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Shiloh
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 Posted - 23 Aug 2002 : 01:56:09
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In light of the recent "kidnappings" I think it is time to review Revelation 13:15-18. I have been hearing lately about Digital Angel computer chip, but none of them talk about this verse. Odd? Perhaps/ perhaps not.
Revelation 13-
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Now I will link you to the most interesting webpage about and from a man claiming to have created a "chip" that would seem to be the "mark". I have researched his work and it is interesting at the least.
http://www.trumpetmin.com *Link No Longer Valid
As of lately, I have heard about national ID cards, Identity theft being the "number one crime last year" according to the FBI, then need for protecting our kids from "kidnappers".
Things I bet you have not heard...
1. A national ID card would not protect you from a terrorist ("Islamic" according to our "war on terrorists") if they are acting on a "religious" mandate.
2. According to various sources, there is much more shoplifting, employee theft and white collar crime costing Americans money than the occational Identity thief. Besides, wouldn't it stand to reason if this where a problem they would make it harder to get private information about people than to make rules making it more accessable? If identity theft were such a problem
would it not be reasoned it would be better to educate people how to protect their identity than to try to impose compusive chip implants?
3. If a embedded chip were placed inside every child, the kidnappers would know which ones had it. It would stand to reason that they would either chop the hand off and then molest the child and kill them in their own time or just molest, kill and dump the body faster to avoid being caught. This is no protection... infact chances are that the child is at greater risk
Last interesting facts:
John Walsh (Father of molested and killed Adam Walsh, and host of Americas most wanted) has come out several times endorsing the idea of a embedded chip implant. Oddly enough he is soon to have his own television talkshow in the States. What are the odds of that? (Said sarcastically.)
Advanced Digital Technologies the "creator" of "digital angel" stated last month that they were looking to the government to bail them out from going bankrupt. Only about a week later the Kidnappings started to happen all over (according the the press). Check it out. Odd how strange that worded out, right?
P.S. Many states now have laws or are currently working on the laws to have all citizens rounded up for mass vacinations in the case of a "emergency". In Wisconsin it is currently on the desk for the Gov. to sign. It is called the "Emergency Health act" or HR50.
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Shiloh
Senior Member
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Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 02:30:20
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MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL ---- TUESDAY 27, 2002
www.MJSTECH.COM
http://www.jsonline.com/bym/tech/news/aug02/69269.asp
BELOW ARE INTERESTING BITS FROM THIS ARTICLE!
THIS IS NOT TO IMPLY THE WHOLE OF THE ARTICLE, BUT ONLY BITS FROM IT!
PLEASE READ THE REST OF THE ARTICLE FROM THE LINK ABOVE TO GET THE WHOLE STORY IN IT'S CONTEXT!
Technology firms dream up new gadgets to protect, and find, children
By Knight Ridder News Service.
Last Updated: Aug. 26, 2002
*** In a time when there are 2,000 reports of missing children a day, many families wonder how to keep a child safe from abduction and how to find a missing child.
***the Global Positioning System - that is small enough to implant in a tot's earlobe.
***Lately, phones at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have been "ringing off the hook with companies applying for a patent or about to go to market" with a child-security device and hoping for an endorsement, the center's director, David Shapiro, said. The center says more parents also are calling for advice.
****The center estimates there are about 100 child abductions a year by strangers, half resulting in deaths - making it a rare occurrence in a nation of 285 million people.
****Applied Digital Solutions of Palm Beach, Fla., sits on the high-tech front line. It is developing a prototype for an implantable GPS unit that could pinpoint a child's location within 75 feet.
Would a parent really place a device under the skin of his or her child to guard against a vague threat?
"We have GPS units for our cars," said Matthew Cossolotto, an ADS spokesman. "If your car is stolen, we can locate it. Do we love our cars more than our children?"
****ADS also has created the VeriChip, a microchip the size of a rice grain that can store personal information and be implanted in someone's body, although it does not yet use GPS.
****Cossolotto is one of nine people who have been "chipped" in the upper arm.
INTERESTING STUFF ON THE RISE! I am keeping you informed on things I hear in the news lest you might be deceived by the things in the making.
Shiloh
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Shiloh
Senior Member
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Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 02:44:00
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JUST A PERSONAL SIDENOTE... After the aboved MJS article was issued a discussion was made at work amidst fellow workers (Many not Christians)
It was asked, would you allow your child to receive a implanted chip?
Most "yes", if it is for their safety. Only a few said "no".
Would you get the chip.
Most "why not", a few "NEVER" and still a few more "That would be cool".
If your children received the chip at school (possibly against your will) would you then be willing to receive the chip.
Most, "Sure, if it is safe". Few "don't know", 2 people (self included) "No".
Shockingly, many who claim to be "Christians" have no problems with receiving the embedded chip. Interesting bit, they all were Roman Catholic. Perhaps someone might wish to fill in our Roman Catholic Church friends about Revelation 13 (Mark of the Beast.)
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jamesedwin
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Posted - 29 Aug 2002 : 01:37:48
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I had a thought after reading the article listed in the above post.
Why not implant these devices in the known lawless as a form of control in protecting our children and our homes?
Could be a great way of reducing the government and their load but then again it might cause a reduction in judicial revenue.
Do you think the ACLU would endorse that?
Another question that could be used to reveal the truth to our non-believing
friends.
I would bet the farm that this wouldn't fly with our known felons and what happens to these chips that are placed in children when they become of "legal" age to decide what is right for them?
I am sure government and corporations would find many uses for the data they would accumulate from these naive "Americans".
I would even go as far as betting the government would offer some tax benefit to those whom utilize such methods of so called protection.
I am going to write to our local newspaper's editor and hopefully post these questions to the general public.
I'll let you know what type of response I get.
Peace and blessings,
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Shiloh
Senior Member
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Posted - 29 Aug 2002 : 10:28:39
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I have not been able to find out much about a "new" chip that is free floating in the bloodstream that does not afix it's self, but floats in the body so it can not be removed. It is supposed to be about the size of a period (.) and can hold up to 32 charactors of data (oddly enough this would be able to be used by 6 billion people plus another 3.4 billion people without repeating numbers). I can not verify the existance of this "chip", but I have heard it suggested that it could be "implanted" with a "vaccination shot".
As for your questions as to "why not "chip" known child molestors?" First of all, the ACLU would be up in arms claiming "what if the person is innocent?"
Also, Knowing where a molestor is does not help track where a body of the child is. If it is about getting the child back "chipping" the molestor will not work.
Lastly, the public is both eager to get "chipped" for their protection. People are always willing to give up liberty for security. Ben Franklin stated, "Who ever is willing to give up temporary liberty for temporary security deserves neither liberty or security." (Quote from memory and not from text in front of me. This might not be word for word correct, but the context is) Ben must be rolling in his grave.
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jamesedwin
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Posted - 01 Sep 2002 : 01:46:37
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Here is another appropriate quote that fits.
"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."
John Philpot Curran, 1790
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Walter
Advanced Member
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Posted - 21 Nov 2002 : 23:37:48
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Regarding Revelation 13:15-18, I believe that the "mark" is the social security account number. One's name is indexed via the soundex system by a three digit number prefix of six possible values each: 6-6-6. Try getting a job or dealing with the State in any of its manifestations without a SSAN - very difficult.
Another curious thing which I read was that Maryland, where sits the main SSA office, is owned/controlled by the Pope. You may have seen from Tupper Saucy that the White House supposedly sits on land owned by the Pope, which is, of course, on land ceded by Maryland. I'll leave off speculating whether this means the Pope/RCC is either the first beast (Rev. 13:1), or the second beast (Rev. 13:11), or the image of the beast (Rev. 13:14). |
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Robert-James
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Posted - 26 Nov 2002 : 10:00:01
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| walter, I concur that Tupper Saussy has added to the collective knowledge that all roads {but One} lead to Rome. wwwtuppersaussy.com I would point out that the beast system of Rev. 13 has three emblems of identification.............a mark, a name, a number. The number is the socialist security number the beast assigns to its members. We need to re-member with the Body of Messiah. |
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andrewfrew
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Posted - 07 Dec 2002 : 02:46:11
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| I find it interesting that the number 666 is found twice in the bible the first is the amount of Gold solomon receieves and the second in relation to the beast of the earth. I understand every bar code for goods is made up of the number 666. As the Lord said you cannot serve God and mammon. |
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Isaiah21_6
Regular Member
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Posted - 07 Dec 2002 : 22:27:46
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Regarding Revelation 13:15-18, I believe that the "mark" is the social security account number. One's name is indexed via the soundex system by a three digit number prefix of six possible values each: 6-6-6. Try getting a job or dealing with the State in any of its manifestations without a SSAN - very difficult.
If you look up Strong's Concordance, "Mark" [5480] is a scratch or etching. Mark does not mean number. Etching is more closely related to a computer chip or even a tattoo. And it is to be placed in physical proximity to the right hand or forehead. Again, you can refer to Strong's.
Also, the events in Revelation follow a certain chronology and occur in order. Unless you believe the image of the beast has been created and has been given breath and all who are not worshipping the image are being killed, then the mark has not been implemented. Also, it is still very easy to buy and sell without a SSN. The mark specifically refers to buying and selling. Why read something else into it that it does not say.
It is just my humble opinion, but I believe that those who take the mark will do so willingly and gladly. I find it unlikely that God is going to condemn those who obtained a SSN because their parents registered them to claim them on their taxes. Let's have common sense prevail here please.
As a side note, when I was a kid, around 30 years ago when I obtained a SSN I often wondered if this might be the dreaded mark of the beast and if I had somehow unwittingly condemned myself to hell even though I proclaimed Christ as Lord and that He had saved me through His shed blood. I came to the conclusion that it was not and that God had even allowed a little joke to be played on me, for right in the middle of my SSN, the middle three numbers are 666. I believe the mark is still to come and it will come soon. However I’ve given up on the silly superstitions surrounding it. Learn to listen to His voice and you will know it when the time comes. |
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Shiloh
Senior Member
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Posted - 10 Dec 2002 : 13:44:23
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If you look up Strong's Concordance, "Mark" [5480] is a scratch or etching. Mark does not mean number. Etching is more closely related to a computer chip or even a tattoo. And it is to be placed in physical proximity to the right hand or forehead. Again, you can refer to Strong's.
You also missed the fact the number 666 is the greek. Which has the word meaning to prick or pierce encoded with in it. It is an interesting word/letter study.
The Above link I listed that is no longer can now be found at.http://www.trumpetmin.org/mark%20of%20beast.htm
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Robert-James
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Posted - 10 Dec 2002 : 16:25:58
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| The beast system has a MARK..........NAME ..............NUMBER. and the system DECEIVETH those in the world. A bar code with the ss# encoded, stamped on the hand or forehead will deceive no-one. The deception is going on daily. The ss# and a CAPITAL lettered name represent the number and name of those who worship the beast. Worship is the key word to figure out. |
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Shiloh
Senior Member
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Posted - 11 Dec 2002 : 09:22:33
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Originally posted by Robert-James
The beast system has a MARK..........NAME ..............NUMBER. and the system DECEIVETH those in the world. A bar code with the ss# encoded, stamped on the hand or forehead will deceive no-one. The deception is going on daily. The ss# and a CAPITAL lettered name represent the number and name of those who worship the beast. Worship is the key word to figure out.
Have you not read that there will be a great deception that will follow the tribulation? If "We" are raptured out, people in fear that they too will disappear (and also out of fear of the Government/ lack of buying power) will run to a chip. Have you not been watching the news about the chips starting to be implanted? It would stand to reason the MARK will be used. While we both agree that this technology will involves the bar code, I do not think at this time it will be linked to the SSN. I do believe that the SSN was to lead people to the ideas that they are numbers. The SSN was also needed to make people have a taxable liability.
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Robert-James
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Posted - 11 Dec 2002 : 18:25:55
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| Have you not read that through much "tribulation" We enter into the Kingdom? If you are talking of the Jesuit story propagated by Darby and Schofield called the rapture, I can't help you. Saints have had tribulation for a long time now. Scripture in Isaiah 53 says "He" was numbered with the trangressors. His parents had him on the Roman govt. tax roll also. He came clean and was born again outside the Roman system. As ye must be. The name Jesus is in its first use all caps, i.e. JESUS. Also on the stake it is JESUS. I call the resurrected messiah of Israel, YaHuSHua. |
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Shiloh
Senior Member
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Posted - 18 Dec 2002 : 09:36:07
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I do believe that there is a possible "removal" of the saints (Few that there may be) before the time of the Anti-Christ. I will in no way state I know there is going to be this removal, but I can assure you that the events are working to take place even now for the one world superpower and a world monatary "credit" (leading to computer embedded chips).
I have photos of these "chips", I have also read much on this topic. They will be "Created" for our "safety", and many will willingly accept it. As they have bought into this War on "Terrorism". (Has anyone ever sat down yet and legally defined a "terrorist?"... if not does that no give reaching powers for expansion?)
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Walter
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Posted - 18 Dec 2002 : 18:25:42
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This touches on an issue raised in the "Santa" thread, but, I think, belongs here. It occured to me this evening (via a circumstance) that in 1 King 10:14-15 that King Solomon was receiving tribute at the rate of 666 per year, ala his "birthday" gifts.
14 ¶ Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,
15* Beside that he had of the merchantmen, and of the traffick of the spice merchants, and of all the kings of Arabia, and of the governors of the country.
This might be one of the '666' markings of the beast: birthday celebrations. The beast government gives many 'perks' based on having attained particular "birthdays." And a "DOB" is very often required with the SSAN on various government forms.
Just a thought... |
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Isaiah21_6
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Posted - 21 Dec 2002 : 12:07:41
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You also missed the fact the number 666 is the greek. Which has the word meaning to prick or pierce encoded with in it. It is an interesting word/letter study.
The Above link I listed that is no longer can now be found at.http://www.trumpetmin.org/mark%20of%20beast.htm
I'm not sure what you mean by 666 having a word meaning encoded within it, not that I would doubt it. I'm interested in taking a closer look. Would you provide a reference please?
As far as the work of Carl Sanders found at that link, he is a fraud. Please see http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/sanders011023.htm The issue of implantible microchips is serious business and the disinfo and misinfo needs to be pointed out so that the truth may prevail.
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Walter
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Posted - 21 Dec 2002 : 18:17:31
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>>I'm not sure what you mean by 666 having a word meaning encoded within it, not that I would doubt it. I'm interested in taking a closer look. Would you provide a reference please?
From Online Bible (AV):
Re 13:18 Here <5602> is <2076> (5748) wisdom <4678>. Let him that hath <2192> (5723) understanding <3563> count <5585> (5657) the number <706> of the beast <2342>: for <1063> it is <2076> (5748) the number <706> of a man <444>; and <2532> his <846> number <706> is Six hundred <1812> threescore <1835> and six <1803> <5516>.
5516 chi xi stigma {khee xee stig'-ma}
the 22d, 14th and an obsolete letter (4742 as a cross) of the
Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as
numbers;; number representation
AV - six hundred threescore and six 1; 1
1) six hundred and sixty six, the meaning of which is the basis
of much vain speculation
Look up the meanings of chi, xi, & stigma also. |
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loybost
Regular Member
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Posted - 27 Dec 2002 : 13:32:43
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Until recently I believed that the mark of the beast was still to come and I do believe that it will likely progress into a greater state of perfection (i.e. national ID and perhaps an implanted micro-chip) however, I suggest that we take a look at the identifying numbers that we have now, for example the social security number. Take a good look at that card front and back and notice the following features:
· The name on the face of the card is in all capital letters. Legally this refers to a “legal fiction” also known as a “legal person”.
· On the back of your card (if it was issued after the privacy act of 1974) it says that the card is the property of the Social Security Administration.
It is true that most of us received this card as children but when we became adults and voluntarily used this number for employment, credit, taxes and so on we inadvertently accepted the legal identity of the legal person (all capitalized name) that was created by the issuing party of the chattel paper (i.e. social security card). Our new alleged creator claims legal ownership of us for as long as we use that card/number as identification. I know this sounds preposterous but unfortunately this is a fact. This social adhesion contract is legally valid and through this contract we have exchanged our God given unalienable Rights for civil rights and civil liberties granted as privileges by the creator of the legal fictions that we have admitted to be. When we fill out W-4 forms, 1040 forms, credit applications and so on, we swear an oath under penalty of perjury that we are the legal fiction that our new owners/creators say we are. The card is actually issued through the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury and we have legally pledged our life’s worth as collateral for the un-payable national debt. The Federal Reserve notes that we use are not backed by gold or silver they are backed only by public faith. The only reason they work is that we believe that they will work. You cannot pay a debt with Federal Reserve notes because it is debt based currency and you can’t pay a debt with another debt. All we can do is discharge our debt with a limited liability to the national debt.
Contrary to popular belief the Federal Reserve System is not part of the US Government it is a privately owned corporation that creates money out of nothing and then charges interest on it. Whatever we think that we’ve bought with this fiat (fake) currency actually stands as collateral for the loan of that fiat currency which we have foolishly taken in exchange for our labor. The income tax or withholding tax that we pay is actually interest on the loan of the faith-backed currency. It amounts to a first fruit tithe paid to our new self-proclaimed creator the Federal Reserve System (which also claims ownership of our State and Federal Government through the terms of a bankruptcy agreement). Now we sit and wait for the high priest of mammon Allan Greenspan to toss a bone of lower interest rates and count on government agencies to sustain us in our hour of need. Indecently, every nation with a national debt has been issued numbers to their persons similar to the Social Security numbers that we have.
It is certainly important for us listen to what God tells us through the Holy Scriptures but isn’t it equally important (for our salvation) to be aware of what we are telling God through our faith, works and actions? Have we not sworn oaths under penalty of perjury on tax forms, credit applications and so on? Didn’t YeHoWSHuWaH (“Jesus”) the Christ tell us not to swear any oaths but to let our yea be yea and our nay be nay (Mathew: 5:34 thru 5:37 and James: 5:12)? Through our oaths haven’t we pledged our faith as collateral for the Federal Reserve notes? Can we have faith in YaHWeH (“God”) the Father and mammon (money)? Isn’t that trying to serve two masters, which we are told we cannot do (Mathew: 6:24 and Luke: 16:13)? Haven’t we accepted the identity of legal person that was created in the image of a beast power and have we not further accepted his (the beast’s) name (in all capital letters), his number (i.e S.S. number), and his trademark (i.e. S.S. card) which gives us permission to sell our labor and for others to buy our labor (Revelations: 13:17)? If we cannot sell our labor can we buy anything? Do we trust the UNKNOWN GOD (Acts: 17:23) to provide for us when we are in need? Do we expect to receive welfare benefits, unemployment benefits, social security benefits, medicaid, medicare, food stamps and so on in our hour of need, or do we trust YaHWeH (“God”) the Father to provide for us in our hour of need (Mathew: 10:29 thru 10:31 and Luke: 12:6 thru 12:7)? Have we not also accepted the title of a “person” instead of being the man/woman and living soul that YaHWeH (God) created? Does He have respect for the “persons” that we claim to be? According to the Holy Scripture (Acts: 10:34, Romans: 2:11, Ephesians: 6:9, Colossians: 3:25, James: 2:1, James: 2:9, 1 Peter: 1:17) He has no respect for persons and those that do commit sin by doing so.
We are all born dead in sin and as the legal fictions we are assumed to be we have suffered a civil death and are considered to be dead in law. However once we are born again through the blood, grace and mercy of our Savior YeHoWSHuWaH (“Jesus”) the Christ we are no longer subject to the law of transgressors and if we are convinced of their law then we are truly lost (James: 2:9). As legal fictions that are civilly dead we have our names written in the book of death can we at the same time have our name written in the Lamb’s book of life (Philippians: 4:3, Revelation: 3:5, 13:8, 17:8, 20:12, 20:15, 21:27, 22:19)? Once we have confessed Christ as our Savior we are to come out from among those who have rejected Him (2 Corinthians: 6:17, Revelation: 18:4). For a time we are in this world but as His sheep we must not be of this world because if we are then we are the subjects of Satan, the prince of this world (John: 12:31, 14:30, 16:11).
We have been given the (trade) mark of the beast (i.e. Social Security card) we hold it in our hand as we show our badge of servitude to others for the right to engage in the intercourse of commerce (i.e. buy and sell). We have accepted as fact with the lumbar region of the brain in our forehead that we are the legal person/fiction that was created by a beast power. If we don’t get victory over this mark, name and number then we are already dead in law. We have been legally bound by our oaths; we were warned by YeHoWSHuWaH (“Jesus”) the Christ that what we bind on earth is also bound in Heaven (Mathew: 16:19, 18:18). What are we telling God? What will we tell Him tomorrow?
Anyone who has questions as to the validity of the statements above I will be glad to share any and all my research material with you. Just email me at loybost@charter.net .
Peace and Grace,
Loy
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doer
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Posted - 28 Dec 2002 : 04:40:40
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Loy,
You appear to have researched and thought this out quite well. Your insights and summary are really great! Keep us posted on your new discoveries and developments.
Be Well,
Doer |
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Robert-James
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Posted - 28 Dec 2002 : 10:16:42
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| www.wilcur.com/markofthebeast/ many are called, few chosen. How do We know We are chosen? Your feet will start walking out of Babylon. James stated; show me your faith, and I will show you faith with works! |
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Mark of beast - 666 - Revelation 13:15-18
