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berkano
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 Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 10:58:35
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Here is a subject I don't know much about: Libraries, and any possible entanglements related to using their services.
Is there any convincing way to get a public or university library to grant one borrowing privileges without ID, residential address, and a socialist security number? Has anyone accomplished this?
And, would using library privileges to borrow books be a mark of the beast to the holder of such privileges?
My research shows (drub me if I'm wrong) that public libraries have generally stood against government agencies trying to access borrower information, in effect making them (as a lot) not too bad as agencies providing a benefit, as far as privacy and respect are concerned. But is that benefit based on and predicated on evil, or prejudicing the rights of men?
I thought about offering to make a deposit or a large donation as a condition of getting borrowing privileges without ID and address, but I want to get other views before making a decision.
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doer
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 15 Mar 2003 : 18:16:29
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Berkano,
Libraries are part of Caesar's "government," so are debased in that respect. Ultimately, they follow his rules -- so require ID and the like. You can be dragged into their courts for violating their rules.
Andrew Carnegie, the powerful industrialist of the early previous centuy, gave grants to establish a great many libraries in this country. The old buildings still bear his name as benefactor. Of course, he was an elder of the Power Elite of his time, so he did not donate out of the goodness of his heart, but to leave a legacy -- written in stone on all those library facades.
Using Caesar's resources is not a problem for me. I can go into any "public building" and use their toilet. So it goes for libraries, parks, recording offices, survey archives, etc. But if you want to "borrow" a publication or document, then you have to follow their rules. Again, I have no problem with this, so long as the motive is for my education, enlightenment or other purpose to advance my Creator's plan. If in doubt, I sit quietly in a room until the answer comes. Inevitably it does.
So if you make a donation, then it will be one to Caesar. Good luck on that one!
Be Well,
Doer
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berkano
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 17 Mar 2003 : 03:08:31
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Nooooooooooooooo thank you. Now that you put it in the light of donating to Caesar, I will be joyous to live forever without borrowing privileges. I would gladly donate to Caesar, even give him the shirt off my back, that is, if he didn't own all the factories that make all the shirts.  |
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Cornerstone Foundation
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 11:16:54
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quote:
Originally posted by berkano
Nooooooooooooooo thank you. Now that you put it in the light of donating to Caesar, I will be joyous to live forever without borrowing privileges. I would gladly donate to Caesar, even give him the shirt off my back, that is, if he didn't own all the factories that make all the shirts.
Doer and Berkano:
If the donation seems inappropriate...would the making of a a deposit be all right... with the understanding that when you are ready to move on the deposit would be refunded to you?
Marty
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esther2
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Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 05:28:54
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| one way that has been used successfully to "sign up" at a library is to have them send you a postcard in the mail to your lawful location (i.e. "address") then you take the postcard back to them and they sign you up. i guess it is supposed to "prove" you are where you say you are. this worked in westminster, maryland--not sure if it applies to all libraries. also i have bumped into a number of private christian libraries which mainly do business by mail. some will loan books (a lot of prophecy stuff) and others focus on cassette tapes, etc. enjoy and be edified! |
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Greg
Advanced Member
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Posted - 22 Jan 2006 : 11:15:24
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"My research shows (drub me if I'm wrong) that public libraries have generally stood against government agencies trying to access borrower information.."
Nope, they do share the information, or rather I should say that the "other agencies" have access to the records. It's not like they walk into the library and ask to see the records. All the information they could want in these regards to books checked out is in a data base. The databases are networked together for "inventory purposes" they say. But certain books, or subjects, as with visiting certain web sites, produces red flags in the system. There is a specific division within the FBI that all they do is overview the "red flags" produced by the system and decide if it warrants further investigation, of course all under the hospice of national security. If a "NAME" consistently produces dings in the system then it's automatically reverted over to a "watch list" which is further divided into "types of risk" or "categories" and every ding created by that "NAME" there after is automatically placed into this folder/file.
Yes, Ceas is watching, but do not let this dishearten you my friend. God consistently uses the "ungodly" as his rod of correction, are you ungodly? Doubtful as you are a member of this web site and as such are likely in the pursuit of truth and faithful serving/living right? Then in my humble opinion the search for the truth and God is what we're supposed to be doing, if not wouldn't we have been endowed with this knowledge at birth? It is written if God is for you, then who can be against you? so let them watch all they want. Satin has already been defeated so if your pursuit is in line with Gods desires for you, then all your ungodly opposition can do is watch their own demise, and maybe, just maybe, as they have to look over the information you've been searching out they will see the truth contained there in and be brought out of their place of darkness. What a wonderful blessing would that be huh.
One important thing to note is the library system (here in Ohio anyway) only issues cards to the STATE created NAME. The reason the mail thing with a post card works is because it establishes you as a "RESIDENT" within the "STATE" with an "ADDRESS", all of which is within their venue/creation, and hence forth you must be one of theirs since you've applied their fictional creations to yourself. Having a piece of plastic "STATE issued ID" is of little consequence to them as you have proven you are one of theirs through other means which is all they wanted the ID for any way.
The gov does not give freely, they always expect reciprication. A library card is a benefit offered by them, if accepted by you then an agreement/contract is in place, and as you have recieved a benefit then it is certainly an enforceable one. Through adhesion they gain jurisdictional venue over you by this simingly benign possesion because in accepting it you proclaimed yourself to be one of theirs. Well I hope this helps you see more clearly, many blessings to you all. I am Greg
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