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berkano
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Posted - 03 Mar 2003 :  11:51:07  Show Profile  Visit berkano's Homepage
"He that liveth and believeth on me shall never die."

" . . . Should not perish, but have everlasting life."

"And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. . .
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

"And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind,…that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal . . . And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

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Question: Why not in today's "age?" Where has faith gone? Up in a whirlwind? Jesus never died . . . he laid down his life and took it up again, correct?

doer
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Posted - 03 Mar 2003 :  15:52:29  Show Profile
Brother Berkano,

But of course it happens in "today's age!" We corrupted individuals are simply not ready to receive that knowledge. So our faith is tested until we become ready. The ancient saying goes, "When the disciple is ready, the Master will appear."

To whit: Hebrews 5:6 - 5:11 --
As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

And Hebrews 6:20 --
Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

And Hebrews, Chapter 7 --
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. And inasmuch as not without an oath [he was made priest]: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

And from Hebrews, Chapter 6 --
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, . . . But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. . . . And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. . . . And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. . . . Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: . . . That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: . . . Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; . . . Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

And Psalms 110:3-4 --
Thy people [shall be] willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

We are "dull of hearing," and so are yet far removed from the possibility of joining the "Order of Melchisedec." But "through faith and patience inherit the promises." So it is a sacred promise to those who follow The Way.

Be Well,
Doer



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Posted - 18 Mar 2003 :  12:04:08  Show Profile
hallo my first from kenya i think we do not have enough faith as christ once said to his disciples woe unto men of little faith
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