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yardstick
Senior Member
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 Posted - 13 Apr 2007 : 08:04:04
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Originally posted by JT
The laws say that we can have an annulment of the marriage license if we did not understand the nature or ramifications of the contract, but the implied meaning is referring to our commitment to each other...
The logic here implies the ramifications of the nature of the contract with the state also... |
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Lewish
Advanced Member
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Posted - 15 Apr 2007 : 20:24:59
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Greetings,
The Marriage License is a contract in which the STATE is the third party. The STATE never disclosed that it would permanently be acting as partner in the marriage, so the contract is cancellable by failure to disclose.
Do an Affidavit to that effect and record it in the County Records. Serve a copy on the STATE with Notice. If they fail to respond in 30 days plus 5 days for mail service, record a Notice of Non-Response and collateral estoppel. The STATE can then never raise the issue again. They are estopped.
Done!
Peace to you all.
Lewis
A Man on the Land on Washington as a Citizen thereon. |
Edited by - Lewish on 15 Apr 2007 20:26:03 |
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HenryBowman
Regular Member
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 23:50:29
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Most Bible believers, if they have a desire to follow God and his ways, want God (the God of the bible/ Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, just to be sure we aren’t talking about someone else) to be the third party of their marriage.
So, they go to the local Register of Deeds, and get a marriage license, and then they call their pastor and arrange a time to get married.
They plan their wedding day with joy, and on that day, they take their vows “before God.”
Then, the pastor says the following words: “By the power vested in me by the State of North Carolina, I hereby pronounce you man and wife.”
What just happened here?
This happy couple just made sure that any children from their union belong to the state, as do all the fruits of the marriage: (Property).
“Wait a minute,” you say. “You’ve flipped your lid.”
You would think so, wouldn’t you? Surely a Christian couple would not intentionally do this.
I didn’t say intentionally. Actually, they do this out of ignorance, although I am not so sure about the pastor’s role in helping them do this.
Here’s how the scenario plays out.
North Carolina case law sets forth:
Ritchie v. White, 225 N.C. 450, 35 S.E.2d 414 (N.C. 10/10/1945)
“There are three parties to a marriage contract -- the husband, the wife and the State. For this reason marriage is denominated a status, and certain incidents are attached thereto by law which may not be abrogated without the consent of the third party, the State.” (Emphasis added)
Do you think North Carolina is the only state with similar case law?
MINNESOTA
KASAL v. KASAL, 35 N.W.2d 745, 227 Minn. 529
"Marriage is a civil contract, to which there are three parties: the husband, the wife, and the State"
FLORIDA
Potter v. Potter, 1931, 101 Fla. 1199, 133 So. 94: "the State is a party interest in every marriage contract[.]"
NEW JERSEY
Blackman v. Iles, 4 N.J. 82, 89 (1950), "The legislature, in dealing with the subject of marriage, has plenary power, as marriage differs from ordinary common law contracts, and is subject to control and regulation by the state."
Instead of showing you more examples, I will just tell you that almost every state mirrors this precedent. After all, they issue the licenses, so they control the use of those licenses.
Have you ever wondered what the etymology (word origin) of the word “license” is?
For a disturbing study, visit www.etymonline.com
See that license derives from licentious, which is “morally unrestrained, especially in sexual activity.” Webster’s New World Dictionary
Let’s look at the “legal” definition of “license.”
“The permission by competent authority to do an act which, without such permission, would be illegal, a trespass, a tort, or otherwise not allowable.” Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
So, the issue of a license by the state is the state’s permission to get married. Did you catch that?
And the Word of God says: Genesis 2:24 “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”
And again in Matthew 19:4-6 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
And again in Mark 10:6-9 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Do you see anywhere in these verses that says: “What therefore the State hath joined together,…”
I don’t, and I see that cleaving to your wife makes you one flesh (married).
And even though it was the deepest intent of our hearts when we took those vows, to invoke God into our marriage as the third party, the “licensed” (by the state) minister, did his duty, as the agent of the state, and made sure that the state had a place at our dinner table, and in our bed, and in our children’s lives.
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HenryBowman
Regular Member
USA
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 23:54:42
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Scriptural Covenant of Marriage
pursuant to the authority of the Holy Word of God
and Revocation/Recission of “Marriage License.”
We, John Henry Doe, a flesh and blood man, and, a flesh and blood woman, and children of Almighty God pursuant to accepting His gift in John 3:16, do hereby execute this Covenant of Marriage and Revocation/Recission of “Marriage License under the authority of the Holy Word of Almighty God, recorded in the King James Version Bible, which says in Mark 10, Verses 6-9, “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
On this, the ___ Day of May, in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Five, we hereby revoke and rescind the so called “APPLICATION, LICENSE AND CERTIFICATE OF MARRIAGE” bearing license number _____ or any other number, that was signed by John Henry Doe and/or Henrietta Jane Smith Doe on _DATE SIGNED_, hereinafter “Marriage License.” We believe that government that is “ordained by God” (Romans 13) is subjugated to the jurisdiction of Almighty God, and will not try to take the place of Almighty God. We wanted Almighty God to be the third party in our marriage, with Him joining us together, But we see, stated in Potter v. Potter, 1931, 101 Fla. 1199, 133 So. 94: "the State is a party interest in every marriage contract[.]" We hereby disavow that we were ever informed that the State was a party to any marriage contract that we entered into, and as such there was no meeting of the minds, or full disclosure from the State, making that contract void ab initio. We hereby revoke and rescind our signature(s), implied or actual, from any so called “Marriage License,” and demand that any records of such be removed and/or expunged from government custody, records, and registers.
We hereby revoke and rescind any authority, power of attorney, jurisdiction, control, or any other power that the State of Florida presumed, assumed, received, or was granted by us, due to the taking of our marriage vows, or the signing of our so called “Marriage License.” We hereby revoke and rescind any oath(s) and/or affirmations that were made by the signing of the “Marriage License.” We hereby deny the State of Florida, or any other government of man any jurisdiction in our marriage or fruits of our marriage, including children and all other property.
We hereby covenant in marriage with Almighty God, and make these oaths to Almighty God and to each other to: love and cherish one another, honor one another, follow the directives of the Holy Word of Almighty God concerning husbands and wives, including, but not limited to Ephesians 5:21-33, and we vow to be faithful to one another, cleave to one another, and become one flesh, as the scripture says, and we ask that Almighty God would seal our covenant with his blessing, and join us together with His presence as a three-fold cord till we are separated by death. We hereby declare that any property that we own, we own jointly, and not separately, and we hold all things in common such as the fruits of our marriage, including our children and all other property, before God.
We do not revoke or rescind any oath that was made on December XX, 1984 at Central Baptist Church, in XXXXXX City, Florida that enabled us to be husband and wife before Almighty God. We do, however revoke and rescind any parts of any oath(s) that enabled the State to be made a party to our marriage, unbeknownst to us.
John Henry Doe, Husband___________________________
Henrietta Jane Smith Doe, Wife, under Coverture____________________________
Florida
________ County
Before me, the undersigned, a Notary Public acting in and for the County of ______________, and State of Florida on this ____ day of March, 2006, the above named parties executed by act and deed the foregoing instrument and then acknowledged to me their free and voluntary act. Purpose of jurat is for acknowledgement/identification only, and cannot be used to indicate entry into any foreign jurisdiction. Given under my hand and seal this ______ day of March, 2006.
_______________________________
Notary Public
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Greg
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 00:44:02
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Amen, and Amen! Very well put Henry.
May I ask (and do so on the forum as other inquiring minds may want to know) what is "ATFOTRAF"?
God Bless this forum and it's participants,
His humble servant,
Greg.
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HenryBowman
Regular Member
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 08:25:45
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Originally posted by Greg
May I ask (and do so on the forum as other inquiring minds may want to know) what is "ATFOTRAF"?
After The First One, The Rest Are Free.
[Or, they can only hang you once...]
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State Issued Marriage License
