states still accept the family bible entry? and do I need a seperate bible for each child, so they can take it with them when they leave home?

Reply author: God is Love
Replied on: 31 Dec 2003 12:43:49
Message:

Loving greetings!

My very best and kindest wishes and regards to you all!

I have a question that I hope someone here has the answer to.

My question is: what does it mean if one's alleged birth state does not have record of one's birth?

Agape,

Paul

"We now know that the unborn child is an aware, reacting human being who from the sixth month on (and perhaps even earlier) leads an active emotional life."----The Secret Life of the Unborn Child

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 01 Jan 2004 14:29:32
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quote:

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Originally posted by God is Love

Loving greetings!

My question is: what does it mean if one's alleged birth state does not have record of one's birth?

Agape,

Paul

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Reply author: God is Love
Replied on: 02 Jan 2004 15:26:49
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>>>>Does your mother have a copy of it? If she never received a copy from the State >>>>Dept of Vital Statistics, then maybe the hospital never processed the paperwork >>>>for it--then you'd have to call the hospital.

No, she doesn't. The state and county have no record of it. The hospital where I was born burned down some time after my birth, all records were lost.

"We now know that the unborn child is an aware, reacting human being who from the sixth month on (and perhaps even earlier) leads an active emotional life."----The Secret Life of the Unborn Child

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 02 Jan 2004 16:24:25
Message:

Here is what I found when I did a search in google for "no birth certificate"

If you do NOT have a previous U.S. passport or a certified birth certificate, you will need:

Letter of No Record Issued by the State (Department of Health or Vital Statistics) with your name, date of birth, which years were searched for a birth record and that there is no birth certificate on file for you.

AND as many of the following as possible:
- baptismal certificate
- hospital birth certificate
- census record
- certificate of circumcision
- early school record
- family bible record
- doctor's record of post-natal care

NOTES:
- These documents must be early public records showing the date and place of birth, preferably created within the first five years of your life
- You may also submit an Affidavit of Birth, form DSP-10A, from an older blood relative, i.e., a parent, aunt, uncle, sibling, who has personal knowledge of your birth. It must be notarized or have the seal and signature of the acceptance agent.

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 02 Jan 2004 16:33:41
Message:

What if Birth certificate is not available?

In cases where the birth certificate record is unavailable from the authorities, then a sworn affidavit by either of the parents is required. In case they are no longer alive, then any close relative (like uncle, or a close family friend) older than the applicant may provide such affidavit.

This affidavit must be accompanied with a certificate of Non availability or No record of the birth certificate from the concern distt. office/government authority.

If the affidavit is provided by the relative, it must state the relationship with the applicant, how well the person/deponent knows the applicant, date and place of the applicant's birth, names of both the parents, and any other related facts.

Requirements in brief:

1. Non Availability Certificate from the Municipality/Government authority of the place where the applicant was born. It should state/confirm that the birth record/certificate does not or no longer exists.

2. Affidavit.

Note: This affidavit does not have a unique format identified by INS, hence different attorneys may have different layouts.

A sample affidavit (by Applicant's mother)

AFFIDAVIT

I, (mother's) last name (maiden name) first name, wife of (spouse) last name first name, being duly sworn, do depose and make the following statements:

1. I was born in place of birth, State, Country on Date Of Birth.

2. I am married to (spouse) last name first name on date (of their marriage).

3. I am the mother of (your) last name first name and (your father's) last name first name is his/her father.

4. (Your) last name first name was born on date (of birth in MM/DD/YYYY) at time (of birth am/pm) in City, State, Country.


Signature:
Date:


N O T A R Y

Reply author: God is Love
Replied on: 04 Jan 2004 15:58:46
Message:

Thank you for the information.

I believe my question actually was: what does it mean if one's alleged birth state does not have record of one's birth? What is the significance? Advantages, disadvantages, etc.? I have read varying theories about the significance of a record of birth. Some say it is a title over your juristic person. Others say it is meaningless without the acceptance of benefits from state. I'm curious what you all think about the significance of a certificate of birth?

Agape,

Paul

"We now know that the unborn child is an aware, reacting human being who from the sixth month on (and perhaps even earlier) leads an active emotional life."----The Secret Life of the Unborn Child

Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 04 Jan 2004 20:44:11
Message:

The only so-called advantage to having a birth certificate is that you can volunteer for an SSN. You can't volunteer for an SSN if you have no birth certificate. At least not nowadays.

If you were issued an SSN without a birth certificate it still doesn't mean anything because the SSN is all the government needs to claim its property.

No birth certificate = no SSN and no SSN = no government privileges such as: driver's license, employment, grants, unemployment insurance, SS benefits, MediCal or voting.

So, you are only lucky if you have been able to survive without an SSN. However, I wouldn't think you are so lucky if all you have been doing is "surviving".

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 16:11:26
Message:

To Any and All Willing To Help:

We have been contacted by a young couple whose first child is being born today.

They do not want their child to have a state issued BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

The hospital personnel are putting alot of pressure on the expectant parents to sign papers....They are also reading them the state statutes.

Any information and suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, for giving this your attention.

Marty

P.S. We are reading the information posted at this site while we await your reply.

Reply author: DanielJacob
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 17:02:29
Message:

Marty,

Tell them to stand their ground. Do not sign anything unless they have read it completely and/or marked out anything that they don't like. Tell them to tell the staffers that they have faith based confiction against enumeration of their offspring. If the hospital says they can't leave without signing the papers. Tell them to say fine, we'll just call the police and file kidnapping charges.

Peace to all...

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 18:51:25
Message:

Do parents have to sign a state application for BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

We have been told that anything that requires a signature is voluntary.

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 18:53:57
Message:

Where can we get a sample copy of an Affidavit of Live Birth for a young couple whose first child is being born today?

Reply author: Bondservant
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 18:59:00
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Originally posted by Cornerstone Foundation

Do parents have to sign a state application for BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

We have been told that anything that requires asignature is voluntary.

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Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 20:35:54
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Bondservant

quote:

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Originally posted by Cornerstone Foundation

Do parents have to sign a state application for BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

We have been told that anything that requires asignature is voluntary.

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No, they do NOT have to sign any STATE BC Application form, just as they do NOT have to sign any Social Security forms the hospital administration may insist upon.


The parents can request from the hospital administrator a copy of the hospital's "Record of Live Birth" (usually signed by the physician and a nurse witness).........

Question No. 1: Won't the mother and father also be asked to sign the "Record of Live Birth"?

Question No. 2: If the mother and/or father do sign the hospital's "Record of Live Birth" form...won't that form be forwarded to the COUNTY/ then to the STATE/ to create the fictional STRAWBABY/ whose BIRTH CERTIFICATE will be sent to the U. S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE to be used as collateral in financial transactions?

Thank you for the feedback.

Marty

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He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. - Mark 12:27

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Reply author: Bondservant
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 21:11:05
Message:

The Record (or certification) of Live Birth is a hospital administration form. It is not a CERTIFICATE. Download the file at the top of this forum for my article on the difference between a STATE CERTIFICATE and a certification of facts. It is signed by any one of the parents to attest to the names of the child's parents only. It does not ask for them to attest to anything other than that, much the same as the old Parish birth records used to do. Yes, the hospital sends that to the corporate COUNTY and STATE because they are required to do so to keep their license as a hospital, but it is the STATE that issues the corporate BIRTH CERTIFICATE independently based on any Live Birth.

The STATE process of creating a corporate persona and fiction for the child will occur regardless of any attestation by either of the parents. My point is that they create it without consent from either parent.

A certification or record of live birth states nothing other than who the parents are and that two witnesses saw the live birth. What the STATE does in creating the fictional PERSON with a BIRTH CERTIFICATE is an unlawful act without permission of the parents.

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 22:01:04
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Bondservant:

We appreciate your patience with us. We think we understand your point (i.e. "parental consent is not given") under the course of action you propose.

Nevertheless it seems that under the scenerio you are suggesting the result for the child will be the same as if parental consent had been given (i.e. a fictional entity will be created by the STATE and there will be consequences for the child including but not limited to birthday greetings from the Selective Service with a possible invitation to participate in no-win wars for the enrichment of the banksters, etc.)

What would happen if the parents did not sign the document for the hospital administration?

We resubmit an earlier question that has not been addressed by your forum.....Is anything that requires a signature voluntary?

Thank you, for giving these matters your prompt attention.

Marty

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 22:13:15
Message:

Greetings All,
and the strange fact being: I have a daughter, never registered anywhere, for anything, being over the age of eighteen, never MARKED by the system, no govt. schools, vaccinations, licenses, ss#, name it, and she is not there...yet without the circumcision of the heart, all seems meaninglessness. and her name is Grace ElizaBeth.
For some reason, David, could not NUMBER the sons of BenYamin...though he tried. Benyamin = 152, plus the One...=153. What words can not convey, numbers and symbols can. {John 21}
Just tell the hospital officials that you will name the child, and then notify them. American indians took a few years to name their child. No name...no number, simple stuff.
Those who use the system, get into gobblygook. Where are those blessed midwives? Sure saved Mosess' butt. Everything is in the now.
A Law maxim states that the Law of Blood and Kin...can not be overcome by CIVIL law. Civil law= Roman law, i.e. Popish law.
I come from a long line of protesters...Protestants, {pro-testes}...little did I understand, that, He stated, "it is finished". He, being, the son of Yahuweh, Yahuwshuah, and a place called America, is the place where He will collect His own.
Parents who can not figure how to keep their children, under their guidance, from being numbered, are not worthy of notice. Anyone ever heard of the details of Yoseph, the father of Yahushuah? Yahushuah was numbered with the trangressers, i.e. was enrolled within Rome. Gee, Dad, thanks!!! So, We need a Father who cares, and a mother, who, is not the daughter of EVE. Paul states emphatically, New yerUSAem is the mother of Us All.
To not know how to keep one's own offspring from being numbered,sadly shows me that that the baal priests are still being listened to.
I think David Merrill left this forum because of the complete stupidy of the cretins, read, Christians. Easu, lost his birthright, even though he sought repentance carefully, with tears.
One American, still Standing.

Reply author: Bondservant
Replied on: 16 Jan 2004 22:22:39
Message:

Daniel Jacob partially answered your question above. A signature is a 'sign-ature' (a sign/seal with consent}, but if no parent consents, then there is no need for a signature. The choice is theirs. Neither the hospital nor the police can force anyone to sign a STATE form, although they may now believe that the Patriot Act allows them to terrorize the parents into signing it, the old TDC (threats, duress, and cooercion) routine.

But the bottom line is that they can walk from the hospital with their baby without signing anything. I did this with my youngest child under threat of arrest by the hospital administrator. I went down the hall, found a wheelchair, put my wife and baby in it, and went to my parked car. I had a trail of staff following me like I was the Pied Piper, but I refused to speak to any of them and drove away. The sheriff was never called.

Reply author: DanielJacob
Replied on: 17 Jan 2004 00:35:15
Message:

One of the brothers that I fellowship with did the same thing. He was going to use a midwife but things just didn't work out that way and they ended up in the hospital. They didn't give the fruit of the womb a name until some months later. They were even approached by the CPS and left without incident.

May the peace of our Christ Jesus, be with you..

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 18 Jan 2004 13:59:08
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Livefree




NOTES:
- These documents must be early public records showing the date and place of birth, preferably created within the first five years of your life
- You may also submit an Affidavit of Birth, form DSP-10A,

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Reply author: Livefree
Replied on: 18 Jan 2004 14:16:45
Message:

Form DSA-10A can be found here:

http://www.rocklandcountyclerk.com/clerkforms/birthaffidavit.html

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 19 Jan 2004 20:20:50
Message:

The young mother gave birth at 2:27 A. M. 1-17-04 Gregorian Calendar to a healthy boy.

The hospital personnel continued to pressure them for the information to send the STATE so that a BIRTH CERTIFICATE could be issued.

The father requested that we meet with the hospital personnel to discuss the matter.

We met late that afternoon.

We told the hospital personnel:
1. The parents have not made a final decision on the child's name yet.
2. {We may have stated that} the parents had a religious objection to providing the information.
3. We would prefer to prepare a proposed Affidavit of Live Birth ourselves for the doctor and nurse to sign and for the parents to keep for themselves.

The hospital personnel agreed to that and the "free baby" and the parents went home the afternoon of 1-18-04G without further incident.

We want to thank all of you for your guidance and support.

If anyone has suggestions of what should be included in the "Affidavit of Live Birth" please let us know.

Marty

Reply author: Manuel
Replied on: 20 Jan 2004 01:40:43
Message:

Marty,
It is good to hear they made it through the hospital doors without Ceasars grip binding them. When two gather In His name, all is well.

May His blessing continue to keep them in one flesh, In Him.

Manuel

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 21 Jan 2004 22:20:20
Message:

AnyOne have a day of nativity? D.O.B. is a military term. And for those selected amongst the crowd, You know the Day of Your second birth. A "judge" asks for your date of birth, a Son of Yahuweh may ask, "which birth"? and YaHuWeH shall laugh, and have THEM in derision...second psalm.
Three, of the twelve, were allowed to see the Transfiguration. The rest were unworthy.
Ha-Adam was made of clay...a fictio, look it up, near, fiction. "The sixth day man". And on the eighth day, YHWH formed ADaM. {A} Adam, {D] David, {M}messiah.
By the Way, the second birth, allows One to be able to 'see' the Kingdom. Yahushuah asked many times, if one has eyes to see and ears to hear.
Daniel Yacob, an un-incorporated corporation happens to be complete insanity, thanks for pointing this misnomer out.
I find no written scripture wherein Yahushuah played ball with the talmudic {UCC} devils.
Correct me if I am mistaken Lewish...aren't you of Khazarian descent, i.e. Jewish-talmudic fellows?
For the rest www.savethemales.ca is a Khazarian man who was brought up under the TRADITIONS of talmudic/Jewish traditions, who received messiah Yahushuah, and now exposes the lies of the deceivers.

Reply author: BatKol
Replied on: 22 Jan 2004 17:33:16
Message:

Another clue on the Kingdom to be seen after the allegorical second birth:

Flesh and blood can not enter into it so it matters not one bit how your fleshly name is spelled, Spelled or SPELLED in this Realm. "You", for lack of a better term, won't be needing that name anyhow since in this Kingdom there is no male or female, mother or father, no beginning or end. Eternal has no past or present and exists Beyond the carnal time/space prison....In this Kingdom "you" were never born and "you" never died. .. All flesh is grass, it is like a temporary vapour and flesh can not please "I Am".... hence flesh and blood can not enter in this Kingdom (if so the Servants would fight).. so go ahead and sacrifice that fictional flesh and blood identification and be born again in incorruptable, eternal identification with your True Self (Melek-Tzadik) which has no past or future. No BIRTH CERTIFICATE, aservations or Name written in a Bible needed in this Kingdom. (all this carnal paperwork replaced with the allegorical White Stone)
Hallelu-I Am!!

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 23 Jan 2004 17:14:20
Message:

We need the Power to Love
not, the love to power.

Reply author: BatKol
Replied on: 23 Jan 2004 18:45:25
Message:

... so here's to Love Power

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 23 Jan 2004 20:49:42
Message:

BatKol, Love can not fail...impossible. Now what is Love? Geeze, join the poets-prophets-marytrs.
Since this posting area is about birth certificates, and I know you as a man, and you have four children under your care, two with birth certificates, two without, will you share with us why you do not register the last two with the STATE if names and numbers mean nothing? Or have you completely bowed the knee to baal and registered the last two. I was told by attorney friends that without a birth certificate, no socialist security number will ever be issued. Now, I know, most all worship at the feet of the holy trinity of ME-MYSELF-I, and how things effect ME, how does not registering the children of Yahuweh under your guidance, help them? Are you not harming their well being, by keeping the STATE benefits from their belongings, in case of your natural death? You, having stated, that ALL CAP names, and misnomers, are of no account...once one, {such as yourself?} has achieved such enlightenment that names are un necessary.
Are we to presume that a man born Steven John Webb has now gladly assumed the identity of STEVEN JOHN WEBB, and he is proud of this traverse of birthright? Since nothing means anything? The Buddhist-Kali church is around the corner. This forum is for sons and daughters of Israel longing to wear the robes of righteousness and Right Standing at Law, our Father's Law.
I take that your last post is the sign that if one operates in Love that that is an embarassment to one's being? If that is your statement, please leave us. Your love of your ALL CAP name is enough, at that.
Woe to them who call evil good, and good evil.
For one to do evil, he must first think, evil is good. In American, I call those...preverts.

Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 24 Jan 2004 13:49:43
Message:

Hi Robert James,

Your wrote

quote:

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Correct me if I am mistaken Lewish...aren't you of Khazarian descent, i.e. Jewish-talmudic fellows?

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Reply author: BatKol
Replied on: 24 Jan 2004 14:34:40
Message:

Robert-James says: Since this posting area is about birth certificates, and I know you as a man, and you have four children under your care, two with birth certificates, two without, will you share with us why you do not register the last two with the STATE if names and numbers mean nothing?

BatKol: There is no Law or LAW that requires a BC. An affidavit of Positive Identification is suitable for everyday purposes (you would know about these since you use one). Even the passport office recognises that there are those who were born here that do not have BC and provide forms for such.

RObert-James said: Or have you completely bowed the knee to baal and registered the last two.

BatKol: It is not a matter of "bowing a knee to baal". A simple document with the witnesses who attended the Birth is all that is needed. And acceptable as well. The children can make up their own mind when they get older what kind of documentation they want. I have made it possible that they have the proper documentation for any route they want to go. The choice is theirs.

Robert-James said: I was told by attorney friends that without a birth certificate, no socialist security number will ever be issued.

BatKol: Yes. I have an attorney friend in Florida that says the same thing. He also will not get a BC for his child when that time comes for him. However, if one wants a SS# bad enough one can jump through the hoops and get the proper items needed to get the #.

Robert-James said: Now, I know, most all worship at the feet of the holy trinity of ME-MYSELF-I, and how things effect ME, how does not registering the children of Yahuweh under your guidance, help them?

BatKol: Re-read your statement here and you will understand. " I was told by attorney friends that without a birth certificate, no socialist security number will ever be issued."..... By not having ever had a SS#, one is not liable for such obligations. Simple. I checked with same Lawyer friend and my Children can even receive an inheritence w/o SS# or BC. Many Lawyers are getting hip to not using GOVT documentation for "identification"

Robert-James said: Are you not harming their well being, by keeping the STATE benefits from their belongings, in case of your natural death?

BatKol: No. Read above.

Robert-James: You, having stated, that ALL CAP names, and misnomers, are of no account...once one, {such as yourself?} has achieved such enlightenment that names are un necessary.

BatKol: Here you are putting your own spin to what I said. Let me assist you in understanding what I mean here. Name and form are irrelevant in a state of where male and female do not exist. When one Knows themself not to be the corrupted flesh that can not please YHWH then one can appreciate that no matter how a name is spelled it is not going to perfect the flesh. Flesh and blood can not enter into the Kingdom that is not of this world. This is why I believe Paul said slave or Free, Yehud or Greek. This state/Kingdom of Echad can be achieved regardless of race, social status. That is right I said regardless of race... It can be achieved by those with TAGS and without.

Robert-James: Are we to presume that a man born Steven John Webb has now gladly assumed the identity of STEVEN JOHN WEBB, and he is proud of this traverse of birthright?

BatKol: No. What you are to understand is that "I Am" not Steven John Webb, STEVEN JOHN WEBB or a guy with blonde hair, white skin, etc. I Am that which was never born and will never die. That is my Birthright. Not the name attached to this flesh which can not please I Am.

Robert-James: Since nothing means anything?

BatKol: These are your words not mine.

Robert-James: The Buddhist-Kali church is around the corner.

BatKol: You need to educate yourself on the Eastern Aryan connection/contribution to the NT. Then re-read Paul and all of the scriptures talking about the Kingdom not of this world wherein flesh and blood can not enter. Amazing!

Robert-James: This forum is for sons and daughters of Israel longing to wear the robes of righteousness and Right Standing at Law, our Father's Law.

BatKol: You should open your eyes to the fact that there are many members that participate in this forum that have various points of view. This forum is obviously for all who post here... duh.

Robert-James: I take that your last post is the sign that if one operates in Love that that is an embarassment to one's being?

BatKol: Here is the problem: You take things you read and try to insert your own meaning into it. Your wack statement above is not what I have been saying.

Robert-Jmaes. If that is your statement, please leave us. Your love of your ALL CAP name is enough, at that.

BatKol: As Robert-James types from his computer CONTRACTED to surf on the DEPT OF DEFENSE INTERNET. Robert... get that CONTRACT out your eye before you start trying to preach about CONTRACTS and Life may become more enjoyable.

RObert-James said: Woe to them who call evil good, and good evil.
For one to do evil, he must first think, evil is good.

BatKol: Speaking of calling evil good... how's the SHABBOS GOY doing that you got holding down your POWER? That's quite a generous deal you struck. Who with "MARKS" could refuse such an incredible deal?? A good old.. "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" kinda agreement.

Robert-James: In American, I call those...preverts.

BatKol: In any country, a man who preaches NO CONTRACTS yet engages in CONTRACTS is called a hypocrite. How do you justify your INTERNET CONTRACT now that you've got the SHABBOS GOY handling the POWER.. Or did you get a SHABBOS GOY to take care of the ISP too?

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 26 Jan 2004 00:26:56
Message:

Well thanks Batkol,
the name is not irrevelant, i.e. ALL CAP or not...this is the mistake you are under. You have made a confesion before the ecclesia, and considering the children, is admirable. Go tell an earthly masonic judge about the white stone with an ALL CAP name, and he will giggle, and say GUILTY. Your testimony sticks within the ecclesia, which this forum is, kinda like "Wednesday night testimony time", now go tell it upon the mountains...read GOVERNMENTS, and come back and tell us of that testimony. Ok?
"Eastern Aryan connection" sounds like heresay evidence, which is not allowed in My court.
For us Americans, what is a shabbos goy? Goy is a yiddish take on goyim, which means nations. By the Way, the Power comes from Yahuweh, as per a pentacost experience, i.e. clearing out the ears. Now, electricity to make coffee, is another matter, {thank BenYamin Franklin}.
Yahushuah made things plain, as recorded by John, in what we call the third chapter...of John. Two births are necessary. Those who have received the second birth, are marked by the beast as only having one...D.O.B. The testimony of messiah is then necesary to clear up the mis-understanding. One who is known as an ALL CAP fictional named creation, and cares less, has not received the second birth. Without the second birth, it is impossible to enter into the Kingdom, which is here and now. Paul mentioned being translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son...past tense. And, we are about one thousand nineteen years past Paul. Yahushuah stated that we must strive-as in agony, real pain, to enter into the Kingdom.
One birth involves water {John 3rd ch.} the next Spirit. Two. I have seen many birthings, and all the children, including a c-section, the child was birthed in a water sack. {forget the CATHOLIC concept of baptism}. This involves info on a BIRTH CERTIFICATE. The second birth involves a birth into the Kingdom of Heaven, on earth, whereby We cry abba Father. hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
One must have eyes to see, and ears to hear.
Go tell that fox {GOVT}, I Will Be perfected on the Third Day. Luke 13:32

Reply author: BatKol
Replied on: 26 Jan 2004 08:00:17
Message:

RObert-James said: the name is not irrevelant, i.e. ALL CAP or not...this is the mistake you are under.

BatKol: Tell me then. If the Kingdom spoken of by Paul and Yahushua (any many others) is one wherein flesh and blood can not enter (for flesh and blood can not please YHWH), what good is a name, NAME, or even a body going to do you? There is no male or female in this "Kingdom".... The NT is spelling this out for you. This Kingdom is a state of Being. I do not mistake mySelf to be this clay pot of blonde hair and blue eyes.

Robert-James: Go tell an earthly masonic judge about the white stone with an ALL CAP name, and he will giggle, and say GUILTY.

BatKol: What is flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit. Why would I confuse the two? I never mentioned anything about any masonic judges. That's your hobby horse.

Robert-James said: Your testimony sticks within the ecclesia, which this forum is, kinda like "Wednesday night testimony time", now go tell it upon the mountains...read GOVERNMENTS, and come back and tell us of that testimony. Ok?

BatKol: The GOVERNMENT is reading this post. In fact we are meeting on the INTERNET which is a construct of the GOVT. We are letting the GOVT into our homes to have this discussion. You and I both have GOVT CONTRACTS to be here. Anyway, you can read GOVT where ever you read mountain. Have fun.

Robert-James said: "Eastern Aryan connection" sounds like heresay evidence, which is not allowed in My court.

BatKol: LOL... Your court huh? What makes you think you are fit to seat a court (as if this is one)? You go on and on about masons and mysteries yet when someone else wants to share something of the origin of essential doctrines such as the Kingdom wherein flesh and blood can not enter into you cry, "hearsay".. What a joke.

Robert-James said: For us Americans, what is a shabbos goy?

BatKol: You know exactly what one is. But for the edification of this list I use the term SHABBOS GOY in the context of using somebody for their marks when one wants to enjoy the benefits of what MARKS will bring. The SHABBOS GOY is used by the talmudists to be able to engage in unclean activities indirectly. The reason why you are getting such a hard time from me on this is when I moved over to where I live now you told my wife, "it is causing another to sin when you use them for their MARKS". Now, well over two years later, YOU ADMIT TO DOING THIS VERY SAME THING.... but th is is the kind of flip-flopping we all come to expect from you given you record as a self=proclaimed priest....ah, the irony of it all..

Robert-James said: By the Way, the Power comes from Yahuweh, as per a pentacost experience, i.e. clearing out the ears.

BatKol: Everything comes from YHWH. He creates the good and the evil. Every hair on our heads is numbered we are just living out His script.

RObert-James said: Now, electricity to make coffee, is another matter, {thank BenYamin Franklin}.

BatKol: No, it all the same matter. YHWH is the only Sovereign.

Robert-James said: Yahushuah made things plain, as recorded by John, in what we call the third chapter...of John. Two births are necessary. Those who have received the second birth, are marked by the beast as only having one...D.O.B. The testimony of messiah is then necesary to clear up the mis-understanding.

BatKol: Yes very clear. One birth of water and one of Spirit. My Spiritual birth happened when I had the Realization that I Am that which has no birth or death, who has no mother or father, nor male nor female. This Gift of Salvation is available to SLAVES or free, regardless of race.

Robert-James said: One who is known as an ALL CAP fictional named creation, and cares less, has not received the second birth.

BatKol: According to "you". Now, given your past record of bad priestly rulings, I don't put much stock in your earthly wisdom concerning these matters.

Robert-James: Without the second birth, it is impossible to enter into the Kingdom, which is here and now.

BatKol: That is right. One must Know their True Identity to come into the Kingdom where flesh and blood can not enter. However, there is no "you" or "me" there because there is no identification with flesh and blood in that State. Remember flesh and blood can ot please I Am..... only the Anointing of Echad. Not-two.

Robert-James said: Paul mentioned being translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son...past tense.

BatKol: Is this the same ROMAN CITIZEN Paul who got translated? Now, for those reading this post, ask yourself, if one can not be a CITIZEN to be translated/accepted into the Kingdom... how in the heck did Paul do it being a ROMAN CITIZEN???? You just shot yourSelf in the foot Robert-James. Remember SLAVE or Free. All can be Echad in the allegorical body of Moshiach.

RObert-James said: And, we are about one thousand nineteen years past Paul.

BatKol: And the rules (for lack of a better word) are still the same.
There is no past or future in the Sate of Now. It is a timeless
i.e.- eternal.

Robert-James said: Yahushuah stated that we must strive-as in agony, real pain, to enter into the Kingdom.

BatKol: So what are you waiting for.... shed your blood identification with the body born in corruption. The Real "you" is not Robert James Blackman. The Real "you" is not a white guy. In fact, the Real "you" is not a guy or gal. You are that which was not born, nor will ever die. True one must strive in agony to fully digest the implications of these statements.

Robert-James said: One birth involves water {John 3rd ch.} the next Spirit. Two.

BatKol: Yes, make thine eye single. Not-two. True, one is born here in this illusionary realm and it seems the big task here in the physical is to give birth to the Spirit. What is flesh is flesh and what is Spirit is Spirit. Don't confuse the two because there is really only One. All flesh is but a vapour, hence has no standing in Eternal Reality.

Robert-James said: I have seen many birthings, and all the children, including a c-section, the child was birthed in a water sack. {forget the CATHOLIC concept of baptism}. This involves info on a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

BatKol: There is no Law or LAW that says this act involves a BC.

Robert-James: The second birth involves a birth into the Kingdom of Heaven, on earth, whereby We cry abba Father. hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
One must have eyes to see, and ears to hear.
Go tell that fox {GOVT}, I Will Be perfected on the Third Day. Luke 13:32

BatKol: The second birth involves Realization that you are not corrupted flesh that can not please YHWH. Risen in uncorrupted Spirit. This "experience" is available no matter SLAVE or free, regardless of race or social status. Sorry you don't have the eyes to see or ears to hear this yet. Actually the Real "you" does.. because "You" are not corrupted flesh with an ever-changing mind of likes and dislikes. You are not Robert James Blackman. You are that which was already perfect before the first birth happened. Now if that ain't some good news.... what is???

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 04 Feb 2004 20:40:42
Message:

Hi BatKol,
neither YOU or any other shall define me, but thanks for the thoughts! Sorry, but I do not carry a gun, so I do not worry about "shooting myself on the foot". My walk is unaltered. Paul planted the seed within Rome, he was a slickster, who was under orders to present himself to Rome. {Previously, Yahushuah gave singular Orders to do so}. I have an old Merchant Marine card, issued by the GUBBERMENT, in 1972, the name wrtten was Robert James BLACKMAN. Clues everywhere. Now, I ask All, just what is Your surname? You all are the sons of someone. Well, I ask, the sons of Anglo-Saxondom. Our negro friends, really scratch their heads, excepting Muhammed Ali, and some others. Yahushuah was the son of Yoseph, excepting the two x-mas stories, the rest of the new testament writings imply that he was born a man of the seed of Abraham/David, and His bloodline was traced back to the original son of Yahuweh...Adam. But, Yahushuah expounded further on the Mystery in John chapter three. The second birth...whereby We cry abba Father. Second Sons do not accept PRIVALEGES from the earth father, GUBBERMENT, i.e. Rome, and CIVIL law. {Dang those CIVIL LICENSES to travel}.
I see no GUBBERMENT official willing to haul Me into their tribunals. And I travel about freely, and am under no obligation to file 1040 forms. THEY know it, as do I. I do not deny Yahushuah before men, and My older Brother Yahushuah {Romans 8:29} will confess me before the Father of Lights. Now, how can one certify the second birth? That begs an answer. Any willing to respond? All of mankind awaits an answer. By the Way, they decided to kill Yahushuah for healing on the sabbath, and His confession that YaHuWeH was his Father. Awake Oh Israel...for the promises and covenants are given unto You. Given.

Reply author: Manuel
Replied on: 04 Feb 2004 20:49:41
Message:

Meanwhile back on the ranch:

POLICE STATE NEWS
State running background checks on new parents
The FIA will gather information on about 144,000 newborns per year from the Department of Community Health and search for matches weekly against its own database of 34,000 parents whose rights have been terminated.

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 04 Feb 2004 21:40:56
Message:

meanwhile, 4,000 WOMEN decide to kill the life within the womb...daily in the U.S. No wonder Father had the Eve's trangress first. Anyone still living as a U.S. tax paying citizen is guilty by association...still happy and content being known as an ALL CAP U.S. citizen? You...choose this Day who ye shall serve. And the words out of thy very own mouth shall judge you at the "Last Day". Please my dear friends, count the cost, and leave babylon, i.e. the U.S. CORPORATION...administered by the gnomes of Switzerland. The watchmen are still on the wall. Go read Ezekiel, if in doubt. We have come full circle.
Manuel, it does not take the STATE to be the only one to bust up families! WOMEN-Jezebel's do this daily. Jezebel will not...conceive with the truth.

Reply author: BatKol
Replied on: 04 Feb 2004 22:07:06
Message:

Robert-James said: Now, how can one certify the second birth? That begs an answer. Any willing to respond?

BatKol: Here is the real paradox. We know that in Melchezidek (Now) there is no father, nor mother, no male nor female, no birth nor death. We are also told that flesh and blood can not enter the Kingdom and that flesh can not please YHWH. Add this understanding
to the allegorical second birth and the process of being "born again".
These "concepts" are hopefully planting the realization that "we" are not these ever-changing bodies, and these streams of thought and opinions hovering above what seems to be our heads. No matter how you spell my Name or NAME... it's not me. Never was. Such a light burden, not the heavy yoke of trying to perfect what can not and never will be Eternal.

Reply author: BatKol
Replied on: 05 Feb 2004 08:46:44
Message:

Robert-James said: it does not take the STATE to be the only one to bust up families! WOMEN-Jezebel's do this daily. Jezebel will not...conceive with the truth.

BatKol: you forgot to mention self-delusion, spouse cruelty, and ego tripping. All can take a family down. But past even all of this:
YHWH is the One who does the doing.. Only YHWH . You go on and on about blaming woman .. it's YHWH . There is no one to blame.. Literally .... YHWH is the only sovereign. We are all just script actors playing out His will.... be it for good or evil (dual illusion).... Science even begrudingly must admit that there really is no "free will". Studies have proven that there is about a 300 millisecond lag happening when the "info" is received by the senses and re-cognized into consciousness. During a pro tennis serve the receiver responds to the serve faster than the senses and consciousness can 'process' the event. Talk about living in the Now!!

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 05 Feb 2004 13:45:56
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Robert-James
Now, how can one certify the second birth? That begs an answer. Any willing to respond?

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Reply author: earlthomas
Replied on: 05 Mar 2004 19:51:25
Message:

The new york times published a half page
the San francisco Chronicle published a 2 page article on Birth Certificates in @ 1997.
A birth certificate Regis-ters you boy or girl
(which then Converts them into a CHILD.)
The article went on to tell how Bolivia or Belize had a low Regis-tration rate and how you can get government jobs or loans if you have one but not otherwise.

Reply author: DanielJacob
Replied on: 08 Mar 2004 23:31:22
Message:

Greetings brothers,

I found a very interesting and illuminating article on the following site:

http://law.wlu.edu/clinics/lawreview/TOC/TOCvol59iss4.htm

Scroll down to "The Devil in U.S. v. Jones". While the piece is a bit long it is well worth the read.

Reply author: God is Love
Replied on: 22 Mar 2004 19:14:23
Message:

Hi all,

On the topic of birth certificates, I have some questions. First off, I would like to point out that I am still learning (always will be), so my statements may not be 100% accurate. If they are not, please point this out to me.

In essence, when an application for record of birth is filled out and signed, this is the first step (second one being the ssn) in the process of changing state citizenship into U.S. citizenship. Later comes preschool enrollment, then school enrollment, then w-4's, bank accounts, accepting presentments, selective service, jury duty summons, and driver's licenses.

At any rate, it would seem to me that in order to nip this ungodly power over us (which we actually provided to them ourselves via our unconditional signature on negotiable instruments/contracts) in the bud, is to go back and revoke or rescind any and all signatures that we have made unconditionally.

Is anyone here experienced and successful in revoking/rescinding past signatures? Anyone know if it is indeed possible? If so, could someone please share that information with me?

Interesting thing, when my son was born, this supposed "voluntary" signature on the application for record of birth was pretty much coerced out of my wife and I. They told us that we wouldn't be permitted to leave without signing it. Is there some way to revoke/rescind the signature on that document as well?

Any info on the topic of revocation/rescindment of unconditional signatures I would gratefully accept! Please, if you have such information, do share! Feel free to email me off list if you like.

May YHWH bless you all!

"We now know that the unborn child is an aware, reacting human being who from the sixth month on (and perhaps even earlier) leads an active emotional life."----The Secret Life of the Unborn Child

Reply author: Robert-James
Replied on: 22 Mar 2004 21:49:37
Message:

Hi God,
we had ShekinYah 13 years ago in a hospital, because we could not find a midwife who would handle my older wife after five children, the last being a C-section. My wife refused the ss# application, which the witches checked the box anyway, on the certificate of live birth. Weeks later we were noticed by SS that the number was issued, and she called many at SS, mostly Negro women, who thought she was nuts for refusing the opportunity to receive FREE benefits. Finally she talked with a white man, who understood, and said that he would rescend the SS#, as we asked NOT for it. If ShekinYah ever applies for the SS#, she will be issued most probably THAT same #. Till then, neither she, nor her parents APPLIED for the #. ShekinYah never was issued shots by DR.s nor went to GOVT. schools...she is clean. THEY can do as they will, and we also. No joinder occurs, till one accepts BENEFITS from the GOVT.
A Law maxim is noteful: the Law of blood and Kin {Abrahamic covenants} can not be overcome by civil law. Civil law is the law of Rome. Just never use nor accept THEIR number, for it is always THEIR number, never yours, unless you use-accept the numbering of the beast. In David's Day, Benyamin and Levi would not be numbered in David's satanic numbering census. As her guardian, does your child have a number? You are the headship on this matter. Many PARENTS to serve MAMMON, include their children's ss# on 1040 forms, so as to save cash. If they only knew that they were passing their children through the fire unto Moloch!!! Once passed over to the other god, someday that child will have to pass through the Fire of YaHuWeH to get back into the Kingdom. Called the baptism of Fire, which you and your helpmeet shall surely have to deal with. I would be well pleased to go private with y'all, but have no e-mail for you. mine is...american@madison.main.nc.us

Reply author: God is Love
Replied on: 22 Mar 2004 22:02:08
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Thank you, Robert-James!

I will contact you off list.

May YHWH continue blessing you and yours!

Mount Fuji----"without equal"

Reply author: Manuel
Replied on: 22 Mar 2004 22:51:04
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God is Love,
"Hey" I once was on Mount Fuji! It is a beautiful Mountain, and about twelve thousand two hundred and eighty eight feet tall. Two big craters up there. They say it is inactive. There was a little Jar-Head base down on the base of the mountain called, "CAMP FUJI." That was during the days of old when I was AN ACTIVE VOLUNTEER, through my consent. It was a very steep climb up to the top, pea-rock size vulcanic pebbles... for every step... go down half a step. On the way down,the total down time (running) is approximately one third the up time. The boot-lui (second lieutenant)on the way up handed me the PRC-77 (RADIO) on the last hundred or so meters, therefore reaching up there first during the climb - "Rank has its priviledges" they say :)

I tell you brother, but there is no mountain higher than Fathers Mountain top, and similar to the days of old... nothing can close the doors of heaven on your face, no matter how heavy the burden placed upon your back.

Reply author: God is Love
Replied on: 29 Mar 2004 18:58:02
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Originally posted by Manuel

God is Love,
"Hey" I once was on Mount Fuji! It is a beautiful Mountain, and about twelve thousand two hundred and eighty eight feet tall. Two big craters up there. They say it is inactive. There was a little Jar-Head base down on the base of the mountain called, "CAMP FUJI." That was during the days of old when I was AN ACTIVE VOLUNTEER, through my consent. It was a very steep climb up to the top, pea-rock size vulcanic pebbles... for every step... go down half a step. On the way down,the total down time (running) is approximately one third the up time. The boot-lui (second lieutenant)on the way up handed me the PRC-77 (RADIO) on the last hundred or so meters, therefore reaching up there first during the climb - "Rank has its priviledges" they say :)

I tell you brother, but there is no mountain higher than Fathers Mountain top, and similar to the days of old... nothing can close the doors of heaven on your face, no matter how heavy the burden placed upon your back.

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Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 19 Jan 2005 14:43:57
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Originally posted by Cornerstone Foundation(see page 5 of this topic...the post is date 1/19/2004G 8:20:50 PM.)

The young mother gave birth at 2:27 A. M. 1-17-04 Gregorian Calendar to a healthy boy.

The hospital personnel continued to pressure them for the information to send the STATE so that a BIRTH CERTIFICATE could be issued.

The father requested that we meet with the hospital personnel to discuss the matter.

We met late that afternoon.

We told the hospital personnel:
1. The parents have not made a final decision on the child's name yet.
2. {We may have stated that} the parents had a religious objection to providing the information.
3. We would prefer to prepare a proposed Affidavit of Live Birth ourselves for the doctor and nurse to sign and for the parents to keep for themselves.

The hospital personnel agreed to that and the "free baby" and the parents went home the afternoon of 1-18-04G without further incident.

We want to thank all of you for your guidance and support.

If anyone has suggestions of what should be included in the "Affidavit of Live Birth" please let us know.

Marty

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Reply author: David Merrill
Replied on: 19 Jan 2005 16:20:28
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Are the doctors and nurses pestering for the document? Like some kind of bill collectors? Or maybe Social Services?

Affiant infers swearing - affidavit.

In contemplation the young man may want to acquire a driver license (which requires no SSN if you look carefully) or for any reason want a Birth Certificate in the future, why not make an asseveration of fact? Simply call for two or three witnesses - doctors and nurses to sign a paper that acknowledges the fact that this boy "True Name of the Family nomen family" was born at this exact moment at such hospital, healthy and without defect or complication. Record it at the county recorder and offer a certified copy to the hospital.

Specify the certified copy is only for the hospital's records. The county records are satisfied already. You do not wish the young man registered in commerce through the birth certificate process. Somebody somewhere will probably redact the asseveration into commercial form to satisfy "the law". Even if they do, teach the young man his name and that he is who he says he is and until he decides to get into contracts with the world, he is not in any contracts with the world.

The following evidence of contract has no effect on me whatsoever. I have signed nothing "David M. Van Pelt" for well over a decade. If I wanted to use that trust entity I would sign "David Merrill dba DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT". My name is obviously "David Merrill" and I was born into the Van Pelt family. Notice my father's name is "Philip Jansen" and my mother is "Louanne"*. This paperwork is not even mine. I borrowed it from my mother to file it when I understood how it could be used to prove assumpsit. I suppose the certified copy you are looking at is mine because I paid for it at my clerk's office. But it is not mine until I say so. And I can disown it instantly if it suits me. Like that:

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification2.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification3.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification4.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification5.jpg
Registration as chattel by Birth Certificate



Regards,

David Merrill.

* You know her better "Lucy Van Pelt" because our families have been life-long friends with Sparky Shulz, the famous cartoonist.

Reply author: Bondservant
Replied on: 19 Jan 2005 19:34:40
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It is our hope that someone reading this will either post an example of an Affidavit of Live Birth or its equivalent and/or contact us privately at farmco7@yahoo.com with information on where such a document can be obtained or what verbage it should properly include.

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Reply author: David Merrill
Replied on: 20 Jan 2005 17:15:27
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That is very interesting, the correspondence between Mr. Jones and the State of Florida. It looks like he successfully pulled his daughter from being registered in commerce. http://ecclesia.org/forum/uploads/bondservant/bcertP.pdf

I think the reasons can be traced to Franklin D. Roosevelt's speech before the State Governor's Convention on March 6, 1933 when he clearly said, "If people can be persuaded to follow these new forms..." (paraphrased). The presumption is that the parents were persuaded until they squalked differently about it, defeating the presumption.

Also I think for Colorado you would find the first form is the same thing Mr. Jones acquired. That is the report that was sent to the State and they produced the second all-upper case Certificate in commerce. It proves the same thing anyway - the legal name designated for my first choice of one is "David Merrill Van Pelt". The comment on the bottom of the back "certification2" corresponds exactly with Mr. Jones' experience with the registry in the State of Florida. [I am a little annoyed the Sister thought to put two "a"s in upper case "A".]

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification2.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_certification3.jpg

Looking closely at the correspondence Mr. Jones knew his daughter's name and the family nomen but I do not think he knows putting them together creates a legal name, upper and lower case too. See "Name" and "Legal name" hold that definition in common in Black's Fifth Edition law dictionary. The legal name is what is held assumpsit of a binding social (citizenship) contract. At least here in Colorado and proven by a lot of experience with abatement for misnomer. So long as I do not sign anything "David Merrill Van Pelt" then there is no holding me accountable for The "David Merrill Van Pelt" (vessel in admiralty).

So pondering it over. If I were to request a copy of Document 1 "DAvid Merrill VAn Pelt" from county health, I would likely receive Document 2 "DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT". Then if I took it back they would request I return Document 2 and give me Document 1, "destroying" Document 2 and replacing it with Document 1 in the county health records. From that time forward people would not find record of DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT because it will be sealed from public viewing.

So long as I am careful to let them see clearly my name is "David Merrill" and that the document clearly pertains to my birth, there should be no problems with presumption I am dawning the legal identity "David Merrill Van Pelt".




Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. This correction is quite fetching. Suppose I encounter trouble with the county health department or the clerk and recorder. Supposing they refuse to replace the DAVID MERRILL VAN PELT documentation with the correctly spelled David Merrill Van Pelt documentation [and indication is to seal it from public viewing - commercial verification of registry]; could I go to the district attorney with a complaint about falsification of information? My and even my parents' consent to redact the name into commerce was presumed by the State of Colorado. I should be able to defeat that presumption like Mr. Jones did for his infant daughter.

Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 21 Jan 2005 11:11:58
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[teal]David Merrill wrote...

I think the reasons can be traced to Franklin D. Roosevelt's speech before the State Governor's Convention on March 6, 1933 when he clearly said, "If people can be persuaded to follow these new forms..." (paraphrased). The presumption is that the parents were persuaded until they squalked differently about it, defeating the presumption.

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Reply author: Cornerstone Foundation
Replied on: 21 Jan 2005 12:51:44
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Originally posted by David Merrill
That is very interesting,....

It looks like he successfully pulled his daughter from being registered in commerce....

I think the reasons can be traced to Franklin D. Roosevelt's speech before the State Governor's Convention on March 6, 1933 when he clearly said, "If people can be persuaded to follow these new forms..." (paraphrased).

The presumption is that the parents were persuaded until they squalked differently about it, defeating the presumption.

Regards,

David Merrill.

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MCA 50-15-221 (8)

Either the parent of the child, or another informant, shall verify the accuracy of the personal data to be entered on the certificate in order to permit the filing of the certificate within the time prescribed in subsection (1)….

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Reply author: David Merrill
Replied on: 21 Jan 2005 13:25:21
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Right on.

When a policeman was telling me he had to have my Date of Birth I explained that was because his supervisor required it. I was not accountable to his supervisor; he was.

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Reply author: Werner Maximilian
Replied on: 28 Jan 2005 13:55:47
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My sister, a widow with three children, asked,"Wouldn't I be more of a burden on the family if I didn't take social security payments?" I said,"Yes, but thats' our responsibility."

What occurs to me is this fiction called, "Government" is being used to supplant the roll of men in society, a virtual man that has become the head of the household that demands everyone in the house give their all for the support of the family.

Now, anyone thats had to have the support of family knows the strings that can come with that arrangement, the embarassment, the constant critisism about how your living and what you should (in their opinion) be doing. Your life is no longer yours.

The virtual father takes all that away and even passes laws to stop people that may not approve of your lifesyle from commenting on your acceptance of his largess. Ah, your life becomes your own again.

All this might not even be so bad if the virtual father wasn't a lazy, gluttenous, alcoholic, child beating, murdurous, thieving, control freak.

Therein lies the problem for men that don't approve of this situation. It comes down to a war of ideology. On the one side are men who believe they are head and act accordingly, but in order to do that they need control of many aspects of their lives, not the least being complete control of their finances. This comes into direct conflict with virtual father and his increasingly growing and insatiable extended family with their distorted view that its O.K. to steal (but never ,ever call it that) from everyone outside the family to keep them in the life they have come to expect.

As I see it, the mechanism of war between the two is the Social Security system and its' enormous entitlement programs and the idea in its'supporters heads' that "government" is the source of magical free money for all.

Good luck with that thinking because men are the source of that wealth.(I know, God is.) And good luck to us when every thing you have is no longer enough to satisfy them.

So it does seem that the key is the Social Security number attached to a Birth Certificate attached to an ALL CAPS legal name. Hmmm. If we just didn't have to have one of those.

I salute you brave souls that do not use them.

Werner Maximilian

Reply author: Caleb
Replied on: 02 Feb 2005 03:55:20
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Due to the length of this topic, I have started a new post that relates closely to this one titled:

"BERTH" Certificates

"Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end"
Isaiah 9:7

Reply author: David Merrill
Replied on: 02 Feb 2005 04:30:35
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Is that relating specifically to admiralty terms? Gold fringes and all that? I just got an email today...

Crosstalk:

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I was there. The Notice and Grace have been given a decade ago. I was on the jury.

Mark regretted having given out all the Press Releases and apologized for giving me this last rough draft. That still amuses me.

Let Freedom Ring (framed press release)

I picked up P.L. 94-412 just the other day. It unfortunately reads just as the article below says:

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Photo of last page of P.L. 94-412

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From:
To: David Merrill
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: In Section 17 of the Act of October 6, 1917, the Trading With the Enemy Act:

I am sure you have read this, but this brings some light on things, especially how the courts are acting.

"No contract is considered as valid as between enemies, at least so far as to give them a remedy in the courts of law of either government, and they have, in the language of civil law, no ability to sustain a persona standi in judicio."

We now come to the question of how to terminate these extraordinary powers granted under a declaration of national emergency. We have learned that, in order for the extraordinary powers to be terminated, the national emergency itself must be canceled. Reading from the Agricultural Act, Section 13:

"This title shall cease to be in effect whenever the President finds and proclaims that the national economic emergency in relation to agriculture has been ended."

Whenever the President finds by proclamation that the proclamation issued on March 6, 1933 has terminated, it has to terminate through presidential proclamation just as it came into effect. Congress has already delegated all of that authority, and therefore was in no position to take it back.

In Senate Report 93-549, we find the following statement from Congress:

"Furthermore, it would be a largely futile task unless we have the President's active collaboration. Having delegated this authority to the President in ways that permit him to determine how long it shall continue, simply through the device of keeping emergency declarations alive ­ we now find ourselves in a position where we cannot reclaim the power without the President's acquiescence. We are unable to terminate these declarations without the President's signature, so we need a large measure of Presidential cooperation."

It appears that no President has been willing to give up this extraordinary power, and if, they will not sign the termination proclamation, the access to, and usage of, extraordinary powers does not terminate. At least, it has not terminated for over 60 years.

Now, that's no definite indication that a President from George W. Bush on might not eventually sign the termination proclamation, but 60 years of experience would lead one to doubt that day will ever come by itself. But the question now to ask is this: How many times have We, the People, asked the President to terminate his access to extraordinary powers, or the situation on which it is based, the declared national emergency? Who has ever demanded that this be done? How many of us even knew that we have been in this perpetual national emergency situation? And, without the knowledge contained in this report being disseminated freely on the internet, how long do you think the blindness of the American peoples to this situation would have continued?

Now, a quote from an exclusive reply written May 21, 1973, by the Attorney General of the United States regarding studies undertaken by the Justice Department on the question of termination of the standing national emergency:

"As a consequence, a 'national emergency' is now a practical necessity in order to carry out what has become the regular and normal method of governmental actions. What we intended by Congress as delegations of power to be used only in the most extreme situations, and for the most limited duration's, have become every day powers, and a state of 'emergency' has become a permanent condition."

So we see that our government can operate in two capacities: (a) in a sovereign peacetime capacity, with the limitations placed upon it by the Constitution and restrictions placed upon it by We, the People, or (b) in a wartime capacity, where it may operate in its belligerent capacity governed not by the Constitution, but only by the laws of war.

In Section 17 of the Act of October 6, 1917, the Trading With the Enemy Act:

"That the district courts of the United States are hereby given jurisdiction to make and enter all such rules as to notice and otherwise; and all such orders and decrees; and to issue such process as may be necessary and proper in the premises to enforce the provisions of this Act."

Here we have Congress conferring upon the district courts of the United States the booty and jurisdiction, the jurisdiction over enemy property within the continental United States. And at the time of the original unamended, Trading with the Enemy Act, we were indeed at war, a World war, and so booty jurisdiction over enemies' property in the courts was appropriate. At that time, remember, we were not yet declared the enemy. We were excluded from the provisions of the original Act.

What jurisdiction were We, the People, then placed under? We were not the booty jurisdiction given to the district courts by Congress. It would no longer be necessary, or of any value at all, to bring the Constitution of the United States with us upon entering a courtroom, for that court was no longer a court of common law, but a tribunal under wartime booty jurisdiction. Take a look at the American flag in American courtrooms. The gold fringe around our flag designates Admiralty jurisdiction.

Executive Order No. 11677 issued by President Richard M. Nixon August 1, 1972 states:

"Continuing the Regulation of Exports; By virtue of the authority vested in the President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, including Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended (12 U.S.C. 95a), and in view of the continued existence of the national emergencies . . ."

Has the termination of the national emergency ever been considered? In Public Law 94-412, September 14, 1976, we find that Congress had finally finished their exhaustive study on the national emergencies, and the words of their findings were that they would terminate the existing national emergencies. We should be able to heave a sign of relief at this decision, for with the termination of the national emergencies will come the corresponding termination of extraordinary Presidential power, won't it. But yet we have learned two difficult lessons: that we are still in the national emergency and that power, once grasped, is difficult to let go. And so now it should come as no surprise when we read, in the last section of the Act, Section 502, the following words:

"(a): The provisions of this Act shall not apply to the following provisions of law, the powers and authorities conferred thereby and actions taken thereunder (1) Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended (12 U.S.C. 95a; 50 U.S.c. App. 5b)"

The bleak reality is, the situation has not changed at all.

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Reply author: Manuel
Replied on: 20 Feb 2006 22:40:35
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Greeings to all,

Did I ever tell you this joke? Well... here it is for peace sakes:

A man went to a psychiatrist and as he layed on the couch, he constantly smacked his imaginary critters off his clothes. The psychiatrist got so disturbed by the mans actions that he alerted 'his patient' to not throw the critters his way:).

You know... during these times where the SPY-ders are constantly weaving their webs to arachnatose us unto their SUB-MISSIONS, the following article sounds pretty good:

From the January 2006 Idaho Observer

Who/what is a slave?


When the subject of slavery comes up between people born and raised in the U.S., an image of cotton-picking negro slaves comes immediately to mind. To the public school-educated and mass-media-conditioned American mind, if your skin is not black and you don’t live in pre-14th Amendment America, you cannot be a slave. The logical obverse, in the minds of properly indoctrinated Americans, is the automatic presumption of personal freedom. As we can see in millions of examples among our countrymen, none are so capable of being progressively enslaved as those whose presumption of freedom can be maintained—from birth to death.

But the slave model etched in the American mind is only a stereotype—it’s only one definition. Slavery has many definitions, a few of which are cited below. All of them, excluding word usage variations like, "He’s a slave to his habits," infer sets of circumstances where people’s physical bodies, political expressions and spiritual beliefs are controlled by others.

Americans living under the laws of the U.S. are, by definition, slaves. Artful legislative machinations have transformed the inalienable rights to pursue life and liberty and acquire property into statutory privileges that can be granted by government or taken away without recourse.

Are you a slave?

Under the definitions provided above, just about all of us are slaves. Under the Black’s definition, all prisoners who were unduly convicted or "denied due process of law" are slaves per 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution.

Per the second half of Black’s definition, everyone is a slave because, at any time and without just cause, government agents may "dispose of our person (Vickie Weaver, for instance), dispose of our industry and labor (ask thousands of small business owners who have been unjustly ruined by the IRS) and anything that we acquire may be seized at any time—and the seizures will stand in court because ownership is proved by the highest claim of possession and disposal.

The previous paragraph proves the Bouvier’s definition: Another has unlimited control over our lives—whenever it decides to exercise that control.

Both Black’s and Bouvier’s describe people held in bondage, enthralled; enslaved per Webster’s.

Though we may not be "purchased," we are born free and then "captured" by statutory (14th Amendment) snares that completely divest us of our personal rights and; we submit to these fictitious bonds in a "servile manner" making us slaves under the Oxford Universal Dictionary definition.

Per our American Heritage dictionary definition, we are bound in servitude as instruments to pay an infinite array of taxes to specified influences in a condition that has been easily likened to slavery.



Slave. A person who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who has no freedom of action, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another. One who is under the power of a master, and who belongs to him; so that the master may sell and dispose of his person, of his industry, and of his labor, without his being able to do anything, have anything or acquire anything, but what must belong to his master. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery. ~Black’s Law Dictionary, 5th Edition

SLAVE. One over whose life, liberty and property another has unlimited control.

~Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 1870

slave: 1. A person held in bondage; a thrall.

~Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 1947

thrall: a A slave; bondman. b One in moral or mental bondage. c Thralldom - To enslave; enthrall.

~Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 1947

Slave: 1. One who is the property of, and entirely subject to, another person, whether by capture, purchase, or birth; a servant completely divested of freedom and personal rights. 2. One who submits in a servile manner to the authority or dictation of another or others; a submissive or devoted servant. ~Oxford Universal Dictionary, 1955

slave: 1. One who is bound in servitude to a person or household as an instrument of labor. 2. One who is submissive or subject to a specified person or influence. 3. One whose condition is likened to that of slavery.

~The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 1969



Conclusive evidence of live, non-fiction, flesh and blood status

It all seems to start when we witness or experience the lawless power of government: We begin to realize that ours really isn’t the land of the free. As we progress in our understanding and the depths and breadths of the betrayal become apparent, we discover that governments are fictions and that, through constructive fraud, they transform our flesh and blood into paper fictions because this trick somehow authorizes governments to treat us like property. The process is a lot like the movies when "real" people are suddenly thrust into cartoonland where the only laws in effect are those imagined into existence by the cartoonist. Though it may seem hard for most to conceive, one of the cornerstones of being abused as government property is our inability to overcome government’s presumption that we are paper fictions over which it has the rights of ownership. Patriots have gone to great lengths to"break the presumption" (many of which are expensive, complicated and covered in previous editions of The IO)—and still government throws them around like paper dolls. Aren’t these strange times: The government will tax and imprison, even murder us at its pleasure and convenience because we are forever failing to provide it with conclusive proof that we are flesh and blood men and women. The following is an interesting, simple and inexpensive tactic one may employ to finally break that presumption—provided all our other sovereignty ducks are in a nice, neat row.

by Augustus Blackstone

An interesting question was put to me recently during a discussion about making a legal distinction from an idem sonans (sounds the same when spoken) ens legis (corporate fiction) "strawman" (all capital letter spelled name) entity, that the courts and existing (political) systems would have little choice but to recognize and acknowledge. The question was, "What kind of conclusive evidence would best prove that one is in fact a living, breathing, flesh and blood (wo)man?"

Legal fiction entities, being fictions, cannot bleed because they have no blood. Only living entities have blood, which can be quantified and qualified through immunological compatibility testing and classification (blood typing). In answer to the question, I suggested obtaining a Red Cross blood donor’s card, making sure that it shows one’s name properly spelled in upper/lower case lettering. This would be an "acceptable" form of conclusive evidence that can be carried in one’s wallet and that can be used in conjunction with evidence of one’s live birth.

Unlike other, more local blood collection agencies, the Red Cross Society is an internationally recognized body that enjoys near absolute neutrality and political immunity in all nations participant in or adherent to the Geneva Convention, even during active military hostilities between those nations.

To what extent that international political immunity reaches into other zones of application within this country remains to be explored. But anyone can obtain a blood donor’s card, even if they do not intend thereafter to donate blood (or anything else). The Red Cross Society is an international philanthropic organization, formed in 1864. And, as such, there is no obligation to donate. It’s all voluntary.

This is not a promotional plug for the Red Cross Society. It is an answer to the question pertaining to obtaining conclusive evidence of being a living (wo)man which is or can be recognized by existing political systems (and their courts), that has international neutrality/immunity implications and that can be used to establish entitlement to declared God-given Rights. It is the life within the blood that establishes one’s connection to the divine tutelary authority. Make the most of it.

Note: Several of our readers have engaged correspondence with Augustus Blackstone, author of The Errant Sovereign’s Handbook. In case you are one of those, "Uncle Gus’" address has changed to:

Augustus Blackstone

c/o postal service address:

South 921 Monroe Street #5

Spokane, Washington CF 99204 CF

United States of America

Reply author: Lewish
Replied on: 21 Feb 2006 12:58:08
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Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

Manual wrote:

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The question was, "What kind of conclusive evidence would best prove that one is in fact a living, breathing, flesh and blood (wo)man?"

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ECCLESIASTIC COMMONWEALTH COMMUNITY : http://ecclesia.org/forum/