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Posted - 24 Jan 2006 :  06:54:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings and salutations:

Peace be unto the house.

Here's an interesting one that we just re-discovered in Steve Miller's, Is Your Social Security Card the Mark of the Beast.

Gregg's Manual of English: "A name spelled in all capital letters or a name initialed, is not a proper noun denoting a specific person, but is a fictitious name, or a name of a dead person, or a nom de guerre."

If anyone here is interested in reading Is Your Social Security Card the Mark of the Beast in its entirety it may be found here Be forwarned before reading it, however, that Steve doesn't leave his readers with much hope...but Steve is candid...

"Since most of you won't believe the Bible's authority, I'll cite your laws, regulations and Supreme Court decisions as a higher authority. These are quoted for those of you who venerate man's law above God's law."

fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act.

Edited by - Oneisraelite on 24 Jan 2006 07:02:47
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Uncle Buck
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Posted - 02 Mar 2006 :  18:08:37  Show Profile  Visit Uncle Buck's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Greetings one and all, peace be unto the house!
If the Common Law is NOT modified by Statutes to create new rights and entitlements that were repugnant to common law then here is a classic demon-stration from Australia (New South Wales in Fact):

Minors (Property and Contracts) Act 1970
6 Definitions

(1) In this Act, unless the context or subject matter otherwise indicates or requires:"Civil act" means:
(a) a contract,
(b) an election to rescind or determine a contract for fraud, mistake, breach or otherwise,

(c) a disposition of property,
(d) a disclaimer,
(e) an acknowledgment of receipt of property,
(f) a discharge or acquittance,
(g) an exercise of a power under a contract or under a settlement, will or other instrument,
(h) an assent or consent to, acquiescence in, or acknowledgment or waiver of, any matter by a person affecting the person's rights or obligations under a contract or relating to property,
(i) a release of any cause of action,
(j) a grant of any leave or licence,
(k) an election in relation to rights under a will or other instrument, or in relation to conversion as between realty and personalty, or
(l) an act done:
(i) in relation to the formation,
(ii) in relation to becoming or ceasing to be a member or officer, or
(iii) as a member or officer:
of a partnership, or of an association, company or society, whether a corporation or not,

(m) without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any act relating to contractual or proprietary rights or obligations or to any chose in action:
whetherhaving effect at law or in equity."Disposition of property" includes:

(a) a conveyance, transfer, assignment, appointment, settlement, mortgage, delivery, payment, lease, bailment, reconveyance or discharge of mortgage,
(b) the creation of a trust,
(c) the release or surrender of any property, and
(d) the grant of a power in respect of property:
whether having effect at law or in equity."Minor" means a person under the age of 18 years; and "minority" has a corresponding meaning."Minor participant", in relation to a civil act, means a person who, while the person is a minor, participates in the civil act."Party", in relation to a civil act, includes a person who does, makes, accepts, suffers or joins in the civil act; and "participate" and "participant" have corresponding meanings."Property" includes real and personal property and any estate or interest in property real or personal, and money, and any debt, and any cause of action for damages (including damages for personal injury), and any other chose in action, and any other right or interest.

(2) The making of a will, whether in exercise of a power of appointment or otherwise, or the revocation of a will, is not a civil act and is not a disposition of property for the purposes of this Act.
(3) Where a person participates in a civil act while a minor and by this Act the civil act is or becomes presumptively binding on the person:
(a) the civil act is, at and after the time of the person's participation, as binding on the person and the person's personal representative and has effect as if the person were not under the disability of infancy at the time of the person's participation, and
(b) except where other provision is made by this Act, the civil act is binding and has effect as mentioned in paragraph (a) in favour of all persons.
7 This and other Acts cumulative
(1) Where, under any Act, a civil act in which a person participates while under the age of twenty-one years is given any force or effect, that force or effect is not vitiated or diminished by anything in Part 2 or Part 3.
(2) Where, under any provision in Part 2 or Part 3, a civil act in which a person participates while under the age of twenty-one years is given any force or effect, that force or effect is not vitiated or diminished by anything in any other Act.
Part 2 Capacity at eighteen years

8 Civil acts generally
A person is not under the disability of infancy in relation to a civil act in which the person participates when aged eighteen years or upwards and after the commencement of this Act

9 Full age generally
(1) After the commencement of this Act:
(a) for the purposes of any rule of law, and
(b) except so far as the context otherwise requires, for the purposes of:
(i) any Act, whether passed before or after the commencement of this Act, and
(ii) any instrument made under an Act, whether the instrument is made before or after the commencement of this Act:
a person aged eighteen years or upwards on the commencement of this Act or who attains the age of eighteen years after the commencement of this Act:
(c) is of full age and adult,
(d) is sui juris, subject however to the law relating to mental illness, and
(e) is not under any disability or incapacity of infancy.
(2) Subsection (1) does not affect the construction of words which:
(a) are contained in:
(i) any matter (whether in writing or not) constituting or evidencing a civil act in which any person participates before the commencement of this Act, or
(ii) the will of a person dying before the commencement of this Act, and
(b) refer to infancy or adulthood, to full age, to incapacity or capacity, or to disability or ability, or refer to a person being or not being sui juris, or make any similar reference:
except so far as the context otherwise requires.
(3) Subsection (1) does not affect:
(a) the construction of any reference to "the adult male basic wage", the "adult female basic wage", or any similar expression in any Act or in any instrument made under an Act,
(b) the construction of any Act, or of any instrument made under an Act, so far as the Act or instrument gives rise to any liability for fine or imprisonment or other punishment for an offence, or
(c) the power to make any order under Part 3 of the Guardianship Act 1987 or the construction or operation of an order made under that Part.

If I have to be like him who is going to be like me?
James 1:25 The Perfect Law of Liberty
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Posted - 09 Feb 2014 :  01:41:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In 8 years I have not heard anyone shed further light on this critical word "person" since the very detailed explanation by Oneisraelite at the bottom of page 10 of this topic.

Here is the missing piece of the puzzle.

The definition cited by Oneisraelite from Bouvier's shows that there are only 2 types of persons: natural and artificial. It has previously been assumed that since the Govt doesn't treat us as natural persons, then the statutes must be written only for corporations, which are the other option, being artificial persons.

But if you read the definition of "corporation" in Bouvier's, you will see that this simply does not fit either. Oneisraelite's suggestion of a "corporation sole" seemed to be an answer, until I had a judge tell me very definitely that this was incorrect. I have yet to have a judge steer me wrong with legal advice. They usually point out the most glaring error in your argument, and then say no more before they rule against you. But at least you know what line of thinking NOT to pursue the next time!

Then one day, someone suggested to me that everything was really Estate Law in disguise. And as I pondered this I suddenly saw that everything the Govt system does with "persons" is correct, and fits, and is lawful, if they are speaking of DEAD natural persons. Soon after that, I found my second witness, also in Bouvier's:

REPRESENTATION OF PERSONS; A fiction of the law, the effect of which is to put the representative in the place, degree, or right of the person represented.

2. The heir represents his ancestor. Bac. Abr. Heir and Ancestor, A. The devisee, his testator; the executor, his testator; the administrator, his intestate; the successor in corporations, his predecessor. And generally speaking they are entitled to the rights of the persons whom they represent, and bound to fulfill the duties and obligations, which were binding upon them in those characters.

3. Representation was unknown to the Romans, and was invented by the commentators and doctors of the civil law.

What does every single example of a represented person have in common in the above definition? They are all DEAD!

So if Congressmen represent persons, and lawyers represent persons in our modern legal system, what does that tell us about the persons, since they are obviously able to be represented?

And so you will find that the most progress being made these days in trying to decode the statutory legal system, is by those pursuing this notion that all statutes are Estate Law in disguise, providing rules that govern the dead.

And when the living show up in their courts, we are not the persons their law applies to. But they rope us into standing surety for those persons the moment they can get us to answer for the person, because we are now the representative, and are therefore "bound to fulfill the duties and obligations, which were binding upon" the person!

Honi soit qui mal y pense
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Jay Scott
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Posted - 09 Feb 2014 :  10:20:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey man!

A quick search turned up an online Bouvier's.

Jay Scott.
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