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Robert-James
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 Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 19:46:34
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p.s. Dan is not listed with the tribes of Israel in the Revelations of Yahushua.
Wanna guess why? Join the pundents of history.
Now, put on your thinking cap, like good jews do: who were the Norman's?
Who never did fight with The City, the Norman's made treaty with the men of "The City". The City men, bowed to Yoseph of Arimathea, and His Annointed Truth, via never TAXING the twelve hides of land given to Yoseph, who was under order's from Phillip, to teach Truth to the descendents of Israel. The never taxing the men of the kingdom, is recorded in the Doomsday Book, just as messiah Yahushua stated. Even today, American men are not required to pay tribute tax.
But most all who read this post are MR ALL CAP MEN, subject to the tax.
Selah
Now, we have many who think they can live in two kingdom's at the same time? Ever hear of the old time...pull the wishbone apart?
MR ALL CAP is a creation of the STATE.
Propaganda comes in many forms. I have on my desk shelf, a copy of Mein kOPH, OR whatever.
JEWS ARE ISRAEL-JEWS ARE ISRAEL-JEWS ARE ISRAEL.
{After I rid myself of the x-mas tree, i will agree that jews are isrsael. But let me first pay off the usury contracts i made with the merchant jew, to celebrate the birth of the jewish saviour. I love my bondage.
Propaganda?
Don't worry, David Merrill will collect 5 hundred bucks and make YOU a believer in his doctrine. A suitor, nevertheless.
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BatKol
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 19:59:56
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p.s. Dan is not listed with the tribes of Israel in the Revelations of Yahushua. Wanna guess why? Join the pundents of history.
I already know the answer to this so I don't need to join anything. You obviously don't. Dan cannot be both a Judge and a witness at the same time. It is an impossibility in law.
Readers, notice Robert-James does not refute the above Dan information by the Norwegian man I posted.quote:
JEWS ARE ISRAEL-JEWS ARE ISRAEL-JEWS ARE ISRAEL.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 20:35:58
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Though I find Robert-James quite abrasive, that is what I was going to talk about too. You presented a very convincing snippet BatKol. So where I want to go is into that idea, not of the Normans*, which so much as I know is completely wrong, but the Spartans. The guys inside the Trojan Horse.quote:
From I Macabees 12:20
Areus, king of the Lacedemonians to Onias, the high priest, greeting: it is found in writing that the Lacedemonians and Jews are brethren, and that they are the stock of Abraham...
By the way:quote:
Don't worry, David Merrill will collect 5 hundred bucks and make YOU a believer in his doctrine. A suitor, nevertheless.
I hope you get as big a belly-laugh out of that as I do. I went to my first of many suitors' meetings yesterday. Mainly because they have pooled together a fund for some specialized research about subject matter jurisdiction. I felt obligated to make at least one 'appearance'; you know, kind of a preliminary report. But I forgot to bring KoolAid. Now that would have been interesting.
* I bought that new version King Arthur and was disappointed that there was nothing explicit about Grails and such esoterics. But it really hit me how little I knew about that Dark Ages history of Great Britain. I hope it was fairly true to history because I feel I learned a lot in a couple hours time. |
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True North
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 23:20:20
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So what do I learn from this little lesson?
Head knowledge doesn't bring unity.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 23:24:16
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It may be you give a Website too much credit.
PostScript: So subsequent readers know, True North created a spoof Topic titled "Original Wars by Propaganda Re-Loaded". As it became clear it was a spoof on this Topic and that it was difficult to hop back and forth between two arguments, Admin saw fit to delete the spoof. When it was deleted, True North made the above comment about head knowledge. |
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BatKol
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 23:44:44
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David,
The claims also made by Anglo-Israelists that rivers which bear the name Don or Dan are connected to the Israelite tribe of Dan are easily proven false as well. Before there ever was a tribe of Dan, the Aryans spoke of Danu, the goddess of war in the Rig Veda. This is yet another connection between the Celts and the Aryans.
"Some ancient Gallic deities such Belenus, Danu, Lugus, Ogmios and Epona survived the early spread Christianity to be transmitted into Bel, Ana, Lug or Lugh, Ogma, and Macha – the Irish deities of the Tuatha De Danann. However, they were not "gods" in the usual sense of the word, but have being watered down as fairies, by the Christian authors. See Tuatha Dé Danann (Irish Deities).
While the Welsh had transmitted Belenus/Bel into Beli, Danu/Ana into Don, Lugus/Lug into Lleu, and Epona/Macha into Rhiannon. The British god Nodons was transmitted into the Welsh Nudd, who was sometimes equated with Nuada Airgetlám. See Welsh Deities.
Concerning the Celtic goddess Danu:
Mother goddess. Danu or Ana was the mother of the race of Tuatha Dé Danann. Danu was goddess of fertility and the earth. Some believed that Danu and Ana were separate entities, even both are mother goddesses.
Danu was widely worshipped mother goddess throughout Europe. She was known under various names, such as Danu, Dana and Anu in Continental Europe and Ireland. In Wales, she was called Don.
Danu married her consort Bilé (Bile), and was the mother of Dagda, who was the chief leader of the Tuatha Dé Danann. Her other offspring probably were Dian Cécht and Nuada.
With Dagda, Danu was also the mother of Ogma. Her other possible sons were Cian (Kian), Sawan and Goibhniu by Dian Cécht.
Danu was also known by another name – Brigit. Here, as Ana or Brigit, she was known as the daughter of the Dagda. She was mother of three sons; all of them were named Ecne.
In some of the sources, Danu or Ana was the proper name of the war-goddess Morrigan."
Also for a great source of Grail lore: www.dagobertsrevenge.com
Excellent info concerning the Nephilim and the grail blood line.
Best,
Steve
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berkano
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 23:53:24
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I agree with True North. Head knowledge does not bring unity. Love brings unity. Love is unbounded by creed, race, location, status, or political affiliation. Love says, "I give my life as a gift to you even though I have no guarantee that such will be returned to me."
I encourage all to congregate with those who believe in this law: "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself."
Understanding history is important for one purpose to me: to understand how through careful pandering and brainwashing, men convinced other men to treat their neighbors as livestock for their own benefit, instead of loving them as the self, to prevent people from falling prey to that power of brainwashing again, so that people will love and care for each other instead of trying to exercise authority over each other.
So I am in my own wisdom at a loss of how to congregate, and what to do for the common good of those who wish to, yet, the spirit of God in me says that what is needful will come when it is needed. So far this has been true. His wisdom has trumped mine just when I have needed it to be thus.
I pray that instead of arguing and strife, the children of Israel may gather together to lift the burdens off the backs of their brothers and sisters. This is life eternal, to share the burden of freedom with goodwill and enthusiasm to all and from all.
Please gather yourselves for the purpose of uplifting each other, and supporting each other. Knowing who enslaved who, and who deceived who, is only useful to a point. Knowing the rub on how the "guvrinmint" is shamming people is not going to bring believers together. Only trust and affection unfeigned will do that. We must trust each other with our lives. Without this vulnerability there is no trust and no love. You cannot protect yourself from evil. You cannot protect yourself from harm. You can only work to protect your neighbor, if God is willing, but you cannot protect yourself without hurting your neighbor unjustifiably.
Giving up to vulnerability is hard, but it must be done to overcome the last enemy. The warrior must lay down his sword to overcome death.
Stop protecting yourselves and dance in the fire.
.Berkano
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Originally posted by True North
So what do I learn from this little lesson?
Head knowledge doesn't bring unity.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 00:15:49
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Yes, Batkol;
But I have to link these things together through credible historians. And by that I mean what became of Dan? Judges (the Book) tells us that when Israel was rallying Dan deserted. Also that due to dissatisfaction with the original small claim of Joshua, Dan moved north to Herman and adopted idolatry (Chapter 17). Then Dan is neglected for presumably this misbehavior in several key listings (but for some reason Dan is included in the end roster of Ezekiel).
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Dan.jpg
But you present some convincing arguments about the northern fair-haired peoples not being Dan. Enough that I will be examining my sources.
I left the Dogabert's Revenge site where I found it about three years ago. Haven't been back since. It is difficult to find evidence of my theory when you limit yourself to credible historians. But I am patient and have a thorough federal repository of information. I have the Library of Congress and National Archives reference librarians on speed-dial.
But that is what I am focusing on. I am not getting distracted from the theory. I will not adopt a paranoid take on the custodians of the Scepter. I have been there too. To me it's the same place as charismatic Christianity with all those trappings.
I have complete faith of the Messiah Yehoshuah H'Natzrith. Because of it I was put in the deepest cell (#12) in "The Hole" and there from METRODOME, the gang-banger ward. It was called that because of all the fights. I am not violent but something about me really scared the guards. In the deepest cell, I never really got to see the men whom I was speaking with because they would never pass my cell; they always went out the opposite way and would enter their cells before passing mine. Most of them were murderers who had tried to kill since jailed.
I know how to sing a few songs in Hebrew; a canter. And something came over the Ward - The Hole. It was day 1335 (see Daniel 12 http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielCalendar.jpg ) on Daniel's Timeline and I had been in The Hole for about a week. [When I have spoken of day 1290, that people thought I was a prophet of God for predicting violence on the Temple Mount on September 28, 2000, that would cancel the Tabernacles ceremonies at the Western Wall those people were men in coveralls.] What came over the Ward was the Holy Spirit of God. These men who were rancid inside with hate and guilt were transformed almost immediately. We were taking turns reading through the Book of Job at the time - all these beautiful voices echoing around in our concrete boxes. Some of them were singing and some were praying out loud. Some were crying in repentance and speaking in tongues. The guards must have just been freaking out or maybe they were praising God too for all I knew. I recall some would hang around the Ward to get in on it all. This was occurring once or twice a day and sometimes lasting for over an hour.
I was expecting that by some miracle my blessing would be that I would be freed. But with all the clamoring going on; each prisoner worshipping and praising aloud it suddenly dawned on me how these murderers were completely transformed at that moment. I felt heat welling up in my chest and was singing in Hebrew. Then I groaned from deep within and realized that was my blessing. I never would be able to forget the presence of God. Just like Jesus when he turned his eyes to heaven and prayed to God the Father - I had it too; the faith of Yehoshuah H'Mashiach. Not faith in Jesus Christ; the faith of Jesus Christ.
I was there for trying to own a motorcycle I had paid for. A nice Paris/Dakar by BMW. See "JUDGE CITES BIERCE IN DISMISSING LAWSUIT AGAINST JESUS" on page http://donswaim.com/biercenews.html
So I am saying do not give even this fine Website too much credit. It is really at our worst that we will find relationship with the Almighty and the unity with each other that it brings.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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berkano
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 03:17:32
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Originally posted by David Merrill
This also excludes the possibility that Jesus brought Lazarus back from the dead. That would have been completely capitalized upon if true. That would have been the high-point of Jesus' healing ministry. But it only appears in one Gospel. Inductive reasoning tells us that Jesus was delayed in reaching his sick cousin and in grieving upon arrival was angry with the disciples he had trusted to heal Lazarus. That was probably self-directed anger because he had misjudged how ill his cousin Lazarus was. The fantasy was edited in later.
The First-Begotten Son of Yahweh was omniscient during his ministry with his twelve Ambassadors. Jesus the Christ comprehended all objects of knowledge without distortion. He could not have misjudged how ill his cousing Lazarus was because he knew beforehand that Lazarus was going to die. In fact, the Christ knew, when he was in Gallilee 2000 years ago, that David Merrill would post these comments to the Internet and that I would respond. He had the hairs of your head numbered, he had the hairs of my head numbered, and he knows every event and every thought, from now to eternity, down to the most minute and technical detail, and he comprehends all of this simultaneously, even all things are PRESENT with Him.
That is the nature of the Christ and this is the nature he offers to you. Patriot Mythology and shuffling papers in Caesar's crib are not going to purify your nature to comprehend all things that God gives into your hands.
Life and death are within God's hands. To say otherwise is to deny Him that gives us Life, and condemn ourselves to death.
I believe he can raise a dead body from the grave just as I believe he can raise a living body to incorruptible immortality without that body ever laying in a grave.
Men have a long way to go for that gift.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 08:14:52
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The First-Begotten Son of Yahweh was omniscient during his ministry with his twelve Ambassadors. Jesus the Christ comprehended all objects of knowledge without distortion.
Pastors have always euphemized the prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane based on this (outrageous) presumption. For one, why would Jesus have been praying to himself? And for another, he showed obvious doubts about how the evening was going. Why did he get upset with the apostles for falling asleep and not staying awake to pray? Go ahead and try. Euphemize.quote:
Men have a long way to go for that gift.
That gift of faith is held by those who fail in the endeavor to acquire the gift of truth. Key to the kingdom of heaven. I would never underestimate God's grace. But you know what I am talking about Berkano. If your faith is true, then you will find no need to argue with me about Rules of Evidence; the other side of the coin from faith. You may pray for me, even pity me. That's fine. I will just take it as pious correction from a deluded man. I have said those words myself back when I believed like you do.
There must be authority in exercising judgment. If we are not the Creator ourselves (which we are not), then we must find that authority in a bond with authority. A fidelity bond. So if I were to judge you, Berkano, you might call me on my authority to judge, my jurisdiction. I would have to produce a substantial bond saying that if my judgment is incorrect, me being only a man in creation - the creature, I could make it up to you (financially).
Bill of Exchange Image 1
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/BOE1.gif
Bill of Exchange Image 2
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/BOE2.gif
Done. [Of course I would have to show common law process in arriving at the judgment too. At least if I were to enforce the judgment after you challenged it.]
Suitors have the benefit of Certificate of Exigent Circumstances to execute arrest.quote:
(B) If the plaintiff or the plaintiff's attorney certifies that exigent circumstances make court review impracticable, the clerk must promptly issue a summons and a warrant for the arrest of the vessel or other property that is the subject of the action. The plaintiff has the burden in any post-arrest hearing under Rule E(4)(f) to show that exigent circumstances existed. http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/RuleC.htm
But I have not got that privilege because I will lose the bonding the moment I try to cure additional recourse than the bill of exchange itself. It is cured 'waiver of tort' meaning it is the recourse. I use the bill of exchange to bond the default judgments of the suitors. It has never been challenged. Probably never will be. It cured on September 11, 2001 when the thirty days to challenge it expired. That gives challenging it now a certain stigma, don't you think? That is where faith meets truth, when you can prove process is effective in action by historical fact and and back the assertion with definite signs of judgment.
But the point is that all is confidence and security building measures. Whenever you accept a FRN you are testifying you are a confidence man who has confidence you can con the next guy into accepting it for value from you. That is called (good) faith. For your argument above to hold up, you must be talking to someone who has the same faith as you. If it proves out otherwise you may cry "Apostacy!" but then again, the only people who will listen to your complaint are of the same faith as you.
The bill states this expressly, albeit in Latin, a recognized maxim:quote:
Fides servanda est; Simplicitas juris Gentium praeveleat
Literally translated - 'Faith serving well; the common law of the Gentiles will prevail.' And it does. Loosely translated, Black's says that bills of exchange must be honored as sacred instruments. The laws of Israel were by no means original. They were a transliteration of the Code of Hammurabi, which were likewise not original. [Abram, later Abraham was from Ur, deep in Babylon.] Where the laws of man are coherent with the laws of nature and God, they stand law. That you can put your faith in. It stands true in all cases - where faith meets truth.
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BatKol
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 11:31:44
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David,
Credible information concerning the Aryan - Celtic connection is widely available. Check into the Danu worship along with Druid and Brahmin religious connections as well.
As for what became of Dan:
Here is a perfect instance where Indo-Europeans gave problems to the invading Israelites. The Amorites are said to have been Blonde haired, blue eyed peoples.
Jdg 1:34 And the Amorites forced the children of Dan into the mountain: for they would not suffer them to come down to the valley:
Also this verse below seems to indicate that they were around even to the captivity of the promised land.
Jdg 18:30 And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.
Here Dan is mentioned along with the other tribes even after the kingdom of Israel was dismantled. Josiah had representatives of all of the tribes attend his feast.
2Ch 30:5 So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beersheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the LORD God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done [it] of a long [time in such sort] as it was written.
Also keep in mind the Aryan/Brahmin Rig Veda which speaks of the Danu is much older than even the tribes of Israel. The Indo-European connection is solid and it lines up perfectly with ‘who the bad guys are’ in scripture. The Bible clearly identifies the heathens as the source of Israel’s sinful idolatry, hence the Indo-Europeans‘ consistent role as the enemies of the Israelites.. Note below the connection to 2nd kingdom Persians as well.
“Certainly the Rig Veda is one of the oldest (if not THE oldest) sacred scripture. The Rig Veda was most likely an oral tradition in the Third Millennium B.C.E, (which was the Stone Age), and began to be written down in the Second Millennium B.C.E ( the beginnings of the Bronze Age). The Avestas of Zoroaster were written in a dialect very closely related to the dialect of the Rig Veda, and were also an oral tradition in the Second Millenium B.C.E., and were committed to writing perhaps around 600 B.C.E. “
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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 13:16:04
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David,
The below was written by a Norwegian writer concerning Dan:
"..the claim that Denmark (Danmark most Teutonic languages) got its name from the Israelite tribe of Dan is false. Before the landmasses we today call Denmark got if s current name it was called Fyn, Sjælland and Jylland. The Jutes invaded Logres (known to us as England) from Jylland in the Scandinavian Iron-Age. The Angles invaded Logres from Fyn and Sjælland in the same era. The Saxons also invaded Logres at the time, but from southern Jylland and mostly northern Germany. That is the why we call Englishmen and Americans of Northern European descent "Anglo-Saxons". Before any of these abovementioned tribes, the Kymbri (Cimry) invaded Logres. The Kymbri came from Jylland as well.Then the Viking era began. The Norwegians, Swedes and Germans knew the Danes as "Skjoldungar" at this time. Skjoldungar meaning "Children of Skjold" (Skjold being a son of Wuotan - also known as Wðtan Gwodan, Wodan, Woden, Oden, Óðinn, Odin, Woðu, Godan etc.). During the Viking age the Danes were Christianised - against their will of course. They then started to send missionaries to Christianise the Swedes and Norwegians as well - aiding the other European powers at the time in their de-Paganisation of Scandinavia. Mentioning this I can point to a relatively unknown fact concerning the Viking age. That is, the Viking age actually began due to the attacks on Scandinavia and northern Germany by the Christian powers (trying to force their faith unto us) and not the other way around!
At this point the Norwegians and the Swedes started to call the Danes "Churchlords", as that was what they were, men of the Church trying to Christianise us, and we called their lands the "Churchlord-fields". This was in the late Viking age - id est. around year 900 in our time of reckoning. If we translate these words into Norse (old Norwegian/Swedish/Danish) it becomes "Danes" (Churchlords) and "Dan-mark" (Churchlord-field). In other words the name has absolutely nothing to do with the Israelite tribes of Dan! So this "evidence" in support of the British-Israel theory holds no truth either!"
Best,
Steve
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
Steven:
We respectfully disagree with what you have written above.
We would direct you and other interested readers to the voluminous works of E. Raymond Capt (hereinafter referred to as Ray.)
Ray is an elderly man now. His life's work has been in the areas of archeology and Scriptural historical work. He lives in the Thousand Oaks area in a place called California.
We have found Ray to be a truly humble and honest man. We hold him in high regard.
Yahweh promised our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac and Israyl that there descendants would become a multitude of nations.
In our opinion it behooves anyone who thinks they know or anyone who would like to know where those nations that comprise that promised multitude of nations are today, to consult the considerable work that Ray has engaged in during his life.
An appropriate place to begin would be by doing a Google Search under the topic E. Raymond Capt Tribe of Dan.
It is our understanding that Ray's works can be obtained from: Artisan Sales, Muskogee, Oklahoma.
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1 Corinthians 8:2 states...
...And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he yet knows nothing as he ought to know.
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 provides this caveat:
...And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved.
And for this reason Yahweh shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
May Yahweh bless and protect all who have the love of the truth.
May Yahweh's will be done concerning those who are in other categories.
Respectfully submitted,
Marty
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BatKol
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 14:06:32
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Greetings Marty,
Since you studied the Capt material, why not write a rebuttal to the points we are discussing which are in disagreement with your understanding of Dan? Let's lay everything out and examine the evidence on both sides, here and now.... for the love of finding out the Truth.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 15:59:25
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I am not prepared to dismiss the "Dan" linguistic root, even though there is a convincing argument to above. That opposing theory is explained as part of the my current theory, the worship of Danu as coincidence, as I recall. But even if it is untrue that Dan named the Danish, the historical picture by J.R. Church in Guardians of the Grail looks of strong fabric.
A quick look at the references for the chapter on this:
Chapter Notes
CHAPTER 6 , .c
1. Baigent, etal., HOLYBLOOD, op. cit., p.235.
2. Gurney, KINGDOMS OF EUROPE, op. cit., p. 52.
3. Homer, THE ILIAD, Trans. W.H.D. Rouse (New York: Mentor Books, 1960), p. 62. 4. Ibid.
5. Baigent,etal., op. cit., pp. 238-239.
6. Flavius Josephus, THE WORKS OF JOSEPHUS, Trans. William Whiston, A.M. (Lynn, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1980), Antiquities of the Jews, Book XII, Chapter IV, par. 10, p. 256.
7. THE APOCRYPHA (London: Oxford University Press), I Maccabees12:6-11.
8. THE HOLY BIBLE, King James Version, Ed. Rev. C.I. Scofield, D.D. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1945), Judges 14:8.
9. Ibid., Judges, Chapters 16-21.
10. Josephus, WORKS OF JOSEPHUS, op.cit., Antiquities, Book V, Chapter III, verse 1, p. 113.
11. "Ireland," THE WORLD BOOK ENCYCLOPEDIA, op. cit., p. 336.
12. "Mythology/CelticMythology" WORLD BOOK, op. cit., p. 822.
13. H.C. Kee, "Testaments Of The Twelve Patriarchs," in THE OLD
TESTAMENT PSEUDEPIGRAPHA, Vol. 1, ed. James H. Charlesworth (Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1983), p. 809.
14. Ibid.
15. Ibid., p. 810.
16. Merrill F. Unger, UNGER'S BIBLE DICTIONARY (Chicago: Moody Press, 1966), pp. 235-236.
17. Josephus, op. cit.,Antiquities, Book XVII, Chapter VI, par. 2,p. 364.
18. Ibid., par. 3, p. 364.
19, "Ugarit," ZONDERV AN PICTORIAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE BIBLE, Ed. Merrill C. Tenney (Grand Rapids, MI: Regency Reference Library, 1976), Vol. 5, p. 840.
20. Josephus, op. cit., Antiquities, Book X, Chapter XI; par. 7, p.227.
21. THE APOCRYPHA,op. cit, II Esdras 11:1, p. 38.
22. Ibid., pp. 38-39.
23. Ibid., II Esdras 12: 1-3, p. 39.
I am unfamiliar with using the Vedas for historical purposes. It seems rather unorthodox. Being Hindu hymnals, I am reluctant to base historical belief on the occurance of the goddess Danu. But I hope to re-read your Posts and see what I can glean. I am not putting any of these theories together comprehensively yet. Maybe my history of Great Britain is just too weak. Have you seen King Arthur? Can you try explaining who the forces are north and south of that wall? The Romans had 'civilized' the Normans to the south, right? The Saxons were marauding to the north. Who were the Saxons pilfering? Normans? Why did Guenivere tell Arthur the Saxons were 'his people'? Was Merlin just a prop so that Arthur was not seen by the viewer as killing his own Saxon people? Merlin being a "faction" of the Saxons. Maybe if I can get that point in history right, then I can follow with your arguments here.
If we can keep it simple and based on the supposedly true recent King Arthur movie scenario, maybe we can all get on the same page. Then we can start discussing how those people got on that soil at that time.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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BatKol
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 16:27:30
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David,
Here is an excellent summary of white history:
www.white-history.com
Also, ran across this which is very interesting as well:
These pages (3 MB) explain how Judaism was created by the Persians in the fifth century. Colonists were deported into Yehud. Their reward was to have control of a temple state which collected taxes for Persia. Only priests of the temple state were Jews—a nation of priests. The history of the Jews was invented from Assyrian records and imagination, to show the native people as apostates who had to obey God diligently to atone for their past failings.
http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/#The%20Crisis%20of%20Sacred%20History
Just food for thought.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 18:49:56
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Of course this tangent debate is great for airing advertisement for our favorite doctrine. But the "White History" book linked above does not even have an author that I can discern at a cursory glance. I admit a stigma about portraying Hitler in a positive light*. The second link about Persia inventing Judaism has a Dr. Magee for the author at least but both doctrine seem to be a little out of the mainstream. Okay.
So is a version of history where Paul invented Christianity as a weapon against Rome. I can live with that. I am starting to understand that we are all a product of what we read; well to a large part anyway. This discussion is giving me insight into debates that I have only read reference to like, "We have already been over the fact that..." and soforth. Between Berkano, Robert-James and True North if I recall correctly. Previous debate about Aryan or British Israel. A disadvantage to my Topic doctrine is that The Nazarene Gospel Restored is not available by Internet and seems to have been censored by the American Christian. Being published in London in 1953 does not help me relate to the Reader why I think the way I do. I can supplement my theory with chapters like LAZARUS but that takes a lot of donated disk space and a little work with the scanner.
Like with the spelling of the Names, I will hold dearly to the standards. I may not be fluent on remembering Anglo-Saxon or Aryan (assuming those are the same) history from my reading of Tragedy and Hope; A History of the World in Our Time by Carroll Quigley but that was the account I chose for a world history account of that size. I am reading Our Country; by Lossing and that is twice the size of Quiggley's book. I like it because it is copyrighted in 1877 and contains a lot of details that I assume have been groomed and streamlined out of modern history lessons. Any agendas of grooming historical accounts would have been much different in 1877 than now, even if they existed. But you can guess it really begins in about 1400 AD.
What I like are historians who say their name and then end each chapter with sources and endnotes that you could look carefully and find they are making their fabrication from other accredited historians. I have to admit that I will not spend a lot of time on Internet fluff. The reason I have placed lengthy articles on the Topic is just because I was waiting a day or two for the link. For instance the Rosenthal articles. It has been so long since I read those for myself I forgot how disgusting and graphic he got until Vern started describing stuff and said it was on 'my' stuff. I thought, "I haven't been writing anything like that." I really should have linked it so that people could just get a flash impression and close the link back to the Topic. As it comes from my Posts the Reader probably gets the impression the details about Rosenthal are important when I just wanted to show account from a Jew who was venomously striking out at Christian arrogance.
So we have as many different perspectives of what I am getting at here as we have Readers it would seem. I really try to stick to Topic. Paul's "Original War on Propaganda". I know the truth about history, mainly who Paul was is integral and important. So I am wondering if we can agree who the characters in King Arthur are racially. I will watch it again and write down racial identities whenever I hear them expressed. The movie purports to be true to history.
Regards,
David Merrill.
* Distortions abound. The "historian" who cries the Holocaust was not claims that twice chemists have tested samples from the interior walls of the "alleged" gas chambers and never found a trace of cyanide. Mustard gas is dichloroethyl sulfide and nowhere near as humane (if you can apply that word to genocide) as cyanide gas. The misdirection is using one symbol the American and most audiences can relate to to spin a wild fabrication. But what he said was technically true. I imagine it would be very difficult to find cyanide used in the Nazi Death Camps. Just the same, people fight their way through as many protesters to fill auditoriums and hear this guy disfigure history.
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BatKol
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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 23:51:50
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Originally posted by BatKol
Robert-James said: Greetings,
and now we have non-believers posting Jewish rants, as if the ecclesia cares?
So sorry to see American men discerning history through the eyes of Rome and Jewish thought.
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Steve wrote:
You fail to understand that the Bible IS a product of both Roman and Jewish thought....
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
Do following Scriptures apply to the question of whether or not it was Roman and Jewish thought that inspired the writing of the Scriptures?quote:
2 Timothy 3:15-17 as translated in the Book of Yahweh states...
...And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation, through the faith which is in Yahshua Messiah.
All Scripture that is given through inspiration of Yahweh is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of Yahweh may become perfect, thoroughly furnished for every good work.
Perhaps it is fitting for us to know 2 Timothy 3:16 as well as we know Yahchanan(John)3:16.
Another thought that Steven expressed was:
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Steve wrote:
....and forget the Jew vs. Judah word game nonsense....
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
Steve,
By "Jew vs. Judah word game" are you referring to the following Scriptures?quote:
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
In our opinion these verses may apply to those who say they are of our true Israylite brother, Judah, but are lying about that. (i.e. they claim to be literal descendants of Yahdah(Judah), Benyamin or the Levites that served those two tribes but their claim to that heritage is false.
Please note that, of the seven church assemblies that Yahweh's Set Apart Spirit addressed through the Apostle Yahchanan in the Book of the Revelation, there were only two that Yahweh approved of and found no fault with.
These two were the congregations at Smyrna (Revelation 2:9) and at Philadelphia (Revelation 3:9).
These two congregations discerned who the enemy and the deciever was and therefore were approved of by Yahweh. Yahweh recorded nothing against these assemblies.
Yahweh had words of disapproval and/or admonishment for the other five congregations.
Does your assembly have discernment in this area?
Let no man deceive you.
Best Regards,
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BatKol
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Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 04:44:42
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Marty said:
Do following Scriptures apply to the question of whether or not it was Roman and Jewish thought that inspired the writing of the Scriptures.
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2 Timothy 3:15-17 as translated in the Book of Yahweh states...
...And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation, through the faith which is in Yahshua Messiah.
All Scripture that is given through inspiration of Yahweh is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of Yahweh may become perfect, throughly furnished for every good work.
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Well since the NT was not around when this letter was written, the scripture above is speaking about the Tanakh. That would be Judah i.e. - Jewish thought seeing as that tribe compiled the Tanakh.
Marty said: concerning the word game of Jew and Judah:
Are you referring to the following Scriptures?
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Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
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Steve: I was speaking in the context of the scribes and pharisees which sit on Moses' seat.
Might be the same group listed above or perhaps it is the black Jews of Ethiopia which are the true Jews.
Best,
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David Merrill
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Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 04:57:03
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The black Jews of Ethiopia (Hamites) are no more the true Jews than the Hungarian (Japhethite) Jews - the Khazarian/Ashkenazim. I think the term is "by creed". That is to say there is no perfect racial way to express the bloodlines. Even the Sinclair brothers, the remnant of the Bloodline in my theory here, admit that if it is true the percentage of Jesus' blood is so diluted by now they are not impressed. [It is the remnant of the Habsburg dynasty, that keeps trying to revive that empire, that I think is really the expression in banking.]
My failure to understand you were telling us the black races of Africa are the Jews, or is it the synagogue of Satan?, indicates your theory is faulty. Why not start with that as a topic sentence? It looks like you have been saying this for a long time and know if you start by saying its the negro races people dismiss it without a proper hearing. There is a reason for that. It's not true. The blacks have played no major role in central banking - the Khazarian converts, the Thirteenth Tribe, obviously have.
This course of history is well documented and I have expressed it so many times I had hoped you all had already looked at these links:
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielCalendar.jpg
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DanielBooks.jpg
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Khazar.jpg
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Scythian.jpg
These links are already here. Middle of Page 3.
These Japhetic Jews taking up a role. This is the scenario that makes sense in international (central) banking. This version of the racial history of the "Jews" fits Daniel's prophecy about a Week perfectly. 519/520 BC to 720 AD is exactly 1260 year/days and so again until 2000 AD when Ariel Sharon cancelled Tabernacles by bringing violence to the Temple Mount. You may not believe it yourself and that is fine. But you will not fit an alternate version of history about the Jews into my theory and central banking. See Matthew 24:15.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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