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Cowboy
Regular Member

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 07 Jun 2002 :  14:22:38  Show Profile
I've heard you can.

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All4Him
Junior Member

uSA
16 Posts

Posted - 08 Jun 2002 :  09:43:12  Show Profile
This forum is filled with lots of information concerning the Good and Lawful Christian Man. Do a search to find the more than 150 articles posted here on the ECC. Another place to seek true knowledge is at the Christ's Lawful Assembly located at http://ecclesia.org/truth/assembly.html

Articles by Randy Lee and the latest Book of Hundreds info can be found at that site as well as here on the ECC. I suggest you also request from them their free newsletter to keep you up on the true path of a Good and Lawful Christian Man concerning your separation from the marks of the world, such as Driver Licences and U.S. Social Security.

Edited by - All4Him on 08 Jun 2002 09:44:33
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Cowboy
Regular Member

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 10 Jun 2002 :  11:47:25  Show Profile
Thanks I'll check it out.

In general is this a long drawn out process, or something that (if done propery) can be done relatively quickly ?

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DanielJacob
Advanced Member

USA
138 Posts

Posted - 10 Jun 2002 :  19:45:05  Show Profile  Visit DanielJacob's Homepage
You cannot withdraw from the Social Security program. Your only real option is to just stop using the number. That number does not belong to you. It was assigned to the fictious entity, ALL CAPS NAME, that the Social Security Administration created when the flesh and blood man made application.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.



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Cowboy
Regular Member

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 11 Jun 2002 :  10:48:25  Show Profile
Yes, I understand the principle, but practicaly speaking, for instance how do I get my employer to stop taking out funds ...etc. ?



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DanielJacob
Advanced Member

USA
138 Posts

Posted - 12 Jun 2002 :  20:22:42  Show Profile  Visit DanielJacob's Homepage
You can't because they won't. The simple fact is that since you are an "Employee", you are exercising the commercial benefits afforded you by your "Employer", (this is also recognized by the State as a Master/Slave relationship) who in turn exists by statue of the State, and exercises the benefit of commercial activity and protection of the State. Being joined at the hip with these worldly entities inturn requires that you "pay" your fair share to "enjoy" those "benefits", "privledges", and "opportunities".

You could possibly obtain a different "job" with another "Employer" and take the position that you don't have an SSN because of your faith convictions. This may or may not work. I know that Taco Bell doesn't require an SSN but they will still withhold. You could also find a calling to perform for "cash only" and work at that.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

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Cowboy
Regular Member

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 13 Jun 2002 :  12:39:37  Show Profile
Yes,
but as an interim approach, I've heard there is a way to get the "employer" to stop.

Also, heard that when you've paid a certain amount into it then you aren't
required to put anymore in ?

JN 17:17
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DanielJacob
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USA
138 Posts

Posted - 13 Jun 2002 :  16:58:49  Show Profile  Visit DanielJacob's Homepage
Well, you can try it. Besides, there are those that say a lot of thinks about which they know nothing. It is usually some form of scheme that they use to separate the gullible from their money. In many cases it is also do what I say, not do as I do, meaning that they have never really tried to do what they say, they only expound the theory. People that I personally know have tried, without success, to get their employers to stop withholding. I don't believe that you can do it with an existing employer.
Those who claim that once you have paid into the system for a number of quarters (40), that you are paid up, fail to look at the the actual law that governs the SS system. No where does it say that you are no longer obligated to pay into the system. It is not merely the statues, but the case law that deals with the statues. After forty quarters you are vested, meaning that you are 'supposedly guaranteed' a certain amount when you reach retirement age, whatever that is. This means that you can stop working for those that will force you pay into the system or you can continue to work and they will continue to withhold. It is a pay as you go system. You must understand, that as long as you are in the Employer/Employee relationship you are considered to be part of the ungodly that man's laws apply to. The ungodly understand perfectly about bearing false witness. You can not execute two separate and opposing forms of law at the same time. Man's law is in direct opposition to God's Law in most all circumstances. If you say that you are the Christ's, that you are only in the world and not of the world, and yet you carry all of the identification of the world, and do like those of the world do, then your evidence proves that you are not what you say you are and therefor you are bearing false witness. That is just the way the governing powers look at it.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

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Shiloh
Senior Member

USA
69 Posts

Posted - 20 Jun 2002 :  05:11:39  Show Profile
The facts are simple ones.

1. Social Security is voluntary (see www.ssa.gov) don't apply if you haven't
2. Once a number has been establish for you and money has been paid to
the system the name/ number will never be distroyed.
3. You do not have to furish a SS#, but companies are distroyed by lack
of knowledge and corporate mindset that you can not out once started/
and will take out money anyway.
4. You do not need a SS# to work... unless you are working "abroad"
5. You don't have to pay SSA money if you work for yourself FOR CASH
(unless you declare you make "gross income" on a tax form. (Which in
most cases is a lie if you live and work in the United States)
6. You could file a tax form claiming your employer is mistaken about you
having made "gross income" (Federal form 4852... as an example (YOU
WILL NEED MORE FORMS THAN THIS!), and request that they
give you back the overpayment on both the "tax" payment and the "SSA"
payment as both are "gross income taxes" and you do not make "gross
income" as defined by the Secretary of Treasury, but this is both risky as
this would state 1) you are subject to the IRS (by filing a form) and 2) you
could be subject to a $500 file (Now changing to a $5000 fine) for
frivolous filing without any due process of the Law. (See www.Nite.org or
www.tax-gate.com)
7. You could work at a company without giving a SS# and when they take
the money out you can count it as gain (as you are not acting in vengence
as they steal from you)

8. You could remove yourself from the grasp of the "Government", by both working for yourself and by study all that these boards have to offer (as well as www.angelfire.org) and hold fast to the fact that the Lord is coming soon. Knowing that the Lord laughs at the webs spun by these wicked men who would enslave.


I myself have elected to aim at number 8. It seems the most peaceful to my live and the ministry of Jesus Christ. Number 6 is interesting, but at this time it could heep a ton of troubles upon you.

Shiloh



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Cowboy
Regular Member

USA
38 Posts

Posted - 26 Jun 2002 :  07:52:09  Show Profile
Shiloh

The Angelfire link didn't work ?



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Shiloh
Senior Member

USA
69 Posts

Posted - 27 Jun 2002 :  02:00:48  Show Profile
Sorry try http://www.angelfire.com/pr/truth/assembly.html

Keep in mind to compare everything you read and observe with the Bible. Make sure to check with everything, reason it through with prayer and observe the callings of the Spirit. I have read many things that would not stand up to a study of the scripture that I have seen posted on the web. I personally do not believe in the Gospel of Saint Thomas or The "Holy Twelve" posted here. When I read through these they contradicted the old testiment. An example is that the Saint Thomas tells us not to pray, fast ect. Is this consistant with the Bible? Not according to everything that I was able to read in it. We are told to pray. We are told to seek God. David fasted and prayed. Jesus fasted (40 days in Wilderness) and prayed (Garden.)

Shiloh


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Admin
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Saint Kitts and Nevis
114 Posts

Posted - 27 Jun 2002 :  08:06:13  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage
quote:
Sorry try http://www.angelfire.com/pr/truth/assembly.html

I personally do not believe in the Gospel of Saint Thomas or The "Holy Twelve" posted here.


The Christ's Lawful Assembly is now mirrored on the ECC server at http://ecclesia.org/truth/assembly.html

The purpose for placing the Gospel of Thomas and the Holy Twelve on this forum is to encourage everyone to discern what may or may not be inspired by the Lord. We must all learn how to seek His Understanding and Knowledge by prayer by His Spirit. There are many false doctrines circulating in the world that are not authored by Him. At the same time, there are also many confirmations of His Word newly written or recently discovered that the Holy Spirit has brought forth for this age. We must all practice discernment by the Holy Spirit to know what is True and what is false.

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. - Mark 12:27
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Jeffrey-Glenn
Junior Member

USA
23 Posts

Posted - 05 Jan 2003 :  21:17:07  Show Profile
Here's another area where I know a thing or two. It's true that Socialist Security is 100% voluntary. And it's also true that you are bound to the number as long as you are in the "contract". Here's the approach I have taken with that Agency.

Under Contract Law. A valid binding contract must fulfill three terms. 1) YOu must be of the age of Majority (18) 2) It must be a "knowingly intelligent act" (Brady v. U.S. , 397 U.S. 742,748), 3) it must be voluntary and an intentional act. ( Obviously not under duress)

Since I have never in my days signed a SS form. I have never entered the contract. My parents filed the SS5 for me at the time of my birth, as a term of my release from the hospital. When I turned 18,..my fathers signature was invalidated. And by "presumption" the contract continued on in my name thru a tacit agreement.

Now you cannot quit SS,..but you can lawfully "Revoke your signature from ALL documents". Remember to reserve your rights. I got a letter from SS telling me that EVERYONE in the United States is Mandatorily required to keep a valid number, per Title 20 CFR 404.

Remember I said, "presumption". I responded promptly,. in writing, with " I am not a "US citizen" and I am not a "resident of the United States." I am a nonresident alien, not subject to the laws of the United States, in this matter.

It;s been 7 months and NO rebuttal. I don't use the number,...I use a W-8BEN, for withholding purposes. It says I am EXEMPT as a foreign person.(disregarded entity) (( foreign to federal jurisdiction))

Now the IRS,...that's another ball of wax. But we keep playing "presumption tag". They have made no threats so far. Remember they Assume that you are one of their's,..and not playing according to the rules of he game. You Must Rebutt EVERY presumption, in writing. Keep a journal of your responses. They can be useful in their court if they suddenly change their minds, and say something different. ( You need to be contacting the IRS -Foreign Operations Division, not your local Field Office) Good luck with your struggle.
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