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Posted - 20 Dec 2001 :  05:16:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The several bondmen in Christ Jesus who wrote the very first non-statutory abatements in early "1993" and first presented them to the public in January, 1995 have grown in their own edification and walk with Him and have made several changes to the abatements and in understanding of related matters, in conforming solely to His Word and further avoiding the dead ways of the world.

A new website has been put up by those of the Christ's Lawful assembly giving recent updates to the Book of the Hundreds (Fourth Edition , Revision Two). which includes the Prolegomena to Current Martial Rule, the Matters concerning His Lawful assembly Handbook (replacing the "Christian Jural Society Handbook"), and the Non-Statutory Abatement Handbook.

Matters concerning His Lawful assembly at: http://ecclesia.org/truth/abatement.html

"Consistent with His ways for edification, the continued publishment of these Matters are to be supported as He directs your heart; not from the burden of a price or through paid commercial advertisements. There are no restrictions on copying these pages if they are given away, free of monetary gain, profit, or other emolument of any type, kind, character, or description, for 'freely ye have received, freely give" - Matthew 10:8

For a fuller understanding of how the King's men have grown in our understanding, please refer to the Matters concerning His Lawful assembly Handbook, which begins;

quote:
"As we continue our exodus out of the house of bondage with the confusion and fascination that reigns therein, and reach His promised land of simplicity in and of Him, we continue to leave behind all of the dead ways of the world, thereby fulfilling His command to 'come out of her My people."

Consistent with this exodus and joyful fellowship with all called and assembled by Him in and to His Lawful assemblies, through His revealed knowledge and understanding we will continue to shed the dead errors of the past by the road, and by His Grace, never to return to those ways again; that we may, by His Grace, walk in newness of Life in faithfulness to Him. To enter in to this simplicity and to continue the separation of the bone from the marrow, a change of the name of the work (Christian Jural Society Handbook/Christian Jural Society News) many may have, or have had, in their possession is warranted. "

For more information, including a free info pack which will be sent out at no cost to you, you may phone Randy Lee at 818-347-7080.

Be sure to hear the 'Matters concerning His Lawful assembly' network radio show hosted by Randy Lee and Nicklas Arthur - *broadcast live* on

http://www.truthradio.com
http://www.truthradio.com/mchla.html

on Thursday mornings at 11:05 A.M. Pacific Time on Truth Radio One, or via satellite at Galaxy 9, Transponder 2, Audio 5.4.

You may call in during the show, toll-free, at (888) 878-8436 (888-TRUTH-36).

Edited by - All4Him on 17 Aug 2002 09:24:49

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Some new things have been learned about Law, written Law, the Bible and the subject of Non-Statutory Abatement (sometimes called Ecclesiastical Abatements, although the first people to design and use these abatements prefer not to call them "Ecclesiastical", as that term tends to have a specialised meaning, relating only to the (Roman) Catholic Church (a Canon-Law corporation existing in a self-created 'State' known as 'Vatican City' or The Holy See. Official website: http://www.vatican.va/)

The main thing other than the "importance of the words we speak/use" that makes an Abatement effective, in fact the primary thing that makes Non-Statutory Abatements work, is the fact of what types of ACTIVITIES the abator engages in; if one lives in MAN's un-natural, un-Good-ly cities and gathers even gold and silver coin to himself, that man is behaving as someone of the 'world' and not as a child of Good, subjecting themselves to the dominion of the 'officers' (police, ATF, IRS, DEA MJTF, court 'officers', et cetera).

Only by living the peaceful way of Life, which is the way of Jesus, can we truly free ourselves from the grip of these worldly minions of evil.

The written Non-Statutory Abatements *might* be needed, but if one lives on the good land given to us by the Holy Spirit of Good, respecting all of the creation of Good by living and eating without killing, the written Non-Statutory Abatements may never be needed.

Many people, including myself, have exclaimed, 'These Abatements are all well and good, but they aren't EFFECTIVE in the "REAL WORLD".. even Randy Lee of the Christ's assembly at California has told me that "they can choose to ignore it [the Abatement] or they can choose to honour it.. depends on how the judge is feeling that day...", which seemed a real let-down for me.

I asked Randy how I can go around this Big Island of Hawai'i and plant fruit trees, without signing paperwork creating joinder to the dead, worldly government AND without losing the car/truck/boat whatever transportation if I choose to avoid applying for a license for same, and Randy just told me that those things are of the world anyway and that that was part of 'rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's', that the automobile is just a polluting machine designed to create profit for the evil-doing entities destroying the Holy Parent's creation, to not be attached to such things, and to
realise that "the earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof", which means I don't own anything anyway... hence I also wouldn't be able to get back any
'property' I was using or possessing anyway...

Randy said, "what I do is just get another car, I buy them for like a couple hundred dollars and rarely use them" (paraphrase).. so they are easily replaceable. Randy suggested that it is all right, but not preferred, to temporarily use the car to get the Project's plantings of fruit trees started, and at some later time I could junk the title to the car and stop using it. I figured out that I would probably be on the road for about a couple of hours maximum before I'd be pulled over for not having State license plates, etc. and so the automobile idea would be ineffective that way. There is little in the way of public transportation, and of course boats are also regulated for "persons" in the State; any boat I would use, without me having applied for and paid for a license to use it would likely also be confiscated.

I thought about all that and said to myself, "then what is the point of doing all this Non-Statutory Abatement stuff if we wind up impeded in doing our part of upholding the Holy Parent's Law?, losing all the still-necessary-to-make-it-practical things like automobiles, boats, whatever? "

I realised that for one main thing, just living by that Law would protect us.. the words in the Book of the Hundreds came back to me, "the abator must be what he says he is"... this led me to realise that the only way to be totally free of the evils of the modern world is to leave it all behind and restore Paradise on earth.... in the meantime, it *might* be okay to have the drivers' license, State-paid insurance, et cetera ... especially since I am already receiving, and long-term though not permanently in need of, SSI checks (paid to a legal fiction entity) and food stamps to help me get by... If I am planting the food and good gardens and make that my primary focus, I will be able to free myself completely from 'the system', not needing to buy or sell, work and support 'the beast' of 'the system', not needing automobiles or otherwise, because the land, nature and the Good nature in people (and everything else!) will support us 100%... we won't even NEED to go from place to place to get things (no need for cars, etc.) because everything we need will be right there on the land.

One other good thing to remember:

1) You cannot be held in jail for longer than 72 hours maximum unless you sign their ticket or paper (they don't get paid unless you sign... maybe you never thought of why it is they seem to NEED that signature!!)

2) You don't have to sign the ticket or paper (that's why they give you a choice... the 72 hours of holding cell time is only a means of coercion to get you to sign the paper so that they will get paid for your stay in jail; it's just a racket and amounts to extortion... too bad they won't punish the jail and court system's minions under the RICO statutes... they take care of their own)

3) If you need to abate their abandoned paper/ticket/whatever, they cannot proceed further in prosecution; the 72 hours, and any confiscation and impoundment of things in your possession are all they can do to you

and most importantly:

3) Living in the worldly scene and being subject to the minions of that realm
of evil is TEMPORARY, so long as you are truly living by the Way of the Holy Parent designed for us to live by, which may be called the Way of Paradise.

"Paradisian".

Matters concerning His Lawful assembly radio show:
http://www.truthradio.com/mchla.html

Edited by - All4Him on 17 Aug 2002 09:13:26
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rdm
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Posted - 05 Jul 2002 :  11:11:36  Show Profile  Visit rdm's Homepage  Send rdm a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
To hear Randy Lee's Dallas, TX Christian Liberty Seminar with John Quade you can go to MV Spoken Word Hotline Server and download the 12 hours of audio for FREE. Instructions for download are at:
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/rdm/mvsw.html

You'll also find many other free seminars there including the 3rd Edition discussions regarding BBCOA.com's new Cracking the Code book and the related seminar by "Lightbringer" called "Regaining Freedom Through Private Contract".

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Posted - 23 Jul 2002 :  10:51:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings and salutations. I had served for Me the non-statuary abatements regarding two traffic citations, tags and license violations. We followed Randy Lee's process, excepting We inserted the ancient hebrew names for the Father and Son. The Judge read it and had it 'filed' into the court record. A warrant was called forth for the capitalized named man, yet one was never issued! The Sheriff knows where I stay, and has many more things on his mind than harassing Me. As We enter the promised land, our Father promised to go before Us.......but......it is up to Us to 'cross the river'{of death}. The new man is the resurrected man. Ressurect means to Stand Up. Normally We have sea legs and wobble somewhat at first. No big deal............we were at sea{admirality law] our whole lives! Remember, America had scripture Law at one time....on the land. The beast rose up out of the sea........IF You say to this mountain,{govt. of man}, "be thou removed into the sea, and doubt not" you will find out who You really are. We are guaranteed some bruises as We play the game of Life, but, hey, it is better than sitting and watching. Paul was made a 'spectacle' hoping fellow Israelites would WAKE UP. The game is still going on, and the book of Acts is chapter 1000 and something!
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Posted - 23 Jul 2002 :  13:46:39  Show Profile  Visit rdm's Homepage  Send rdm a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
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The Judge read it (non-statutory abatement) and had it 'filed' into the court record. A warrant was called forth for the capitalized named man, yet one was never issued!


In the Christian Liberty Seminar, mentioned above, they told a story about a man who had a similiar experience. He successfully applied the abatement process and the charges against the ALL CAPS NAME didn't attach to him. While no warrant was issued against the real man, there was indeed a real warrant against the all caps name. It never showed up in the cops computers but it was filed within their own domain (the court). What happened is the abatement worked exactly as it is supposed to, but the man didn't fully understand what happened.

The rest of the story was this man went back to this same court in a divorce proceeding and as soon as he answered to the ALL CAPS NAME the bailiff immediately arrested him on the past warrant that was issued. Why? Because he rebutted his own abatement and answered for the ALL CAPS NAME. The warrant was real and attached to him when he answered as a surety for that NAME.

Moral of the story? Once you have successfully abated the suretyship of the real living flesh and blood being for the obligations of the ALL CAPS NAME (STRAWMAN), DO NOT go back into their domain (the court). The warrant was real, it just didn't attach to the real man. If you rebut your own abatement by answering for the STRAWMAN within their domain they will execute the warrant.

So like you say, once you leave their world of make-believe, never re-enter it voluntarily again.

We were called out of their "babylon" (confusion) and commanded as servants of the Father to stay out of their courts. Paul admonished the early believers to settle their disputes amongst themselves. Randy Lee and John Quade tried to give us a model for how we could accomplish this in the above named seminar. They gave a complete outline, for establishing lawful Jurial Societies. Maybe they were ahead of their time, but the calling remains and we could still learn what they had to teach us in how to lawfully order ourselves as a deJure society that can handle its own disputes outside of the world's court systems. If you haven't heard their seminar, be sure to download the seminar and read the Book of the 100s at Randy's WWW site. A great place to start...

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Edited by - All4Him on 17 Aug 2002 09:26:13
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Thank you for posting the information on where to download the Liberty Seminar featuring Randy Lee and John Quade. I have just three short comments... one is that I noticed that the section of the Liberty Seminar named "Part 4", is nothing more than "Part 1", mis-labeled "Part 4"!

The other thing is that, according to more recent copies of the Book of the Hundreds, the "Christian Jural Society" idea was abandoned in favour of "the Christ's Lawful assembly", because the term "jural society" has a more statutory connonotation, it refers to the people at large rather than a separate body of believers (those of the Christ's Lawful assembly are not "low and lawless forms of humanity" and therefore aren't part of "the public at large" and because the term refers to the people's morals and such rather than the deeper wisdom of the Creator, for higher Jurisprudence.

Also please note that that seminar is old, from about 1996, and so much has been learned and unlearned with regard to the details and even some of the basic 'theory of the case' since then... it's highly recommended to also get the more recent materials made available by Randy Lee, including the archived shows of the Matters concerning His Lawful assembly Internet/satellite radio show on http://www.truthradio.com/mchla.html

That Liberty Seminar will, however, explain a lot of detail about Non-Statutory Abatements, that was not revealed in the Book of the Hundreds; it is still also highly recommended.

Good Blessed,

"Paradisian"

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rdm
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Posted - 23 Jul 2002 :  16:39:15  Show Profile  Visit rdm's Homepage  Send rdm a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ParadiseGardens:
Thank you for posting the information on where to download the Liberty Seminar featuring Randy Lee and John Quade. I have just three short comments... one is that I noticed that the section of the Liberty Seminar named "Part 4", is nothing more than "Part 1", mis-labeled "Part 4"!



I went back and checked these, and they are indeed different. The introductions sound very similiar but if you hang in there you will note the Part 4 does follow part 3 as he recaps what they went over the previous day. You'll also note that part 4 is almost a meg bigger in size than part 1.

quote:
Originally posted by ParadiseGardens:
The other thing is that, according to more recent copies of the Book of the Hundreds, the "Christian Jural Society" idea was abandoned in favour of
"the Christ's Lawful assembly", because the term "jural society" has a more statutory connonotation, it refers to the people at large rather than a separate body of believers (those of the Christ's Lawful assembly are not "low and lawless forms of humanity" and therefore aren't part of "the public at large" and because the term refers to the people's morals and such rather than the deeper wisdom of the Creator, for higher Jurisprudence.



I appreciate this comment as I agree with the change. They could go a little further with the notion in regards the non-statutory abatements. They are overly complicated and the same results can (and have been) done with a much simpler Affidavit. I've used the same principles of the non-statutory abatement in a simple Affidavit sent the Clerk of Court before the court date by Registered Mail followed by a Notice of Default on 3 different traffic citations. All of these were dismissed as if they never existed by simply giving testimony by affidavit that I, the living being, is not the ALL CAPS name. Recently helped another fellow defeat an $800 traffic citation with this same simplified Affidavit method. Compressed in one zip file the documents are no more than 161k. I can email it to anyone interest or it is also on the MV Spoken Word Hotline Server where the Randy Lee Seminar is.

quote:
Originally posted by ParadiseGardens:
Also please note that that seminar is old, from about 1996, and so much has been learned and unlearned with regard to the details and even some of the basic 'theory of the case' since then... it's highly recommended to also get the more recent materials made available by Randy Lee, including the archived shows of the Matters concerning His Lawful assembly Internet/satellite radio show on
http://www.truthradio.com/mchla.html



Yea, I agree. It is best listened as "historical background" material filtered by all the new discoveries made since then.

One thing though, the last two files on contracts by Randy at the TruthRadio archive can't be downloaded or listened to. Maybe one day these will get fixed. You have any way to tell the person archiving these shows of this problem?

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Oh wow... you are quite correct about the two parts being different. Boy, they sure do start off almost identically... it's as though every word, hem and haw was rehearsed by Randy when he introduces John Quade.

Interesting, the Affidavit.

I think that Randy and those guys want the abatement documents to be as powerful as possible and as versatile as possible... maybe the affidavidit would work on an $800. traffic ticket and not on a $200,000 IRS lien for example, so the abatements are designed to fit even the toughest situations.
I would be interested to see your paperwork though. Maybe you could just attach the file to your next post on this topic?

They could go a little further with the notion in regards the non-statutory abatements. They are overly complicated and the same results can (and have been) done with a much simpler Affidavit. I've used the same principles of the non-statutory abatement in a simple Affidavit sent the Clerk of Court before the court date by Registered Mail followed by a Notice of Default on 3 different traffic citations. All of these were dismissed as if they never existed by simply giving testimony by affidavit that I, the living being, is not the ALL CAPS name. Recently helped another fellow defeat an $800 traffic citation with this same simplified Affidavit method. Compressed in one zip file the documents are no more than 161k. I can email it to anyone interest or it is also on the MV Spoken Word Hotline Server where the Randy Lee Seminar is.

"Paradisian".

Matters concerning His Lawful assembly radio show:
http://www.truthradio.com/mchla.html

Edited by - All4Him on 17 Aug 2002 09:34:59
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Posted - 23 Jul 2002 :  23:59:15  Show Profile  Visit DanielJacob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Pardon me, but are you fellows looking at and listening to old material?

John Quade has not been part of Randy's ministry for nearly four years. The abatement has been reworked within the last year and a half. All new. All of that stuff that John Q talks about is water under the bridge.

Peace unto you.
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Posted - 24 Jul 2002 :  10:54:40  Show Profile  Visit rdm's Homepage  Send rdm a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DanielJacob:
Pardon me, but are you fellows looking at and listening to old material? John Quade has not been part of Randy's ministry for nearly four years. The abatement has been reworked within the last year and a half. All new. All of that stuff that John Q talks about is water under the bridge.



Yes, you're right. Should have made it very clear at the beginning that the information is dated and of the many improvements. But over-all the nature of the seminar is still good as in broad sense of what is possible. Many of the principles are still the valid and the many definitions and quotes they bring out are great foundational material. The historical presentation of how we got to where we are today is also timeless.

This seminar is balanced out with many of Randy's more recent talks on contracts, general delivery and Words. Although for some reason can't download the last two talks at the truthradio archive on contracts. Have you heard the last two shows on contracts from the truth radio archive?

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Having been edified through deep, intensive and radical (meant 'of the root') study, I have come to the following conclusions about the use of the common 'scripture' in Non-Statutory abatements; I wish my position on this to be made clear and to state for the record, that at this time, I differ on this point greatly with the position of Randy Lee and Richard Anthony (et al) of the Christ's assembly at California:

To DanielJacob and all: After much study and soul-searching, I have decided to publish this statement:

I've just noticed a couple of things I'd like to point out to you... (an excellent reference on the Internet is Keith Akers' website at http://www.compassionatespirit.com/was_jesus_a_vegetarian.htm)... You **need** to read this, try to refute the claims made there, you can't!

1) God does not create evil, adversity or calamity, man does, directly, by disobeying God! God can't create evil, man does by his disobedience to God!

In the Old Testament, it says that God creates evil. You have explained this as saying that when a man "sins" (the word "sin" hasn't been defined by you anywhere on your website, it appears), God punishes him by creating evil
(adversity, calamity) in the man's life, to teach him the right way to live.

In the New Testament, it says that Jesus said that wherever the light (God) shines, there can be no darkness.

The word "sin" means "without".

God is said to be the supreme power over all. I agree with this!, however....

The word "God" has been mis-attributed by you... you claimed to me that the word "good" was derived from the word "God", and not the other way around. You are mistaken. I looked up both "good" and "God" and discovered that the word "God" goes back in historical usage no further than its use in OHG (Old High German), "got". The word "good" goes back as far as its root word in Sanskrit, the word "gadh", meaning "to hold fast" (Jesus might have called that 'holding fast' as the Rock [of Ages], the "sure foundation" or rock, the rock of the truth, that can be recognised by men, just as Peter recognised Jesus as the Christ, after which Jesus said "upon this rock I will build my ekklesia [called-out assembly]).

Having defined God as being good, ipso facto, then how is it that God 'creates evil' (or creates calamity or adversity)? Jesus clarifies this point by pointing out that 'wherever the light (God) shines, there can be no darkness'. Jesus was saying that the darkness (adversity, calamity, evil) is not in or from God at all, but from Man hiding from God's light of goodness!

The word "sin" means "without". If God is the supreme source of Good, by definition, then the only way a man could be living in "sin" is to live "without" God's way ... in other words, to use his own free will to disobey God... therefore bringing the evil (adversity, calamity... adversity to God, obviously enough to me) upon himself, not God creating it!

This is in keeping with the 'definition' of the word "God", that God can do or create no evil, adversity to God, or calamity! Only man does those things.

Man has been trying to avoid paying for his sinful ways by trying to get something else to pay the consequences of his rebellion to God, in many ways, throughout the ages... the most glaring example to come to mind is the thousands of innocent animals slaughtered in the completely contradictory idea that somehow by killing innocents, man can be absolved of the consequences of the evils which he commits, his rebellion to the way of God.... the idea of the "scapegoat" where they would let a goat out into the wilderness to die alone of thirst and starvation, to substitute for the people that should have paid the consequences for the evils they themselves had committed... the whole idea of substitution of a guilty man for an innocent man or innocent animal is totally evil itself...

Let's see. John Doe robs a family at gunpoint, kills everyone in the house, reads 'Scripture' and it tells him that Jesus died on the cross "in place of" him having to receive the death penalty. If that is the modern mis-understanding of "God's Word", then I want no part in that modern misunderstanding! Charles Manson read that stuff in the Bible, read it literally, saw that Jesus called himself only the "son of man", and Manson (man's son, Manson; same in his mind) ordered the slaughter of innocents, to take his place ("died for us", the whole concept of substitution, disguised under the euphonious term "sacrifice" or worse yet, "perfect sacrifice"). Are you saying that Charles Manson and the like didn't do evil because Jesus substituted and "bore his infirmities", absolving him of sin? I sure hope you're not!

I'll bet you're thinking, 'this guy is saying that Jesus doesn't agree with the Old Testament ideas of substitution of innocents for the guilty to absolve sin; there can't be any contradiction in this book! What blasphemy !'(to man?)

... Well, Jesus even says in the New Testament that he "came to save that which was lost"...meaning the "people" (i.e. those that create adversity with God!)... the people were sinning by the Old Testament ideas. If the Old Testament idea of "sacrifice" was "the law", and Jesus came both to "save that which was lost" and to "fulfill the Law", then Jesus must have meant that he came to fulfill the "true Law of God", not any "statutes" of men, that men themselves "called" law!

When Jesus was in the garden at Gethsemane, he prays to the Father (why is he praying to himself if he "is" the Father, speaking through the body of Jesus 'of Nazareth'?): 'if it be your will, let this cup pass from me'.. if Jesus believed in the idea that his body had to be sacrificed or that any body of an innocent (animal or man) had to be sacrificed, then why does he "ask" the Father if it's really His will that Jesus be crucified? Hmmm.

Jesus repeats this when he says 'Abba, Abba, [translated]: why hast thou forsaken me?" ... he obviously doesn't believe in 'sacrifice' of innocents in place of the guilty!

2) Paul contradicts Jesus!

I finally found another fundamental contradiction between Paul and Jesus... namely that Paul advocates eating innocent slaughtered animals "without complaint and without conscience", whereas Jesus himself went to his physical torture and death on the crucifix, specifically for having tried to upset the sale of animals for sacrifice in the "temple" (the temple then was nothing more than a shambles, a meat market, presided over by "priests" of the Sanhedrin (the chief group of pharisees which Jesus despised the actions of), which were all subject to the overseeing of Tiberius Augustus Caesar; even tribunals which were to be eventually directed to king Herod for 'the Jews' had to pass by him first for approval, it appears... to determine if any statute laws of the Roman imperium had been violated first!

Jesus stated that the temple would be thrown down in three days... the temple is where the shambles (the meat market and its hideous animal slaughter tables were)...

Mark 11:15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; 16 And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. 17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. *18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.*

Paul says, in direct contradiction to Jesus (to my shock; I didn't know the word "shambles" until Keith Akers pointed it out to me!)

1 Corinthians 10:23 ¶All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. 24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

(How's that again? Doesn't that go against the "thou shalt not covet" commandment, 'written directly by the finger of God'? Here Paul is justifying the ripping off of the people with the lies about innocent animal sacrifice being pleasing to God, and also profiting on it by selling the people unblemished animals for sacrifice [and keeping the 'good' spotted ones for themselves.. ] :( )

25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

(Hmm... here Paul tries to justify this evil which was being promoted by the Roman imperium to slaughter the innocent and do it without question, and without conscience!)

27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

1 Corinthians 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? 30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? 31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

(In other words, if you want to sin, try to keep in mind Paul's words, to the effect that "all things are lawful unto you", to justify it by falsely attributing it to God. This is "rightly dividing the truth"?? Not!!)

32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. 29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

Oh, so there's a double standard here, ey Paul? If Paul does sin, it's his "liberty", if another man (who disagrees with Paul, like Jesus for instance!) does what Paul calls sin, it is only their own conscience?? Whew!, the True and Living God would never put up with this sort of evil, putting light for darkness and darkness for light!

30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

(Oh, okay, Paul, as long as sweet, euphonius words of thanks come out of your mouth or through your writings, and attorn the words to make it appear that that which is evil [the slaughtered innocent] is given by God as some good gift [a bald face lie!], then it's okay? Paul, you have passed your BAR exam!... what a shyster!)

31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

(or you might wind up like Jesus, hanging from a crucifix in pain, being ridiculed by all the people and fed gall and vinegar... interesting that he uses the words "Jews", "Gentiles" and "the church of God", never "Israel" or "God's people", etc.. Hmmm.)

33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

(Yes, yes, all politicians say the same, Paul... )

What is even more interesting along these points are the letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Augustus Caesar. It is clear to me from these examples alone, that Jesus and Paul contradict one another very sharply...:

Matthew 9:13 "But go ye and learn what [this] meaneth, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice . . . "
Matthew 12:7 "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless."
Matthew 21:12-13 "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
Mark 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

(these verses above were found compiled at http://www.compassionatespirit.com/bible-verses.htm).

You will notice that pro-meat eating/slaughter of innocent animals/"sacrifice" references in scripture are far fewer than pro-vegetarian/preservation of man and beast/responsibility for own evil acts references in scripture.

This tells me that there are fundamental contradictions between what Jesus taught and lived and what is all through the Old Testament, and the epistles of Saul.... I mean "Paul".... meaning that the "Holy Bible", even in its uncopyrighted versions, is inconsistent within itself, as a compilation.

First I thought that I was content with quoting only from whatever scripture verses that the Father showed me were true while in guidance with Him whilst reading. Then people said "you can't just pick and choose scriptures", which I now realise is erroneous and ridiculous, because Jesus himself doesn't quote in full the entire Old Testament in any way or form... he only picks and chooses what scriptures to quote, excerpting it in fact, *every time*... but still, I figured, why not just stick with the words of Jesus in the Four Gospels?; even if Jesus does quote from the Old Testament, the fact he *repeats* it in the New Testament should resolve both the issues of 'avoiding dissension or division amongst the Christ's assembly' by sticking to 'approved', familiar scriptures, and of 'not picking and choosing verses' [even though Jesus did] and using whole sub-books of the 'Holy Bible', rather than parts of them. I was content doing this until people pointed to verses which were little more than opinions *about* what Jesus did and said, and about Jesus' and the Father's purpose or purposes...

then I figured, 'well, I can just quote merely the *dialogue* of Jesus and whomever he conversed with, leaving out the biblical commentaries...

Well, that didn't last too long either; first I realised that both Matthew and Luke are said to have been derived from the book of Mark which was written earlier than Matthew or Luke. Hmm. Matthew the tax collector, Luke the historian.. it is said that "the conqueror writes the history".. Hmm. Okay, then, I'll just use the book of Mark, including only the dialogues with Jesus.

That didn't last too long either, when I was shown in the amazingly revealing Skeptic's Annotated Bible that even in the book of Mark, Jesus is said to have done many cruel things to innocents... some examples:

Mark 5:12-13: Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave.

Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Mark 7:9-13)

OT comparative reference: Dt.21:18-21 :

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

(Is this the loving, merciful God speaking through Jesus? Is this the real Jesus or a fabrication? The real God, by definition, is good, remember... ? It the "God" you refer to is one of no compassion, who is contradictory, cruel, unmerciful and unforgiving, then you are following a false god! ... which leads me to point 4 below):

4) Clear contradictions in scripture! (I 'dare' you to refute these!!):

(amazing reference, may drop your jaw to the floor): http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contradictions.html

... possibly the greatest list of carefully cross-linked and in many cases clearly irrefutable scriptural contradictions ever assembled!

I'll admit, some of the "contradictions" the Skeptic's Annotated Bible points out are either trivial, based on little study, based on literal interpretation of words in Middle English, etc. but there are also many, many verses shown to be in clear contradiction, even upon comparison with the Brenton Septuagint and/or Berry Greek New Testament.

I was going to point out a few "favourite" contradictions, but there are so darn many that I think it will have a greater impact on you to see them all together. Read and be edified!

One last comment in this regard for this message to you:
My purpose in pointing these things out to you is that I must live with the Truth; I cannot support the use of scriptures that are so full of contradictions, cruelties attributed to God (which god?), cruelties attributed to the Messiah, Jesus the Christ, etc. whether quoted (or misquoted) in non-statutory abatements or otherwise. I pray that you will see the error here and keep to the principles of Good... and if you must use "written" Law, I highly recommend, after much searching and cross-referenced study, the following:

The Essene Gospel of Peace of Jesus, the Christ, translated by Edmond Bordeaux Szekeley. Here we find a compassionate, loving Jesus, with all the attributes properly belong to God in man (Immanuel). The original manuscripts have been photographed and have more recently (1977) been dated to the third century, A.D. (although they were originally dated at the first century A.D. in the 1937 edition). The "Vatican" denies the existence of the originals, and it is no wonder why!... for the same reason they crucified the Messiah... it interfered with their evil, 'Satanic' ritual of the slaughter and bloodshed of innocent animals *and people*, and their "profits" (how they probably spell "prophets" :( made on the unsuspecting people.

(references:
Essene Bible -
http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/matters/EsseneBible.html
http://www.essene.com/GospelOfPeace/peace1.html
http://www.compassionatespirit.com/strange_new_gospels.htm

(Keith Akers didn't realise at the time of writing the "Strange Gospels" article above, that there existed phtogaphs of the original scrolls from which the translations are derived. This is the one testament of Jesus, the Christ from antiquity that even diligent, radical researcher and author Keit Akers couldn't do much to refute. The immediate foregoing is based upon a recent telephone call made by myself to Keith Akers.

I would also like you to note the fact that I have been made aware by Keith Akers that the Gospel of the Holy Twelve is little more than a compilation of allegedly 'channeled' words from 'spirits in the night', and that the rest of the Gospel of the Holy Twelve is supplemented straight out of the King James Authorized Version. Please pardon the error on my part; it turns out that there is only one web page on the entire Internet (which I obviously hadn't seen) which quotes from the *original* "Explanatory Preface" to the Gospel of the Holy Twelve, missing from *every* other edition of the Gospel of the Holy Twelve existing on the Internet or in its current hard-copy published form.

I will *not* support the evil of the moneychangers/murderers of innocent annimals and people and shall continue to follow after the model of Jesus, the Christ and more importantly the Heavenly Father (Parent), and I am therefore *removing* all references to the Septuagint, Berry New Testament, etc., and replacing them with the Essene Bible.

"Paradisian"

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Well, Mr. Paradise, it is bad enough that you went and posted your reply in several places on this WebSite -- consuming much memory on their server. BUT -- there is a great deal of weak thinking in your reply. For instance,

**you say **
quote:
Having been edified through deep, intensive and radical (meant 'of the root') study, I have come to the following conclusions about the use of the common 'scripture' in Non-Statutory abatements; I wish my position on this to be made clear and to state for the record, that at this time, I differ on this point greatly with the position of Randy Lee and Richard Anthony (et al) of the Christ's assembly at California:

To DanielJacob and all: After much study and soul-searching, I have decided to publish this statement:

I've just noticed a couple of things I'd like to point out to you... (an excellent reference on the Internet is Keith Akers' website at
http://www.compassionatespirit.com/was_jesus_a_vegetarian.htm
You **need** to read this, try to refute the claims made there, you can't!

1) God does not create evil, adversity or calamity, man does, directly, by disobeying God!

God can't create evil, man does by his disobedience to God!


** My Reply **
You say man can create evil, but God cannot. So man is greater than God! – since God is limited in this field, and man is not. Is this is an utterly ridiculous statement, or what? It shows a profound lack of thought and understanding.

MAN CANNOT CREATE ANYTHING! He can only DISCOVER what already exists (having been created by The Creator). There is no such thing as an “invention.” It is merely the DISCOVERY of existing but UNMANIFESTED laws, principles and designs – and bringing them down from the World of Thought into the Physical World.

So man CANNOT POSSIBLY create evil. He can only CHOOSE to entertain evil thoughts or good ones. In this tiny circle is his ONLY CHOICE AND “FREE WILL.”

BUT – having once chosen, he MUST follow his destiny. There is a saying, “We can reject God, but we CANNOT reject Satan.” Simply put, once we reject the good (God), where else is there to turn? – only the other side remains – EVIL – which we have chosen by default.

**You say**
quote:
The word "sin" means "without".


** My Reply **
The word “sin” literally means, “to miss the mark.”

**you say**
quote:
God is said to be the supreme power over all. I agree with this!, however....

Having defined God as being good, ipso facto, then how is it that God "creates evil" (or creates calamity or adversity)? Jesus clarifies this point by pointing out that 'wherever the light (God) shines, there can be no darkness'.

The first statement answers the second. You have just answered your own question.

Jesus was saying that the darkness (adversity, calamity, evil) is not in or from God at all, but from Man hiding from God's light of goodness!

The word "sin" means "without". If God is the supreme source of Good, by definition, then the only way a man could be living in "sin" is to live "without" God's way ... in other words, to use his own free will to disobey God... therefore bringing the evil (adversity, calamity... adversity to God, obviously enough to me) upon himself, not God creating it!


** My Reply **
You are splitting hairs. God created Light AND Darkness. Pleasure AND Pain. Male AND Female. Good AND Evil. You cannot have one without the other. Can you have only one end of a stick? Impossible! God created these for our CHOICE. He gave us an alternative to His perfected state vs. the imperfections of this world. You choose!

**you say**
quote:
Man has been trying to avoid paying for his sinful ways by trying to get something else to pay the consequences of his rebellion to God, in many ways, throughout the ages... the most glaring example to come to mind is the thousands of innocent animals slaughtered in the completely contradictory idea that somehow by killing innocents, man can be absolved of the consequences of the evils which he commits, his rebellion to the way of God.... the idea of the "scapegoat" where they would let a goat out into the wilderness to die alone of thirst and starvation, to substitute for the people that should have paid the consequences for the evils they themselves had committed... the whole idea of substitution of a guilty man for an innocent man or innocent animal is totally evil itself...


** My Reply **
I though Jesus was the innocent substitute for our guilty ways. I must be wrong.

In any event, the “scapegoat” is a SYMBOL – as is the vast majority of Biblical lore. The whole purpose of this ritual (as with most rituals) was to help the people focus on the Heavenly, instead of being caught up in their worldly cares, guilts and sorrows, with no place to go. This ritual and the many others in the Bible, have a very deep meaning unrealized by most scholars.

As for animals being “innocent,” – this is a case of personification – imputing human attributes to animals. Animals are neither “innocent,” nor “guilty.” They have no CONSCIENCE – which is the NECESSARY VOICE of our Creator in our hearts, to tell us right from wrong. Animals do not know “right from wrong.” They do not have a Conscience. Is it wrong for a lion to devour an “innocent” lamb? IT IS NATURAL!

**you say**
quote:
Are you saying that Charles Manson and the like didn't do evil because Jesus substituted and "bore his infirmities", absolving him of sin? I sure hope you're not!


** My Reply **
If Charles Manson were TRULY REPENTANT, then even he could have Eternity. This is the beauty of The Message. For there is NO EVIL that cannot be forgiven. On the other hand, if there is no Repentance – no emptying of one’s Soul to receive The Gift – then how can our Creator fill our cup?

**you say**
quote:
When Jesus was in the garden at Gethsemane, he prays to the Father (why is he praying to himself if he **is** the Father, speaking through the body of Jesus 'of Nazareth'? 'if it be your will, let this cup pass from me'.. if Jesus believed in the idea that his body had to be sacrificed or that any body of an innocent (animal or man) had to be sacrificed, then why does he ***ask*** the Father if it's really His will that Jesus be crucified? Hmmm.


** My Reply **
THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER! This is a perversion of the original teachings that has not been effectively challenged for centuries, if not millennia. Neither can THE SON save us. He could not even save himself! NOWHERE in the Bible does The Son claim to be The Father. The passage about “I am in The Father and The Father is in me,” has been interpreted in this matter incorrectly. He is speaking about The Spirit of The Father – with which He became one – as God’s Spirit will fill us (if we would only PERMIT HIM!)

**you say**
quote:
2) Paul contradicts Jesus!

I finally found another fundamental contradiction between Paul and Jesus... namely that Paul advocates eating innocent slaughtered animals "without complaint and without conscience", whereas Jesus himself went to his physical torture and death on the crucifix, specifically for having tried to upset the sale of animals for sacrifice in the "temple" (the temple then was nothing more than a shambles, a meat market, presided over by "priests" of the Sanhedrin (the chief group of Pharisees which Jesus despised the actions of), which were all subject to the overseeing of Tiberius Augustus Caesar; even tribunals which were to be eventually directed to king Herod for 'the Jews' had to pass by him first for approval, it appears... to determine if any statute laws of the Roman imperium had been violated first!


** My Reply **
PLEASE! This is really a stretch! There you go again, with that “innocent animal” garbage.

**you say**
quote:
Jesus stated that the temple would be thrown down in three days... the temple is where the shambles (the meat market and its hideous animal slaughter tables were)...


** My Reply **
He was talking about the Temple of the Body.

**you say
quote:
Mark 11:15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;
16 And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
***18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.***


** My Reply **
The Temple was supposed to be specially set aside for Spiritual practices, but became perverted by COMMERCIAL practices. THAT is the reason He threw out the money launderers – NOT because they were selling meat.

**you say**
quote:
Paul says, in direct contradiction to Jesus (to my shock; I didn't know the word "shambles" until Keith Akers pointed it out to me!)

24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

(How's that again? Doesn't that go against the "thou shalt not covet" commandment, 'written directly by the finger of God'? Here Paul is justifying the ripping off of the people with the lies about innocent animal sacrifice being pleasing to God, and also profiting on it by selling the people 'unblemished' animals for sacrifice [and keeping the 'good' spotted ones for themselves.. ] :( )


** My Reply **
Obviously, he was imploring good people to look after the wealth (welfare) of others, before looking after themselves. Why is this so hard to see?

**you say**
quote:
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.

(Hmm... here Paul tries to justify this evil which was being promoted by the Roman imperium to slaughter the innocent and do it without question, and without conscience!)


** My Reply **
Having become attached to a wrong ASSUMPTION, you are going further and further out on that limb. I hear it now . . . . . C-C-R-A-A-A-C-K-K-K ! ! !

**you say**
quote:
27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

1 Corinthians 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? 30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? 31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

(In other words, if you want to sin, try to keep in mind Paul's words, to the effect that "all things are lawful unto you", to justify it by falsely attributing it to God. This is "rightly dividing the truth"?? Not!!)


** My Reply **
This is yet another misunderstanding of the verse writer’s intent. “DO ALL TO THE GLORY OF GOD,” is the instruction. If that is done properly, then THERE IS NO SIN! – in ANYTHING that you do.

I do not have the time to point out any more “misunderstandings.” There are far too many. Clearly, you do not have a concept of “the big picture” – that the TRUE NATURE of these Scriptures is SPIRITUAL. You have become EXACTLY like those legalistic Pharisees who got caught up in the words, yet had NO CLUE about the SPIRIT of the Law. You know where they are now.

HOWEVER, you appear to be an honest seeker – unlike those Pharisees of old. This is your salvation and your hope for True Understanding. (UNDERSTAND – to “stand under,” be subservient to, the Truth.)

And do not get all flustered by my rebukes. What are Fellow Travelers on The Path for? I have often asked “friends” to criticize any faults that they noticed in me. We all KNOW how the Ego likes to hide those things from us, to “feel good about itself.” Invariably they say something like, “Oh, no -- I cannot criticize YOU! It is not my job, and besides, I do not want to lose a friend.” So what kind of a “friend” would not point out a weakness in me, to let it fester and eventually destroy me? This is not a “friend,” but a FIEND!

This is the SPIRIT in which I rebuke you.

Be Well,
George
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I won't even honour "doer"'s completely backwards and erroneous reply to my last post with a reply to it... I am posting this here to make a final and succinct statement regarding my position. It is an exact and complete copy of the last e-mail I received from Richard Anthony, the one who put together the "the Christ's Lawful assembly"/"Devoted to Truth" websites and who is now working closely together with Randy Lee, who is credited in large part for having originated the first non-statutory abatement, in 1993 which was released to the public in 1994. It is in this thread because most of my other posts are also in this thread; this is ***not*** a reply to any post in this thread but is here to make my position clear and to clarify that on the issue of 'who or what is the ultimate authority of Truth'. Richard Anthony/Randy Lee and myself are in total disagreement on this issue and this is also being posted here to make public the direction that Richard Anthony is taking the "Study Materials" (including 'their' websites mentioned herein above) they publish.

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quote:
Originally posted by ParadiseGardens:
Interesting, the Affidavit.

I think that Randy and those guys want the abatement documents to be as powerful as possible and as versatile as possible... maybe the affidavidit would work on an $800. traffic ticket and not on a $200,000 IRS lien for example, so the abatements are designed to fit even the toughest situations.
I would be interested to see your paperwork though. Maybe you could just attach the file to your next post on this topic?

They could go a little further with the notion in regards the non-statutory abatements. They are overly complicated and the same results can (and have been) done with a much simpler Affidavit. I've used the same principles of the non-statutory abatement in a simple Affidavit sent the Clerk of Court before the court date by Registered Mail followed by a Notice of Default on 3 different traffic citations. All of these were dismissed as if they never existed by simply giving testimony by affidavit that I, the living being, is not the ALL CAPS name. Recently helped another fellow defeat an $800 traffic citation with this same simplified Affidavit method. Compressed in one zip file the documents are no more than 161k. I can email it to anyone interest or it is also on the MV Spoken Word Hotline Server where the Randy Lee Seminar is.

"Paradisian"


Can you email me at [email protected] with the info?
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Can God create evil? No. This would imply evil is within God to manifest it.

Can one create heat yes... can one create cold? No, one can only create the absence of heat. There is a limit to how cold things can be... there is no limit to the amount of heat as heat is the burning of energy.

Can one create light? Yes, we can turn on a light bulb (okay it is not really creating but controling... deal with the example). Can one create darkness? No, darkness is the absence of light. You can always add more light, but when there is NO light you can not add darkness.

God is light(GOOD). In him there is no darkness! Does this mean that God created good? Yes. Read Genesis and you will see "God said it was very good!". So where does evil come from? Not from God, but rather the lack of God.

Do men who live Godly lives and obey the Laws of God do evil? Only when they are not doing the will of God... the ABSENCE of GOD!

Heaven will consist of God and God's Glory... it is stated it will be a good place.

HELL is the absence of God... it will BE EVIL where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth. Not that it is created, but rather a place where God's presence will be removed.

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Greetings this passover night. Isaiah 45:7...I {YHWH} form the light, and create darkness, I make peace and create evil: I YHWH do all these things. Job 2:10...But he said to her {unregenerate wife} Thou speaketh as one of the foolish women speak. What? shall we receive good at the hand of Elohim and shall we not receive evil? In all this did Job not sin with his lips. Lamations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High proceedeth not evil and good? Evil can only serve the purposes of the Most High.
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Baruch Atta Adonai Elohenu...

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
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quote:
Originally posted by n/a

Oh wow... you are quite correct about the two parts being different. Boy, they sure do start off almost identically... it's as though every word, hem and haw was rehearsed by Randy when he introduces John Quade.

Interesting, the Affidavit.

I think that Randy and those guys want the abatement documents to be as powerful as possible and as versatile as possible... maybe the affidavidit would work on an $800. traffic ticket and not on a $200,000 IRS lien for example, so the abatements are designed to fit even the toughest situations.
I would be interested to see your paperwork though. Maybe you could just attach the file to your next post on this topic?

They could go a little further with the notion in regards the non-statutory abatements. They are overly complicated and the same results can (and have been) done with a much simpler Affidavit. I've used the same principles of the non-statutory abatement in a simple Affidavit sent the Clerk of Court before the court date by Registered Mail followed by a Notice of Default on 3 different traffic citations. All of these were dismissed as if they never existed by simply giving testimony by affidavit that I, the living being, is not the ALL CAPS name. Recently helped another fellow defeat an $800 traffic citation with this same simplified Affidavit method. Compressed in one zip file the documents are no more than 161k. I can email it to anyone interest or it is also on the MV Spoken Word Hotline Server where the Randy Lee Seminar is.

"Paradisian".

Matters concerning His Lawful assembly radio show:
http://www.truthradio.com/mchla.html



I haven't been able to access the Hotline server. It might not even be active now. If someone has the information in that zip file (or any other experiential information on the results of using an abatement) I would appreciate it if they could email me with it. Thanks!

[email protected]

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LimboBoy,

My Hotline Server does not work, either, at this time. You could go to
http://galileo.spaceports.com/~matters/

Search for "Book of the Hundreds." Download it, or order a copy from Randy Lee. It explains Non-Statutory Abatements in great detail.

Be Well,
Doer
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quote:
Originally posted by doer

LimboBoy,

My Hotline Server does not work, either, at this time. You could go to
http://galileo.spaceports.com/~matters/

Search for "Book of the Hundreds." Download it, or order a copy from Randy Lee. It explains Non-Statutory Abatements in great detail.

Be Well,
Doer



Doer,

Many thanks for the link! =) I've actually been reading the Book of the Hundreds already; I'm about halfway through it. I haven't found very many sources of Liberty information which were so well-put, or with such sensible and thorough reasoning and cites. Ideally, I'm looking to get some experiential information from those who have used the Abatements. Because the Abatements are a powerful measure of protection against defective processes in law but evidently not against evils done by other men outside of it, I'd like to find out if there is any specific reason that a commercial lien on a different part of the matter would hamper or invalidate an Abatement. And if so, whether there is a tool more in accordance with God's Law that would appropriately protect my Life and Liberty. Do you know where I could learn these things?

Be well,
LimboBoy
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Posted - 15 Apr 2003 :  22:16:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LimboBoy,

"Non-Statutory Abatements" are NON-STATUTORY! That means, you NEVER, NEVER, EVER mix them up with ANY statute, else they become completely invalid! Their power is in the Common Law -- the lex non scripta (unwritten Law). So be perfectly clear on that -- or Caesar will nail you to the cross -- and he uses really BIG nails!

Yes, the Abatement's limitation is that it generally work best in situations of obvious "government" violations against our Individual rights. On the other hand, most personal damage cases are handled through the courts with lawyers, judges and other messy things. GOOD LUCK!!! (on getting any kind of "justice").

There are other Common Law means to protect one's property and Sovereignty from violation by governments and perverts (such as lawyers, judges, "officers" and others of Caesar's minions). This involves copyrighting of your good name, which is your property. Thereafter, any unauthorized use of your name for commercial purposes would result in damages being paid to you. This would include such things as traffic tickets, liens, levies and other "process" used by governments, banks, IRS or whomever, in an effort to part you and your hard-earned labor.

These methods have been discussed in this Forum, so you have some homework to do. Check ALL the posts under “The Roman World”:
Civil Governments
Attorneys & BARflies
Statute Law -- including
ARRESTED for no Driver's License
Cop Financially Ruined
UCC
Etc.
The Common Law

Happy reading!

Be Well,
Doer
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