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Lewish
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uSA
496 Posts

Posted - 01 Jan 2006 :  14:18:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I forgot to add this part of the story:

I forgot to add the part about what Andy said when he was at the License place.

They didn't want to accept his signature with the phrase written above it. They asked him what it was for.

Andy came up with a far better response than I would have thought of. He said "I dunno, it is just something my lawyer told me to do." At that, they were happy to continue and issue the license. Hmmm, we see the sheeple training used to our advantage here.

Regards,

Lewis
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Linc
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Canada
111 Posts

Posted - 01 Jan 2006 :  20:58:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by exempted
HOW I CLOBBERED
EVERY BUREAUCRATIC
CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY
KNOWN TO MAN
... a Spiritual Economics Book
on $$$ and
Remembering Who You Are
by:
Mary Elizabeth: Croft


Since I know the difference between ‘registration’ and ‘recording’, I sent the Minister of Transport (I use the Ministers of the Canadian Government to work for me) a Proposal of Contract



Can you send me copies of those documents? Strip out any personal information, of course. I'd like to see about using them as templates here in Canada. Are you on the west coast?
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Lewish
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uSA
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Posted - 01 Jan 2006 :  21:59:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Linc,

I don't have the docs handy, but here is a link to them.

Mary Elizabeth: Croft has the answer...

http://www.mayanmajix.com/croft.pdf


Lewis
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Linc
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Canada
111 Posts

Posted - 02 Jan 2006 :  21:17:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lewish
Mary Elizabeth: Croft has the answer...
http://www.mayanmajix.com/croft.pdf



Thanks Lewis. I talked to a local activist friend, and he had already read her book. He agreed with me that she is practicing fraud of various sorts, including check fraud.

I want to leave Babylon behind. Just because Babylon is defrauding others, doesn't mean I can join in the fray and use Babylon's techniques.
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Lewish
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 :  23:10:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Linc,

I too, question some of her assertions. I provided the link only because I had it. I don't condone or recommend the material thereon.

I have left Babylon, and have no need of it baubles.

Peace,

Lewis Vincent
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Caleb
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Philippines
209 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2006 :  05:02:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Lewis,

Any update on the "Drivers License Exemption card". Which statute was it found in?

Thanks

"Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end"
Isaiah 9:7
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 03 Jan 2006 :  09:07:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings and saluations, brother Lewis:

Peace be unto the house.

We thank you very much for your explanation and we too love the response that young man gave. The truth prevails once more.

Sincerely,
- brother Robert: & sister Kathleen:


fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act.
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Lewish
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Posted - 03 Jan 2006 :  20:39:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Brother Caleb,

Haven't had time to look further. Very low priority right now.

Regards,

Lewis
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Greg
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uSA
76 Posts

Posted - 18 Mar 2007 :  14:29:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings and blessing group. The only way I have seen a STATE rescind a DL is when they recieve a request by another STATE to do so, for some reason you are not supposed to retain a "valid" DL in more than one STATE at a time? Because it establishes residency? Any way, I ran across this about "exemptions"
USC Title 49 subtitle VI part B
§ 31315. Waivers, exemptions, and pilot programs
(b) Exemptions.—
(1) In general.— Upon receipt of a request pursuant to paragraph (3), the Secretary of Transportation may grant to a person or class of persons an exemption from a regulation prescribed under this chapter or section 31136 if the Secretary finds such exemption would likely achieve a level of safety that is equivalent to, or greater than, the level that would be achieved absent such exemption. An exemption may be granted for no longer than 2 years from its approval date and may be renewed upon application to the Secretary.


and,

(d) Preemption of State Rules.— During the time period that a waiver, exemption, or pilot program is in effect under this chapter or section 31136, no State shall enforce any law or regulation that conflicts with or is inconsistent with the waiver, exemption, or pilot program with respect to a person operating under the waiver or exemption or participating in the pilot program.

Couldn't hurt to ask for one...right? Based upon your religious beliefs that you are free to come and go with your property as you please, and that being as the STATE requires a SS number to obtain a DL (which has nothing to do with your ability to safely traverse the common ways without injury to another), and that the Lord our God has forbidden that we be numbered, and that we are to owe no man anything but to Love one another, and that we are not to be unequally yoked, etc, etc, and as you do not "operate a motor vehicle for commercial purposes" but merely do the work of the Lord. Then if we ask in accord with how they have said they will recognize the request we may fair better?
On the topic of religion, please refer to;

USC Title 42 Chapter 21B
(a) In general
Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, except as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Exception
Government may substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion only if it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person—
(1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and
(2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.


Well requiring a SS number, especially when participation in SS is "voluntary", is certainly not the "least restrictive means" of insuring that my/our traversing the common ways does not degridates the safety they wish to insure...unless of course there is another purpose, besides safety, in requiring a DL. If that's the case how great would it be to have them on the record stating what other purpose the DL serves?

I intend to pursue this as a means for attempting to obtain a "recognized exempt" status. As is the purpose of a forum, I welcome comments and thoughts.

Blessings,Peace, and his Mercy unto his House,
His humble servant, Greg.
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Owenbrittont
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USA
86 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  18:53:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone thought about going through USC Title 50 Appendix 9 ? Correct their given status of alien enemy, resident etc ??
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Thomas7
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uSA
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Posted - 27 Sep 2007 :  09:09:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
His blessings to all,

Greg, have you anything new to report on your efforts to obtain an exemption? I saw another post by Lewish that indicated he was trying to accomplish the same.

I am highly interested in your findings.

Thomas

2Co 3:17 Now YHWH is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of YHWH is, there is freedom.

Edited by - Thomas7 on 30 Sep 2007 16:10:05
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Greg
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uSA
76 Posts

Posted - 30 Sep 2007 :  01:09:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings Thomas and others. I decided not to pursue obtaining an exemption.
I drew the conclusion this whole thing (for me anyway) is about obeying God rather than men...especially under such a corrupt system of man so contradictary to God and his Will/Law(s).
That being said, to ask them for an "exemption", rather granted or denied, is asking them for permission to obey Gods Law(s). This just doesn't sit right with the grain of my being.
So I have no intention of asking them for anything. I have also quit looking for a way they will recognize to back out of the system. I just cast it all aside and don't pick it up or claim any of it. This works fine for me for now, as I have already proven to myself in a court room that you can only be tied to the "ALL CAPS, SS account, etc" through your consent, or by another rendering appearance on your behalf (the first appearance is usually made on the side of the road, if it's not done here they will continue in their tricky attempts to get it).
I find it terribly hard to believe that if I happen to live to see the end of times that I would be able to stand the test and be beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast, if I'll place them before God now just to avoid lossing some freedom from time to time for "driving without a license".
If a mans reply to that is "I have a family to look after", then I emplore you to think about rendering that response when they tell you that you cannot work, nor buy food for your family without the mark.

If a licenses purpose was to insure those on the road did not endager others and / or infringe upon others rights, it would be acceptable (if it didn't require a SS#). But like all things from the gubberment this is merely the fascade it is given to make it appear as if it's in everyones best interest.

Be Blessed group.

In Christ,
Greg.
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Cornerstone Foundation
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uSA
254 Posts

Posted - 30 Sep 2007 :  14:37:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Greg
...I have already proven to myself in a court room that you can only be tied to the "ALL CAPS, SS account, etc" through your consent, or by another rendering appearance on your behalf (the first appearance is usually made on the side of the road, if it's not done here they will continue in their tricky attempts to get it)...

Be Blessed group.

In Christ,
Greg.



Cornerstone Foundation wrote:

What is the proper way to handle things at the side of the road so that that encounter does not constitute an appearance?

Best Regards,

Marty
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Thomas7
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Posted - 30 Sep 2007 :  15:18:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks brother Greg for your perspective. I understand it, and it is a good point. The way I see it however, is that the exemption represents the fact I'm not under man's law but rather YHWH's. If they agree (by granting exemption), then fine. If not, or if there were strings attached I'd be forced to go the route you describe.

I'm definitely going to spend some time today reading how to handle "side of the road" encounters, particularly with an eye of what NOT to say. I've read a few dialogs on one section of the board that are rather confrontational. I'd prefer a low key approach, but I suspect we're coming into an era that confrontation will be required to pursue an unenfranchised path through life.

I continually pray YHWH will provide me a way out or a way to deal with these situations, and teach me His wisdom and understanding so I may live in a manor that honors Him.

2Co 3:17 Now YHWH is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of YHWH is, there is freedom.

Edited by - Thomas7 on 30 Sep 2007 16:09:23
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Greg
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uSA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 :  02:00:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings Marty, Thomas7, and others.
The answer to your query Marty is here within this site. Not trying to be elusive, but there is a great deal of reading one can and should do in the "resources" area, "Devoted to truth" link.
I believe I've read nearly everything there and it was a great help to me in not appearing to try and be illusive or refusing to answer questions on the side of the road...as I always had an asnwer, just not one they wanted to hear.

Happy reading!
Be Blessed.

In Christ,
Greg.
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Bondservant
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 :  08:52:14  Show Profile  Visit Bondservant's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Greg

Greetings Marty, Thomas7, and others.
The answer to your query Marty is here within this site. Not trying to be elusive, but there is a great deal of reading one can and should do in the "resources" area, "Devoted to truth" link.
I believe I've read nearly everything there and it was a great help to me in not appearing to try and be illusive or refusing to answer questions on the side of the road...as I always had an asnwer, just not one they wanted to hear.

Happy reading!
Be Blessed.

In Christ,
Greg.

For those using Firefox, the link for Devoted to Truth is:

http://ecclesia.org/truth/

Inside that index is some real meat to chew on at the Lawful Assembly:

http://ecclesia.org/truth/assembly.html

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Lewish
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Posted - 08 Oct 2007 :  17:49:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Brothers,

An interesting way to handle a side of the road encounter is to start out by being very friendly and cordial to the officer. Then inform him that you are granting the Trust that he is requesting, but that you as Grantor, and by the authority of Grantor, are appointing him Trustee of that Trust and making him responsible for everything related to the Trust. Then suggest politely, that if he doesn't understand he new responsibilities, that perhaps it would be prudent for him to contact legal assistance of his law enforcement agency.

What we have seen so far is that the officer after talking to "legal assistance" no longer is interested in doing business with the Grantor of the Trust.

Remember, he is trying to get you into a contract. All contracts are Trusts and all Trusts are contracts.


Lewis
A Man on the Land on Washington as a Citizen thereon.

Edited by - Lewish on 08 Oct 2007 17:50:15
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Roger Lee
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Posted - 05 May 2008 :  11:12:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As with anything in life, you begin with prayer. Then you study the issue with great diligence. Then you prepare yourself for the attacks. That last bit is most difficult because you never know what tactics the enemy will pull.

In November of last year I was stopped in smalltown Connecticut and ticketed for no registration and no insurance. My car was recorded on a UCC-3, but I didn't have a certified copy. As bizarre as this may sound, the Sgt. (one of two backups who were called in because I dared to ask a question of the officer who stopped me) offered me the option of having my car towed to the impound lot or to my final destination some 20 miles away. We settled on having my car towed to the town line and it was given back to me.

In court, I presented my now certified paperwork to the court clerk and she asked me to wait in the lobby rather than enter the courtroom. An hour and a half later she comes out, hands me my paperwork and says I'm free to go.

I now live in Massachusetts. Life is different here. (Oh, between moves, I sent my driver license back to the Connecticut MVD via a disinterested third party.) Got pulled over in smalltown Mass. Ticketed for no registration, no license (it's still on file on Connecticut which was a real surprise), no insurance. Car impounded. It took them a month to send me an invitation to court. In the interim I sent CAFVs to the cop and the towing company. I now have the cops tacit agreement through dishonor that he had no authority and the towing guy's tacit agreement that he's in possession of stolen property.

My court date is two months from now.

Bottom line – all this is very taxing. I'm learning there's more than one way to skin a cat, but not really sure if any of them really work 100% of the time. I'm walking in faith. But for now, the peace that surpasses all understanding escapes me.

Do understand that there have been dozens of small victories since I put private plates on my car 10 months ago. I've been followed by cops in many jurisdictions and none have stopped me. I post a notice on the back of may car that I do not operate in commerce and surprisingly, most get the message and leave me alone.

Roger
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Jay Scott
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Posted - 06 May 2008 :  07:25:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Roger,

Thanks for sharing your experience. That's encouraging to me. I'm working on some other things now but hope to get there. Thinking ahead...

Upon returning the DL to the DMV, did you complete an administrative process to secure agreement with the government leaders near you that the DL is not required for you to travel on common-ways in modern conveyance?

Walking by faith proves to be a struggle for me (I think my pride gets in the way). But I'm convinced it IS the path to obedience and, therefore, peace. Recently at a funeral while a projector flashed photos of the dearly departed and family on a big screen, scripture passage would be interjected periodically. I recall one passage suggesting that the author looks through a glass darkly in his current state but will at some point see clearly. And that in the meantime, I assume to overcome the darkness of the glass, he has faith, hope, and charity to rely upon. Reading that was an encouragement to me to continue the struggle with faith which I think means listening for my Maker to compel me to act and my being willing to do so even though I may not want to, or understand how, why, or what the consequences of the act will be.

Be blessed.

Jay Scott.



quote:
Originally posted by Roger Lee

As with anything in life, you begin with prayer. Then you study the issue with great diligence. Then you prepare yourself for the attacks. That last bit is most difficult because you never know what tactics the enemy will pull.

In November of last year I was stopped in smalltown Connecticut and ticketed for no registration and no insurance. My car was recorded on a UCC-3, but I didn't have a certified copy. As bizarre as this may sound, the Sgt. (one of two backups who were called in because I dared to ask a question of the officer who stopped me) offered me the option of having my car towed to the impound lot or to my final destination some 20 miles away. We settled on having my car towed to the town line and it was given back to me.

In court, I presented my now certified paperwork to the court clerk and she asked me to wait in the lobby rather than enter the courtroom. An hour and a half later she comes out, hands me my paperwork and says I'm free to go.

I now live in Massachusetts. Life is different here. (Oh, between moves, I sent my driver license back to the Connecticut MVD via a disinterested third party.) Got pulled over in smalltown Mass. Ticketed for no registration, no license (it's still on file on Connecticut which was a real surprise), no insurance. Car impounded. It took them a month to send me an invitation to court. In the interim I sent CAFVs to the cop and the towing company. I now have the cops tacit agreement through dishonor that he had no authority and the towing guy's tacit agreement that he's in possession of stolen property.

My court date is two months from now.

Bottom line – all this is very taxing. I'm learning there's more than one way to skin a cat, but not really sure if any of them really work 100% of the time. I'm walking in faith. But for now, the peace that surpasses all understanding escapes me.

Do understand that there have been dozens of small victories since I put private plates on my car 10 months ago. I've been followed by cops in many jurisdictions and none have stopped me. I post a notice on the back of may car that I do not operate in commerce and surprisingly, most get the message and leave me alone.

Roger

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Roger Lee
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uSA
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Posted - 07 May 2008 :  12:02:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Upon returning the DL to the DMV, did you complete an administrative process to secure agreement with the government leaders near you that the DL is not required for you to travel on common-ways in modern conveyance?


Yes Scott, I made a request for 12 proofs of claim. Never heard from the MV Commissioner. So I returned the DL directly to him explaining that I was not a "driver' as defined in the statues: "Driver" means any person who drives, operates or is in physical control of a commercial motor vehicle, or who is required to hold a commercial driver's license."



Roger
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