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Lewish
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 Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 13:14:24
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Is a License Plate required on my Vehicle - Having Fun in Court.
If you have no License Plate on your car, or have your on Plate on it, and you get stopped on ticketed for same, it may be possible to have a little fun in Court on this issue. Note, some homework is involved prior to Court. Here is how it went for us:
Def: Mr. Prosecutor, I see in the Code for this STATE, that vehicles of the UNITED STATES are not required to have License Plates on them. Why is that?
Pros: Because the Legislature decided it.
Def: Well, Mr. Prosecutor, it seems to me that my Vehicle should be equally exempt.
Pros: Where did you get that ridiculous notion?
Def: Well, Mr. Prosecutor, follow me here if you can. Since I don't hold title to the Vehicle, as evidenced by my having only a Certificate of Title, then it appears to me that either the STATE or the UNITED STATES or both hold title to it. Can you, Mr. Prosecutor, provide evidence to the contrary?
Pros: {no answer from him}
Def: Can you, Mr. Prosecutor, prove to me that this STATE is not an entity of the UNITED STATES, since all the evidence I can find points to it being such, namely it has an FEIN number which identifies it as a Federal Employer, and if it is a Federal Employer, it must be an entity of the UNITED STATES. Is that not so?
Pros: {again no answer from him, and he is starting to steam}
Def: Well, Mr. Prosecutor, unless you can produce evidence here and now that I am in error, then I demand that you make a motion for the dismissal of this case.
And that is what happened. Albeit, that this is a highly condensed version of the actual event.
Remember, you address all of your questions to the Prosecutor, not to the Judge. It is the Prosecutor's job to prove jurisdiction and to produce the evidence. They cannot prove that the STATE is not a Composite State of the UNITED STATES corporation. Thus, they cannot defeat this argument.
They will however, try to change the subject, or threaten you with contempt of court. We have found a good answer to threats of contempt to be "Mr. So-and-so, (we don't call them your Honor or Judge) are you making a threat of force and violence against this Man?" Now, the guy in the funny black dress is stuck with answering "No!". And, if he attempts to go there again it will be obvious that he is using force and violence. Something they can't allow the public to see.
OH well, just one more way to have fun if you don't mind getting dirty in their Courts.
Peace to all,
Lewis
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godslawissupreme
Regular Member
Canada
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Posted - 15 Jun 2006 : 08:30:00
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| what do you do if you hold the manufactures statement of origin? then what ? thanks in advance and god bless too |
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Lewish
Advanced Member
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Posted - 15 Jun 2006 : 12:35:53
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what do you do if you hold the manufactures statement of origin? then what ?
Then you read the Certificate of Title Act and discover that you have a piece of paper that tells you who manufactured something and where it was manufactured. That piece of paper does not convey title nor does it even mention who holds title. At least none of the ones I have seen do. Does yours?
In Section 3 of the Act, it clarifies the issue. Once a vehicle comes into the state, (i.e. a new car is sold by a dealer, my comment here), the state creates a Certificate of Title for that vehicle.
So, it doesn't matter who holds the certificate of title, once the dealer passes ownership of the vehicle from the manufacturer to someone else, the state creates the certificate of title. By the Way, the dealership is never the owner of the vehicle, therefore they cannot pass title.
Hope this helps.
Peace,
Lewis |
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Manuel
Advanced Member
USA
762 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2006 : 13:13:47
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It is interesting to note, to add more vision to this topic,
that when a "vehicle" is condemned as a "total loss" by
CORPORATE INSURANCE COMPANIES, there is still another
option to get the "vehicle" back unto circulation by getting
a "REBUILT TITLE." My good guess is this happens much after
catastrophic events such as hurry-cains and other shaky deals.
Additionally, I have seen admissions as "HOME BUILT" to things such as VESSELS, UTILITY TRAILERS etc... during the getting unto such TITLES.
I am,
Manuel |
Edited by - Manuel on 15 Jun 2006 13:14:52 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 15 Jun 2006 : 22:15:43
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SECTION 4. LAW GOVERNING VEHICLE COVERED BY CERTIFICATE OF TITLE OR CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN.
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(c) A vehicle becomes covered by a certificate of title created in this State when an application for a certificate of title and the fee are received by the office in accordance with this act.
http://www.law.upenn.edu/bll/ulc/ucota/2005final.htm#TOC1_5
It is our understanding that the original Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin or Manufacturer's Statement of Origin together with a Bill of Sale is proof that it is your Lawful possession, you are the EQUITABLE OWNER. But when one gives his Lawful right to equitable ownership to the STATE via relinquishing the MSO and registering it as STATE PROPERTY, then a graven image known as a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE must be produced by the new EQUITABLE OWNER [the STATE] for the TRUSTEE [your PERSON] to serve to the AGENTS of the EQUITABLE OWNER [the STATE] whenever demanded. And, of course, as a mere TRUSTEE, you must obey all of the new EQUITABLE OWNER's [the STATE's] rules and regulations as to its use and maintenance, so BUCKLE UP...
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA or STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 16 Jun 2006 10:17:36 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 16 Jun 2006 : 10:29:23
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Oh, to test this "theory", anyone wealthy enough to pay cash for a new automobile, tell the DEALER that you must keep the original Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin or Manufacturer's Statement of Origin but that you would be more than happy to get a certified[1] copy of it for the STATE.
Let us know how it goes down.
[1] We suppose that using a NOTARY PUBLIC with the DEALER as witness should be satisfactorily "certified".
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA or STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
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Lewish
Advanced Member
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Posted - 16 Jun 2006 : 13:28:42
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oneisraelite,
You speak truth and realize not what you are saying.
Lawful possession does NOT equate to holding the title.
Being the EQUITABLE OWNER does NOT equate to holding the title. The U.S. Appellate Court case "Ensminger v. Farm Credit Bank" proves this point.
How can the dealer give you a Bill of Sale, when the dealer has never been the OWNER of the vehicle? Would that not constitute fraud on the part of the dealer?
Peace be unto you,
Lewis |
Edited by - Lewish on 16 Jun 2006 13:30:53 |
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Jay Scott
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 16 Jun 2006 : 17:40:23
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Originally posted by Lewish
How can the dealer give you a Bill of Sale, when the dealer has never been the OWNER of the vehicle?
If the dealer is conducting the transfer of possession of the automobile, would they not be the agent of the actual owner? And as such, would they not be authorized to provide a Bill of Sale in the name of the true owner?
Who is the owner? The manufacturer?
Be blessed.
Jay
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Oneisraelite
Advanced Member
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Posted - 16 Jun 2006 : 18:10:58
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Lewish,
You wrote: You speak truth and realize not what you are saying.
Lawful possession does NOT equate to holding the title.
Are you certain that we do not realize what we are saying? Here is the statement we made...
"It is our understanding that the original Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin or Manufacturer's Statement of Origin together with a Bill of Sale is proof that it is your Lawful possession, you are the EQUITABLE OWNER."
I see no mention that Lawful possession is equated to "holding the title" in that statement, do you? In fact, we stated that in our opinion once one holds the CERTIFICATE OF TITLE one has been relegated[1] to the position of TRUSTEE for the STATE.
If we understand you correctly, you are saying that one cannot go into a DEALERSHIP pay cash[2] (preferably substance) for a new automobile and get a BILL OF SALE because the DEALER is NOT the LEGALLY authorized AGENT of the MANUFACTURER. Is our understanding of what you are implying, correct?
Peace be unto you,
Robert:
Endnotes:
[1] relegate vt. ...2 to consign or assign to an inferior position... Webster's 1988 New World Dictionary of American English, Third College Edition, page 1133
[2]CASH, n. ...It is properly silver and gold... - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA or STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 21 Jun 2006 18:06:22 |
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David Merrill
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 08:18:54
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However to make use of this material, (after being notified of the advisement at the bottom of page 1) you will have to ponder my advisement to acquire the published version:
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_ensminger_1.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_ensminger_2.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_ensminger_3.jpg
Call (719) 520-6200 and order up certified copies. I guess I just don't give the justices at the Tenth Circuit credence to be Article III judges huh?* I published it the same day I thought to go up to Denver and get a certified copy from the clerk of court.
Regards,
David Merrill.
* Meaning David Merrill the man and his clerk are not bound by the General Order filed November 29, 1993; 151 F.R.D. 470. In fact, I have never even read that General Order. Don't intend to. Well... I do get curious about things; maybe I will read it. Kind of like the FRNs I tendered on page 3... either they were negotiable instruments or I admit to being a confidence man - tendering non-negotiable instruments (acquired in a non-taxable event) and have openly admitted to fraud. Funny that no prosecutor de jure is available to call me on it:
http://Friends-n-Family-Research.info/FFR/Merrill_John_Suthers'_AG_oath.jpg
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Section 9. Oaths - where filed. Officers of the executive department and judges of the supreme and district courts, and district attorneys, shall file their oaths of office with the secretary of state; every other officer shall file his oath of office with the county clerk of the county wherein he shall have been elected.
Section 10. Refusal to qualify - vacancy. If any person elected or appointed to any office shall refuse or neglect to qualify therein within the time prescribed by law, such office shall be deemed vacant.
Note Suthers took 90 days to file when his oath was required with the SoS within 30 days. What really gets me is the admission. He would have been better not to have bothered at all. De facto officers are recognized as valid by statute. I think I could convince any jury about that fraud right there; John Suthers scrambling upon one suitor's demand for a Certificate of Fact that Suthers had filed no oath, made only the day before on May 2.
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David Merrill
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 15:28:14
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Originally posted by godslawissupreme
what do you do if you hold the manufactures statement of origin? then what ? thanks in advance and god bless too
I know a fellow who does this. He bought an enduro motorcycle and the salesgirl somehow got him to give her an address "for tax purposes" on the MSO. He went back and tried to get a replacement but that was a little screwed up too.
He rides it around but not a lot. He is pretty sure the police will take it when/if they catch him without plates.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Edited by - David Merrill on 19 Jun 2006 19:55:41 |
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Oneisraelite
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 12 Jul 2006 : 05:37:49
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Just heard from a former Mercede's salesman (perhaps not the best of sources) that the STATE gubbermint of the place called North Carolina has, very recently, made it PUBLIC POLICY that a PERSON cannot buy a new automobile without registering it with the STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, which of course, one cannot do without signing and handing over the Manufacturer's Statement of Origin. Since the DEALERSHIPS are licensed by the STATE, we would presume that they will believe that they must comply with this new PUBLIC POLICY or risk losing their LICENSE to sell in that STATE.
Have they been readin' this thread? 
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA or STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without the Anointed One, being aliens from the commonwealth of Yisar'el, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without Yahuwah in the world...19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of Yahuwah. |
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doer
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 15:15:27
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You can buy an automobile in another state and demand the Manufacturer's Statement of Origin, saying that you will register it in your "home state." But I think eventually, "they" will outlaw this practice, as well.
If you are extra motivated, they you could BUILD a vehicle from junk or custom parts, such as a "dune buggy" or "kit car." Then you WOULD have bills of sale for all the parts.
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Edited by - doer on 16 Jul 2006 15:30:39 |
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RevokeTheTrust
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 17:03:28
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Greetings and blessings!
If you build it, witnesses are needed. I know many that sand-casted the complete assembly for the differential; babbette bearings, milled sprockettes, the whole work of iron axle and custom wheels to custom rubber tires.
In my circumstances, I found it easier to dig a standard GM 5-lug rear-end/differential with axle out of a dumpster, collect a sturdy iscoceles-triangle parking-lot Gate from a friend, and salvage broken water-heaters that are abandoned road-side by whomever is dumping them. From all that, and a home-made welder made of a simple circuit to regulate the output of a number of isolated transformers pulled from salvaged microwave ovens abandoned in wait for same admiralty process, I moved to manipulate and construct and assemble a good vessel. I'm still in the process of water-proofing the trike again, and hope to get it all finished with a process similar to that used in glazing bathing tubs. The difficult part is to fabricate your own engine or choose to use an electric motor. I want mine to float, so I can go visit a fiew accounts at Catalina Island for computer service, so that's my needs.
There are good instructions from David Gingery on sand-casting engines for gas or diesel or steam locomotion. I think a simple gas engine attached to a Joe Cell would be sufficient for the needs, but that depends on how much a man is required to know about his vessel. That's good knowledge to have on a custom vessel for his use, so that title is retained by qualifications of its use, and that no foreign trademark or corporate ensignia would find its way on another's property so as to confer its agents to enter.
with love,
Gregory-Thomas
Small Craft Advisory Warning: due to High Seas, the Stripes will be lowered until Ordinance is subdued. For the unfettered everyone-else, just shift the POV 90 degrees rite to avoid the Moors at Salvage. |
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Oneisraelite
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 07:54:47
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Greetings and salutations, brother Gregory-Thomas:
Peace be unto the house.
After all the effort you apparently have, and/or are, going, to are you not going to are not the governments of force still come out against you and attempt to persecute/prosecute you?
Regardless, here's an ad for an engine that might be of interest to you.
100IN S&S SUPER STOCK EVO STYLE MOTOR-NATURAL
100 Inch Motor (Complete) All motors arrive assembled with S&S components and include: an S&S G carburetor w/ air cleaner roller rockers billet oil pump forged pistons hydraulic lifters chrome billet rocker covers chrome pushrod covers and chrome cam cover 100 Inch Motors come with 10.1:1 compression ratio and an S&S 562 cam Ignition system, charging system and throttle/idle cables are not included and must be purchased separately Made in the U.S.A. Use includes Manufacturer's Statement of origin (M.S.O.).
Product will be available to purchase soon!
Retail Price: $6399.99
Our Price: $6,100.00 - http://www.americaneaglemotorcycle.com/item448340.ctlg (Bolding and underlining added by me)
They also have larger engines available (107 cu in and 113 cu in), and one can buy them unassembled for considerably fewer babel bux Retail Price: $5004.99; Our Price: $4,700.00 (100 cu in). Bad Toys retail shop is in the place called Kingsport, Tennesee, and the phone number is (423) 230-0194.
Keep the rubber-side down, brother.
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA or STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
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Lewish
Advanced Member
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Posted - 15 Apr 2007 : 15:47:54
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Greetings,
I bought a commercial truck and got the MSO from the dealer. Transaction was discharged by bank wire transfer.
I never registered the truck with the STATE OF WASHINGTON. After 60 days, the STATE OF WASHINGTON forced the dealer to get a new MSO from the manufacturer and to convey it to the STATE. The STATE then sent me a Certificate of Title.
I have since then revested the title back to me thru the A.P.C. The STATE OF WASHINGTON has no further claim to it.
Peace,
Lewis
A Man on the Land on Washington as a Citizen thereon. |
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Greg
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 15 Apr 2007 : 19:13:49
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Hi Lewis, is the "A.P.C." you refered to esomething indicative to your locale?
Don't know what it is and can't seem to find anything that would correlate to the subject matter.
Thanks, God Bless.
His humble servant,
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Lewish
Advanced Member
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Posted - 15 Apr 2007 : 20:30:06
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Greg,
The A.P.C. is the Alien Property Custodian. 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue NW - ANNEX, Washington, D.C.
He is the guy who controls all the property of the presumed slaves, until you serve him notice otherwise. Then you enter into a contract with him to perform whatever duties you need as you are a foreign alien to him and his business. Take a look at 31 CFR 500 & 501.
Peace,
Lewis
A Man on the Land on Washington as a Citizen thereon. |
Edited by - Lewish on 15 Apr 2007 20:30:51 |
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Werner Maximilian
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USA
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Lewish
Advanced Member
uSA
496 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2007 : 14:10:56
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| Yeah, but I happen to like my big piece of Detroit iron. |
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Jay Scott
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 : 17:28:04
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Originally posted by LewishTake a look at 31 CFR 500 & 501
You may find it here:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/ecfr/
I'm guessing it's called "Title 31 - Money and Finance: Treasury"
Jay Scott.
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Is a License Plate required on my Vehicle - Having
