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David Merrill
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 Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 10:41:48
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Granted your apology is forthcoming.
"Iehouah" has no "W" in it. However the "U" is pronounced like a "W". Like I have been saying, a cross between a soft "V" and a hard "W". Following the "O" sound. That is the way it is intended to be spoken by the original authors.
My $50 book about pronouncing the Name is still on order but should be in soon.
Regards,
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David Merrill
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 21:38:38
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Book's in. And it starts a little cryptically - "But first, is a name actually important?" (End of Introduction.) So you may have to wait for me to read a while into the book before we get Gerard Gertoux's true opinion on the correct pronunciation. But he goes into the same argument I made above.
On the one hand he says since Yehudah is pronounced so; that YHWH logically is pronounced Yehuwah. But would seemingly contradict himself in one sentence saying, "This slight improvement gives the name YHWH the pronunciation I-eH-U-A (Iehoua), the equivalent of YeHoWaH in Masoretic punctuation." But that turns out to be that "U" may be pronounced "(or O)".
And in the next paragraph says,
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Consequently, because the Tetragram is obviously the ultimate theophoric name, its reading had to be Yeho-aH to be consistent with all other theophoric names (YHWH can be read YHW-H).
So Gerard is aware of the doctrine I linked from Encyclopedia Judaica.
www.ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Yehudah.jpg
Fast-forward to page 30 and we find the original Hebrew for Jesus is Yehoshua';
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There exist currently therefore five possible pronunciations of the original name Yehoshua, that is to say: Jesus, Josue, Jason, Yeshua, and Yehoshua'. (emphasis added)
Here note that Gerard Gertoux discards the convention of pronouncing Jesus' Hebrew name Yehushua'. So therefore I will likely find in the extensive analysis of the pronunciation of YHWH that the author espouses Yehowah rather than Yehuwah.
And by the way, the actual cover art is, "The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is Pronounced as it is Written I-Eh-oU-Ah - Its Story" The top of every even numbered page says, "The Name of God YeHoWaH. Its Story".
Regards,
David Merrill. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 24 Jun 2005 21:39:54 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 27 Jun 2005 : 17:37:02
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I thought this book would be a bit of a bore but am finding it quite interesting. The author develops the name through four methods. The last he uses is the most reliable. Only one of the less reliable suggests Yehuwah (Ihua) at all, 73% chance; opposed to Yehovah at a 92% chance by this same method.
On page 52 Gerard Gertroux says upon the most reliable methodology:
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From the preceding one can deduce that around the third century before our Common Era the Jews avoided the pronunciation yahû. Was this the pronunciation of the Name? The answer is no, because as we have seen, this name Yahû was the substitute used by the Jews in the letters (of Elephantine) dated of the fifth century before our Common Era.
One can verify that, without exception, the theophoric names beginning in YHW- are vocalized YeHO- (IO- in the Septuagint), and those ending in -YHW are vocalized -YaHU (Ia or IOU in the Septuagint). Additionally, the vowel a very often follows the wequence YeHO-, that is to say the "normal" sequence is YeHO-()a is so universal in theophoric names that some names have been 'theophorized' by assonance...
Yet another careful Hebrew scholar agrees with Strong's, Young's and Richardson's concordance/lexicons. Well it is good to finally put that one to bed Oneisraelite.
Regards,
David Merrill. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 27 Jun 2005 17:40:23 |
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Linc
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 04:21:06
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Originally posted by David Merrill
I thought this book would be a bit of a bore but am finding it quite interesting. The author develops the name through four methods. The last he uses is the most reliable. Only one of the less reliable suggests Yehuwah (Ihua) at all, 73% chance; opposed to Yehovah at a 92% chance by this same method.
Thank you for reading Gerards book, David. How did you feel about his beginning essays on "What does it mean to know the Name"? I agree with his position; I am mystified that anyone could feel any differently about it.
I too winced at the $47 price tag, but now that I have it I'm glad I paid it. The book is worth every penny. Even at $80 it would have been worth it.
After all, George and Jorge are the same name, yet pronounced differently. But to KNOW their names means to know their fame, power or authority. If you don't acknowledge the authority of King George, then really you don't know his name, even if you shouted it at the top of your lungs with perfect diction all day long.
Whatever his other flaws, David Merrill actually went and read Gerard Gertoux' book. I wish everyone else here would do the same; I have never seen the Sacred Name so extensively documented. Gerard's book contains pictures and references to almost every known ancient inscription of the name, and also all names the incorporate the Sacred Name.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 10:02:48
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The definitions of the word name from Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language with this authors notes in red, purple and blue. We hope it leads to a more complete understanding of this word and virtually all its subtleties. We apologize for the length of it, but deemed it necessary to cover the subject even superficially.
Name
NAME, n.
1. That by which a thing is called; the sound or combination of sounds used to express an idea, or any material substance, quality or act; an appellation attached to a thing by customary use, by which it may be vocally distinguished from other things. A name may be attached to an individual only, and is then proper or appropriate, as John, Thomas, London, Paris; or it may be attached to a species, genus, or class of things, as sheep, goat, horse, tree, animal, which are called common names, specific or generic.
This is the primary duty of a Proper or Appropriate Name; it sets one apart, it distinguishes one from other beings. That by which one is called: I call on Jehovah the One to be praised; and I shall be saved from my enemies. 2Shama’el (Samuel) 22:4
1st person: “Praise the lord!”
2nd person: “Uh, excuse me, but is it Lord Braxton, Lord Pomelroy or Lord Yahuwâh you wish to praise? You see lord is a common or generic name; please be more specific…if you can.”
2. The letters or characters written or engraved, expressing the sounds by which a person or thing is known and distinguished.
Note well that the little marks known as letters or characters that are written or graved only are there to express the sounds by which someone is known and distinguished.
3. A person.
They list with women each degenerate name.
These are also common names, but we find it quite interesting that old Noah associated person and degenerate.
4. Reputation; character; that which is commonly said of a person; as a good name; a bad name.
Note that in this the word ”name”, in and of itself is what is being referred to, and is here, not a Proper Name. The word ”name” could acutally be supplanted with reputation or character without losing meaning, i.e. he is known as a man of good reputation (name); a bad character ( name).
5. Renown; fame; honor; celebrity; eminence; praise; distinction.
What men of name resort to him?
Again we see that the word ”name” can be replaced with any or all of these words, renown; fame; honor; celebrity; eminence; praise; or disinction, i.e. what men of distinction (name) resort to him? What men of renown (name) resort to him? Etc., etc., etc.
6. Remembrance; memory.
The Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven. Deu 29.
And God said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial (remembrance) from generation to generation. Exodus 3:15
When the adversary supplanted the Supreme Suveran’s (Sovereign’s) Proper Name with common or generic names, their desire was to take it and thus Him from our remembrance; or memory. They wanted to blot His name out of the earth (from under [the] heaven/sky)
nomina si nescis perit cognitio rerum. If you know not the names of things, the knowledge of things themselves perishes. Co. Litt. 86. Maxims of Law from Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary
And we cannot say that we weren’t warned of this:
I have heard what the prophets said, those who prophesy lies in My name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long is this there in the heart of the prophets, the prophets of lies; yea, the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? They plot to cause My people to forget My name by their dreams which they tell, each one to his neighbor, even as their fathers have forgotten My name for Baal.
One more time, we remind everyone who reads this, that Ba’al means Lord. Here it is once more from Easton’s 1897 Bible Dictionary if you don’t believe us: Baal Lord. And from Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language:
Baal
BA'AL, n. The word signifies also lord, or commander; and the character of the idol was varied by different nations, at different times. Thus Baal Berith is supposed to signify the Lord of the Covenant; Baal Peor, or rather Baal Phegor, the Lord of the dead. Ps. cvi, Baal Zebub, the god of flies, &c. Note via that last one that lord and god can be used interchangeably; this is extremely important knowledge.
7. Appearance only; sound only; not reality; as a friend in name. Rev 3.
Self-explanatory, we hope.
8. Authority; behalf; part; as in the name of the people. When a man speaks or acts in the name of another, he does it by their authority or in their behalf, as their representative.
And yet again when the word “name” is used to mean authority, the word “authority” can replace it without any loss of meaning, and generally speaking, when it is used this way it will be preceded by the word “in”.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deu 18:19
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Deu 18:20
I will also leave a poor and weak people in your midst, and they shall trust in the name of Jehovah. Zep 3:12
In this specific instance the Proper Name is used only so that we know in whose authority a thing is said or done. And again, note well that the word name could be replaced with authority with no loss of intent, i.e. in the authority of Jehovah.
9. Assumed character of another.
Had forged a treason in my patrons name.
This refers to authority again, but in the third person. Self-explanatory, we hope.
10. In Scripture, the name of God signifies his titles, his attributes, his will or purpose, his honor and glory, his word, his grace, his wisdom, power and goodness, his worship or service, or God himself.
This is correct and is what we are hopefully demonstrating with this exercise.
11. Issue; posterity that preserves the name. Deu 25.
7 My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Yisra’el, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
Self-explanatory, we hope.
12. In grammar, a noun.
Self-explanatory, we hope.
To call names, to apply opprobrious names; to call by reproachful appellations.
Self-explanatory, we hope.
To take the name of God in vain, to swear falsely or profanely, or to use the name of God with levity or contempt. Exo 20.
Now this one gets really interesting! To take the Name in vain, can mean to bring his reputation; character; authority; renown; fame; honor; celebrity; eminence; praise; and/or distinction to naught i.e. to make it empty; hollow; meaningless; or disreputable. And this is precisely what was/is done when His Proper Name was/is removed from the Scripture! This is exactly why Noah Webster c. 1828 said this:
When Lord, in the Old Testament, is printed in capitals, it is the translation of JEHOVAH, and so might, with more propriety, be rendered.
Propriety
PROPRI'ETY, n. [L. proprietas, from proprius.] 2. Fitness; suitableness; appropriateness; consonance with established principles, rules or customs; justness; accuracy. Propriety of conduct, in a moral sense, consists in its conformity to the moral law; propriety of behavior, consists in conformity to the established rules of decorum; propriety in language, is correctness in the use of words and phrases, according to established usage, which constitutes the rule of speaking and writing. 3. Proper state.
And, of course, accuracy is what we all want, right??
To know by name, to honor by a particular friendship or familiarity. Exo 33.[/blue]
17 And Jehovah said to Moses, This thing which you have spoken I will do. For you have found favor in My eyes, and I know you by name.
Christian name, the name a person receives by baptism, as distinguished from surname.
The name a child receives by baptism is his or her Proper and Peculiar Name, as distinguished from surname…a surname is a family name, so though it too is a Proper Name, it is common to all in that family, and as such it is a common or specific name, which takes us all the way back to the end of definition number one (Thank you Noah Webster): “…or it may be attached to a species, genus, or class of things, as sheep, goat, horse, tree, animal, which are called common names, specific or generic.
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 28 Jun 2005 17:10:13 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 14:41:42
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I enjoyed the essays on the importance of knowing the Name. I breezed through that section in complete agreement. Thanks for mentioning it. I tend to take it for granted when an author agrees. You are right, it is difficult to estimate what value to place on truth - in a book form. I have usually managed good investments bookwise by trusting my heart.
I will admit that for a few minutes in Starbuck's (adjacent to the bookstore) I was a little disturbed with you Link. I thought the author was headed for the Yahuway pronunciation and considered that you had just cost me $47 for a deliberate and lengthy debunking of his work. Especially if you already had the book and could have posted his views.
A quick look at Hebrew words like Shem, Debar and G Onoma amplify some of your points Link.
OneIsraelite;
I have spent a lot of time studying name. I have printed out your treatise and am going out to a quiet wilderness park to sit in the shade of a tree to savor it correctly. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 28 Jun 2005 14:43:08 |
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georgealexander
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 11:49:27
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I considered myself a 'wordsmith' until I first encountered oneisraelite over a year ago. I have collected a private dictionary of oneisraelite's posts.
Today I order a headstone for my mother. Several phrases in yesterday's post 'spoke' to me and have aided me in my decision.......but
3. A person.
They list with women each degenerate name.
These are also common names, but we find it quite interesting that old Noah associated person and degenerate.
I was driven to my linear computer: 1936 Funk & Wagnall's New Standard Dictionary of the English Language (unabridged). F & W in no way depart from Noah.
My mind - pre occupied - looked to 'generatrix' ie 'mother' and it occurred to me 'women' as 'generatrix' increase the 'name' of their husband's tribe, therefore a 'decrease' of their father's tribe.....a de generation.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 16:43:17
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Wow! George!
I am not sure you are right but I saw something in that. A flash revelation that may take some time to sink in. In the doodle below, I am of course describing two dimensions. I think you may be describing the third.
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Resonance3.gif
OneIsraelite;
I enjoyed your treatise about name. Thanks for pointing out the end of Noah's definition agrees with my findings about true name and legal name. The legal name has been custom and usage for so long it is amazingly difficult to really express its (legal name) misuse against men and women in bankruptcy proceedings.
Regards,
David Merrill. |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 04:52:23
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Greetings brothers and sisters,
Peace be unto the house.
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The legal name has been custom and usage for so long it is amazingly difficult to really express its (legal name) misuse against men and women in bankruptcy proceedings. [Emphasis added]
Now put that together with some other thoughts on the subject.
NAME, PERSONAL. Practically everyone since the beginning of history has had a name. Some explorers have reported discovering primitive tribes where people had no names. In these cases, tribesmen were probably reluctant to disclose their names to a stranger. A superstition, widespread among primitive peoples throughout the world, held that if a person knew your name, he could acquire power over you and bring harm to you. Some peoples have kept their real names secret, being known only by nicknames. – World Book Encyclopedia, copyright 1974
Widespread among primitive peoples throughout the world… Just think about that phrase!!! Why would there be an earth-wide fear that if a person knew your name, he could acquire power over you and bring harm to you?
Should we suppose that this writer for the World Book Encyclopedia knew what he was doing when he used the word superstition? Not too long ago, the word superstition dealt directly with what we now call religion.
Superstitious use, in law, the use of land for a religious purpose, or by a religious corporation. – Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
Hence, it could be said that religion taught them that if a person knew your name, he could acquire power over you and bring harm to you.
Perhaps it should still be taught today.
Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
"Please, state your name for the COURT."
To him that overcometh will I give…a new name…which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 02 Jul 2005 05:44:50 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 11:26:18
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NAME, PERSONAL. Practically everyone since the beginning of history has had a name. Some explorers have reported discovering primitive tribes where people had no names. In these cases, tribesmen were probably reluctant to disclose their names to a stranger.
See what you can dig up in dictionaries and search engines on "cargo cults". Also my girlfriend visited China and the children swarmed them like Paparazzi with pads and pencils asking the tourists to please write down their names. Artistic science as it is, I leave the rest to your imagination.
Regards,
David Merrill.
P.S. I feel compelled to add; China has outbid Chevron for the purchase (hostile takeover) of Unocal. [My girlfriend like many other tourists complied with glee.] If China gets the bid, that nullifies all the expense of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. That is obviously an oil war project for the Caspian Sea Pipeline. On the alternative, the United States can declare the FRN not legal tender "FOR ALL DEBTS" public and private and regulate how China can spend her investment in the USA ("trade deficit/account deficit" http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/testimony/2005/default.htm ). China has leverage to significantly impact if not collapse the dollar.
So something is going down as we speak.
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Caspian_Sea_Pipeline.wmv
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_President's_reaction.wmv
President/businessman
Just look at that calculating businessman face! |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 09:25:22
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This, we perceive, is a much better location for this.
For those that claim that the name of the Supreme Sovereign is not important, here's a great quote that we are happy to provide for your defense of that stance.
“For no one can utter the name of the ineffable deity; and if any one dares to say that there is a name, he raves with a hopeless madness” – Catholic Bishop Jerome, I Apol., 61. (Jerome, or Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus, is recognized (posthumously) by the Vatican as a “Doctor of the Church”.)
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
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The Name Of God
