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Admin Posted - 27 Oct 2001 : 16:37:11
UCC Redemption proponents offer 'cure all claims' and 'silver bullet solutions' to present dilemmas in the struggle for freedom and independence. One of the reasons the world is in such trouble today is because we are to willing to sign on to offers that sound to good to be true. If we will grab at straws in desperation why not grab at strawmen? I believe there are some deadly flaws hidden among the truths of the UCC redemption process.

Before going to Ur, Abraham and his people lived in the Indus Valley. They left because of conflict with the Asuras who were "The mercantile caste". What do they mean Mercantile caste and what was the conflict all about?

When the Bible says Abraham was led throughout all the land of Canaan the term meant something particular. Canaan means merchants or traffickers which is what the Asuras were.

Trafficker of what?

Human sweat and blood. To live by the blood and sweat and toil of your brother rather than your own sweat is a form of social cannibalism. It was a covetous system imposed on men by men.

This is really what UCC is all about, merchants of mankind.

"For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies." Revelation 18:3

Commerce has to do with the buying and selling of goods having "profit as the chief aim" which means 'gain'. Gain and profit is not a matter of mere exchange but includes the idea of increase, usually at someone else's expense.

In looking for a good definition of commerce the best one I found was from The Devil's Dictionary (C)1911 which says, "COMMERCE, n.. A kind of transaction in which A plunders from B the goods of C, and for compensation B picks the pocket of D of money belonging to E."

It is interesting to note that the US Census is no longer done by the Department of Interior but by the Commerce Department. Birth Certificates are also registered with the Commerce Department, not only in this country but in many others. Many nations did so around 1957. So, is the Census merely an inventory of commodities available for trade or collateral?

Birth Certification by the Federal government through the State and local Counties is nothing more than adoption of a child as a child of the state where by the State becomes the father or Parens Patria.

It is not by consent or apparent consent alone that one may be subjugated as a commodity or mere Human Resource. It is also by participating deeds.

The Social Security systems also plays an important role in sealing the fate of a people (in other countries these systems are called by other names, all bound together by treaty). Social Security is both a Corban which Jesus warned against [see Mark 7:11] and a corvee system of statutory labor [not unlike that slavery in Egypt] where by a portion of your sweat, blood and tears becomes the property of the State in return for the security and protection of that exclusive corporate society.

"UCC Redemption" is supposed to protect you from the surety nature of the Social Security system.

What "UCC Redemption" does is make you solely responsible for any and all debt. It removes you from the collective debt but does not remove the liability. You become your own redeemer, beneficiary and fiduciary. You do not become the owner of your self but the owner of your debt and surety responsibility. Many will become angry at the idea that there may be a real debt. Let us assume for a moment spiritual and physical debt are as linked as body and soul.

Yet, Michael the Archangel, when contending with the devil in dispute about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee [see Jude 1:9].

If you keep your Certificates and surety number [SSN] you will still fall under their power and nothing will stand between you and them. You will stand naked in the World.

Expatriation is the key. Abraham, Moses, Israel and the rest of the people, priests, and Levites often found it necessary to expatriate and separate themselves from the commercial parens patria type systems that have appeared throughout history. This was also true of the early "Christians". Redemption is the answer, but how should that redemption be accomplished?.

Moving from citizenship in the "United States federal democracy" [a legal corporation] into the American Republic in which that corporate government does exist is the first step to expatriation. But, in the law of nations, a true Republic has no standing except as a loose group of naked individuals standing on the land. An individual is not a nation.

In a true republic, the leaders are only "titular". Because of this, the representative leaders do not have real treaty-making powers. If they are granted such powers, the freedom of the individuals of the republic is diminished considerably.

The constitution did not create a Republic. It created the corporate US federal democracy within a Republic which, being organic, has continued to metamorphose itself into the present bestial state of control, exercising authority of elite men over the others. The more you are involved with this corporate entity, the more power it develops to regulate your life. It's ability to make agreements on your behalf is greatly expanded. The federal Government takes on the role of Parens Patria, your protector and father.

"Patronus (Lat.) In Roman Law. A modification of the Latin word Pater, father. A denomination applied by Romulus to the first senators of Rome, and which they afterwards bore."

"A person who stood in the relation of protector to another who was called his 'client.'" Black's 3rd Ed. page 1338.

"Excise (excise taxes or tribute), in its origin, is the patrimonial right of emperors and kings." Vectigal, origina ipsa, jus Caesarum et regum patrimoniale est.

Government and its power is based on indebtedness or the right of the Father over his sons or adopted children. Adoption often begins with certification.

Expatriation in the United States Code is found in TITTLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY CHAPTER 12

To expatriate alone does not include repatriation to another sovereignty. There has never been any Nation or Kingdom that has presented the perfect law of Liberty better than the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.

[See TITLE 15, Sec. 15h. Applicability of Parens Patriae actions: STATUTE- Sections 15c, 15d, 15e, 15f, and 15g of this title shall apply in any State, unless such State provides by law for its non-applicability in such State.]

Parens Patria action is not applicable in the Kingdom of Heaven on earth because we are commanded so:

And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. (Matthew 23:9)

To make such a statement was a shock to those who thought man's governments and the Roman political and judicial system, its peace and commerce was good for society and business. Since Rome and the US are identical systems, modern Christian "patriots" would find that statement unbearable if they ever understood it.

In the original Greek text we find the Latin word pater, meaning 'father'. Pater was used everyday as a title of address in reference to the Senators of Rome and of course the Emperor (and before him the pro council) was referred to as 'the father of the senate' and therefore 'the Empire'. The Romans developed an elected congress called patres consritpi, the conscripted fathers.

So, we can assume that the people of the day when they heard the word pater, they knew what Jesus was saying.

The Apostate Church and church type organizations do not preach the good news of the kingdom of Heaven on earth nor the perfect law of Liberty. They instead crown men kings over other men, call for submission to those who would rob widows and orphans, who would take your sons to run before their chariots, who would kill the innocent and mine the wombs of your daughters, who devour the weak and covet the wealth of all. They have hidden the Kingdom of Heaven from the people and have turned God's world upside down and Making the word of God of none effect through their traditions

So, where is the Kingdom of God on earth? We always think of Kingdoms as land, but the most essential ingredient is that of men which are made of land anyway. Abraham knew this and so did Moses and Jesus.

Land has always been an essential ingredient to sovereignty, even of a Parens Patria position of the Father. In this case, the land the individual freed men are standing on is generally not their own land, nor do the individual states still have title to their land.

Land ownership, of some amount, somewhere is essential to the Law of Nations. It establishes domicile and freedom. This is why God has always had His kingdom of Heaven on earth. Often through individual Patriarchs from Adam to Noah and Shem to Abraham and Moses to David and finally Jesus the king.

With expatriation and repatriation one need not claim fraud or mistake but there may be a reason to do one or the other. The prodigal son, Luke 15:13.

I do not deny that there has been fraud in the creation of this world system, but I do believe that fraud should not be our first claim to voiding the relationship. The reason that I prefer the claim of "mistake" in reference to these constructive contracts is because 'mistake' focuses our attention on the beam in our own eye rather than the speck or beam in their eye. If we do not deal with our own foolishness we will simply be deceived again. Also it puts the burden of proof on them. A minor point but it sets the stage for where we should be going.

Since intent is the key element of a lawful contract, e.g. a meeting of the minds, the claim of "mistake" on our parts will work just as well as the claim of fraud. As distasteful as it may sound, in both cases, whatever tax that appears on the books should be paid-up for a number of reasons.

Many will tell you that you can leave such imagined obligations behind and "they can't touch you". This was not the advise Jesus gave Peter. Neither Jesus nor Peter owed the tax, nor did the remaining disciples. But because Peter made the mistake of saying that his master paid the tax, Jesus advised him to pay it. If Jesus is not reason enough, then I will point out that if you claim other than US citizenship by virtue of Rule 877 of the IRS codes (for what appears to be tax evasion), they have already claimed the right to confiscate all your property. This is done regularly and will continue to be done.

According to their own laws, you may expatriate to another recognized country at any time as long as you do not do so to evade taxes or apparent obligation of a preexisting nature. See:

"The 666 section" ..."HEALTH INSURANCE PORTABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ACT OF 1996," also known as Public Law 104-191 - 104th Congress, An Act." ... section 511 through 513 that provides for the forfeiture of property of anyone who losses his/her United States Citizenship (within the meaning of section 877 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986). ...

Should you use the UCC forms to escape the power of this system?

The use of the "UCC Redemption" form (UCC-1 Finance Statement) is a claim that there was no 'mistake', that you agree with the constructive contracts, and you are taking the responsibility for any debt. You may claim fraud, but that is just saying that you believe those managing things have committed fraud. You are now taking over their responsibility that was once held collectively. The UCC is not within the U.S. alone, but worldwide.

It is that SSN number [and the certified membership it expands and represents] that brings you into debt subjugation and or vulnerability.

"Redemption is deliverance from the power of an alien dominion and the enjoyment of the resulting freedom. It involves the idea of restoration to one who possesses a more fundamental right or interest. The best example of redemption in the Old Testament was the deliverance of the children of Israel from bondage, from the dominion of the alien power in Egypt." according to Zondervan's Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible

There is only one nation whose king has not joined with the New World Order of Rome and yet is recognized by that order: The Kingdom of God on earth. They have proclaimed His Kingdom in an official document nailed on the cross and sealed in blood and renewed in modern Law. If they back out now, then their own blood is forfeited. They have a blood debt to the kingdom of God on earth.

The best example of redemption is Jesus Christ. You are redeemed in His Kingdom when you expatriate from the one you are in and repatriate to His.

Moses, by adoption, became the heir to the house of Pharaoh and therefore had title to the household of Pharaoh. When he said let my people go, he was talking about his property. Moses did not want to rule over the people, but set them free within the limits they could endure. This was not unlike like Abraham when he "exited" Haran and built his alter of earth, adamic clay.

Abraham had gone from, exited, the Indus Valley to Ur, Ur to Haran and finally expatriated when his father simply started another UCC authoritarian system in Haran. Moses Expatriated. He left his father's family.

Israel was a Theocratic Republic with individual patriarchal families at its core until the people went under a King. The Israelites expatriated again under Rehoboam. The Kingdom of Judah became the remnant of the Kingdom of God on earth under the Parens Patria of the House of David.

Jesus was the Highest son of David and therefore king of Judea. He was proclaimed by the people and by Rome which the Kingdom of Judea had invited into the country for the sole purpose of making such decisions. Jesus was a King according to the World Order then and now. He would not appeal to Rome, treaty with it or submit to its authority and neither would his followers which included at first of tens of thousands of those citizens of Judea who followed the way of Jesus. They then spread out through out all the nations.

Jesus appointed ministers to His Kingdom. "And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;" [Luke 22:29]. They were not like the rulers and princes of the gentiles (nations). They could not exercise authority one over the other but were true servants, clerks of the Kingdom. These ministers and clerks spread a faith that created a dark age for tyrants.

There had been a split in the kingdom. Those that followed Jesus were the true Kingdom of God on earth, the Kingdom of Heaven which was "at hand". Those that denounced their inheritance by saying they had no king but Caesar were out, barring themselves from the promise.

In the following years this Kingdom of Heaven on earth was spread through out the world. Men were free to choose another king or not. For years Kings and centralized governments were constantly set back on their road to conquest. Why? Because Christianity was offering a new government of Liberty that operated on charity, love and faith through individual responsibility.

It was not like the government of the gentiles that exercised authority one over the other so in history it does not stand out like the dictators, depots and tyrants so well recorded in our public school texts as heroes of civilization. About mid millennium one of these would be Caesar had ventured out of his castle long enough to raise the ardor and contempt of the people. Men marched on his princely lair to teach him that tyranny would not be tolerated. His emissary went to meet this militia of freemen in hopes of negotiating a peace. After several weeks he came back frustrated saying he could make no treaty with their King for they say they are all kings.

Today, in the world, the United Nations, and the New World Order recognize the Kingdom of Jesus, but they are focusing on the false clerks and ministers who claim to be that Church. This is what happened at the time of Jesus with those who had usurped the priesthood by lies, distortions and the bloodshed of Zacharias and the prophets.

"The law of Truth was in His mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he [is] the messenger of the LORD of hosts. But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?" (Malachi 2:6, 10)

If you come out of the U.S. but continue in the ways of Canaan, then you have gained little to nothing. If you use "UCC Redemption" so you can continue to use the numbers of that system, then you are still bound. Social Security is a Corban system which Jesus preached against. There is no such system in the Kingdom of Heaven.

"And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." Revelation 18:23

If a father and mother wish to be cared for in their old age they better start taken care of their children and raising them to be men and women of independence, love, patience and charity. Social Security System is also a Corvee system of statutory labor that Moses had led men out of. Our children are not held in service to them by anything more than our service, and love to them. If you have not rid yourself of the numbers of the system or its nature then you are not free of these systems. If you claim UCC redemption, then the debt is on you. To redeem is to take ownership by paying a special price. If UCC redeems you, then you must pay the price.

If you are redeemed in the Kingdom of Jesus on earth, which is still at hand, then His Blood, His Kingdom and His Coverture stands between the armies of Pharaoh and you. The seas will part before you.

We should find out what the Kingdom of Heaven on earth really is all about and what it really looks like and repatriate there for He, Yeshua, has provided our redemption in His Kingdom on earth where in which a real salvation is waiting for our times.

The ekklesia church does not sell the truth nor freedom with multilevel marketing plans. We do not charge for admission to the sermon on the mount. We are not Patriots of our Father in Heaven for profit. What we have received, we freely give.

The Church, like the Levites and porters, was instituted for a reason. "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (see 2 Peter 1:11).

This is what we hope to do as brothers at The ekklesia Church with the same Father in Heaven coming together in His name, e.g. with the Character of Christ.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. (Romans 8:14,15)

You are Welcome to join in the Kingdom.
Peace be on your house
Gregory at the
Phone: (541) 943-3208 Fax: (541) 943-3268
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Summer Lake, Oregon [97640]
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Uncle Buck Posted - 13 Dec 2004 : 18:06:55
Originally posted by Lewish

....Now, in regards to Mr. Adask, I am afraid he has no clue as to what Roger Elvick or Jack Smith or Victoria Joy are talking about when they say they plead guilts to the facts. The facts are not the charges. The facts are carefully hidden among the charges. The charges are conclusions of law and can not be used to convict unless they are argued. By not allowing for argument, there is no where for the judge to proceed, and thus the matter is at end.

The reverse is the procedure in New South Wales, Australia, for Domestic Violence allegations. The court practically begs the alleged offender (Defendant) to CONSENT TO THE APPREHENDED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ORDER WITHOUT ADMITTING THE FACTS!

s 562BA of the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW)
HenryBowman Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 01:29:28
WOW Two days to work my way through this post and all of the rabbit trails it has. I agree with a previous poster. My mind is mush...

Thank you all for very helpful information. I am looking into CLS (Commercial Lein Strategy) as well. Anyone have any pointers about that? (Not asking for legal advice, just information)

Thanks, and Blessings of Jehova Jireh on you all!


Livefree Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 19:16:06
This article is very good:

Sever the contract by commencing an action in the state court and disclaim clauses 1 & 2 of Section 1 to the 14th Amendment; 15 U.S.C; Article IV Section 3 clause 2. The state court is the only place you have the common law option of obtaining jurisdiction without the use of a statute or Roman civil law. You fight the IRS in state court using federal law. You should never be in federal court unless in the Supreme Court. If defending in a federal court action, you must challenge service of process and subject matter jurisdiction. And simply remember this, HJR 192 is only prima facie evidence of the law. To overcome it you invoke your right to contract under Article I Section 10.

spyboy Posted - 17 Jan 2004 : 18:41:13
Greetings, and mant blessings!

re; Notice of Federal Tax Lien
I have enjoyed the information presented to date, but as usual the tendency (human nature?) seems to be to have things be more complicated then needed. I personally believe (omly a belief, subject to amendment) that this satisfies an innate ego fulfilling need (this is Not directed at anyone in particular and is NOT intended to be taken personally!)

I suspect many here have heard of the statutory reqirement that all administrative remedies must be exhausted prior to seeking any judicial action (lets leave aside for the moment the apparent fact that even what is now calling itself "judicial" is in effect administrative in its nature)
The tendendency seems to be an evolution towards a continual refining and fine tuning of those administrative remedies (they are becoming narrow and specific, and that is a common law trait)

So, as far as Notices of Federal Tax Leins, what is the immediate administrative remedy (the first procedural avenue of recourse)? It seems to me to be contained and articulated in a document as noted here. (I do not have the website, anyone who wishes can find it reletivly easy. It totals four pages))

Internal Revenue Service
26 CFR Part 301
(TD 8951) (this means treasury directive 8951)
Withdrawal of Notice of Federal Tax Lein in Certian Circumstances (this is what I would search at google, in quotes, to find it)
AGENCY: Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Treasury
ACTION: Final Regulations
Summary: (my comments; I include here selected portions I feel are inportant for the purpose at hand. Any comments of mine henceforth will be in parentheses. I will abbreviate for efficency.) This notice contains final regulations relating to the withdrawal of federal tax leins in certain circumstances. The final regs. reflect changes made to section 6323 of the IRCode of 1986 by the taxpyr. bill of rights (I realize many here my not have the legal status of "taxpayer", but I believe using the admin. remedy proscribed for those folks is in harmony with the objective, which is after all, getting the notice of lein removed in the simplest and most peaceful method. They are not going to publicly declare a seperate and specific procedure for non-taxpayers. It would not make sense and it would be a danger to thier ends, their very existence)
EFFECTIVE DATE: June 22, 2001
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Kevin B. Connelly 202-622-3630
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: this notice contains amendments to the Procedure and Admin. REGS. (26 CFR part 301) frlating to the withdrawal of NFTL under section 6323 0f IRC section 501a of taxpyrs. bill of rights (TBOR2) Public Law 104-108, 110 stst. 1452 (1996),section 2 amended section 6323 to authorize the Secretary (the designated party ACCORDING TO Taxpayer bill of rights statute) ) to withdraw a NFTL in certian limited circumstances (the terms and conditions, be on the watch, we will show you what they are) ... The final regs. are adopted with minor changes ( be on the watch, we will tell you what those changes are)... these regs. implement section 501a (501a was of no force and effect prior to this implementation)...

Explanations of provisions... the proposed regs. (prior to these changes, eg; it used to be this way) provided that the District Director had authority to withdraw NFTL if the dist. direct. determined that one of the four conditions enumerated in para. (b) of regs existed... Because of the reorganization of IRS, which eliminated the Dist. Dir. position (whoops, Elvis has left the building) the final regs. provide that COMMISSIONER OR HIS DELEGATE may withdraw NFTL (this is to WHO, remember when it comes to admin. procedure and remedy it is WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE WHY, HOW, but not necessarily in the prder)...

The NFTL is withdrawn by (this is the procedure HE, NOT YOU, is to to follow) filing a notice of withdrawal in the office in which the NFTL is filed (county recorder or sec. of state) and providing the txpyr. with a "3 copy" (?) of the notice. Following the withdrawal..., chap 64 0f subtitle F, relating to collection, is applied AS IF THE IRS HAD NEVER FILED A NFTL. ... (?)

The withdrawal does NOT affect the underlying lein (there is no underlying tax lein, there was never a lein created, it was never anything more than a notice of intention to create a lein, but you are not intended to realize that!) The withdrawal simply relinquishes any LEIN PRIORITY the IRS had obtained under sec. 6323 of IRCode when IRS had filed notice of being withdrawn (there is no longer any record of the IRS having a cloud on the title)...

Para.(b) of regs. provides (articulates) that the Commissioner has authority (can, but is not required to; a discretionary action) to withdraw NFTL IF one of the following conditions exist;
(I am just going to articulate the ones of importance for my purposes here)
1) the filing of the NFTL was PREMATURE OR OTHERWISE NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ADMIN. PROCEDURES OF THE SECRETARY. (one would need to know what those admin. procedures are to compel them to determine if such procedures were IN FACT followed. No proper assessment? See last paragraph.)
4) the withdrawal is in the BEST INTERESTS of the txpyr. AND THE UNITED STATES (would it be in the best interests of the United States to avoid potential prosecution for a violation of their own procedure in a tort action?)... It was suggested the the terms "facilitate collection" and "in the best interest of the U.S." be expressly defined but said terms are NOT defined in the final regs...

THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH A LEIN MAY BE WITHDRAWN ARE INHERANTLY FACTUAL.( I emphasize the importance of understanding this statement, for the purposes of this particular remedy the LAW is not at all relevant! It is ADMINISTRATIVE) Further refinement of the statutory terms (actually defining them, dont you just love that wordplay) may unnecessarily limit the IRS ability to withdraw a NFTL where appropriate...

The final regs. provide that a person (yeah, I know that YOU are not a "person", just as you may not be a "taxpayer", so what) MAY REQUEST (its up to you, the "onus" is yours, will you accept it to accomplish your goal?) the withdrawal of NFTL BY WRITING TO THE COMMISSIONER ( this is WHAT one is to do, and to WHERE) A written request MUST INCLUDE (if its not a proper presentment, offer, it does not get consideration, there is nothing to consider)

(1) name current address, taxpyr. identification # (this may be a little tricky if one does not THINK they have such a number, but they most likely PRESUME that one does have a number. Decide for oneself how one feels comfortable dealing with that particular)
(2) a copy of the notice
(3) the (remember, FACTUAL) grounds upon which the withdrawal is being requested (like for example, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE the IRS failed to follow the articulated procedure for filing, or whatever the factual reason might be IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE. Factual situations such as this are fact specific to the matter at hand, NOT GENERAL STATEMENTS OF FACT. It is up to the one requesting to know and state the particular violation, reason)
(4,and 5 not pertinent for our purposes)...

The Commissioner MUST (a mandatory duty) consider each (properly presented and articulated) request... and DETERMINE whether any of the conditions authorizing withdrawal exist AND whether to issue a withdrawal...( ministerial duty, if A then B. A= do it right, B= consideration of offer and determination of fact, AND whether he will issue the withdrawal. The decision as to whether he will issue is ministeral, he Must make the decision, BUT the actual content of the decision, the yes or no,is discretionary. Such is the world of limited liability and legal magic.) The Commissioner also MAY (can but is NOT required to) issue a notice of withdrawal based on information recieved from a source other than the taxpyr.... (hum, a representative maybe, or even a friend?)

It has been determined (it is not articulated where) that this final regulation is NOT a "significant regulatory action" as defined in Executive Order 12866.(?) Therefore, a regulatory assessment (?) is not required. It has also been determined that section 553b of the Administrative Procedure Act (5USC, ch. 5) does not apply to these regs., and because the collection of information in the regs. is exempt pursuant to 5USC 601 7 B, the Regulatory Flexibility Act 5USC, ch. 6) does NOT apply. ( This is as far as I have gotten in my study of this directive, pg. 2 of 4. I have not researched the above para., and if anyone is interested, it would be of value and much appreciated if one(s) would "pick up the ball" here and check this out. I believe the above statement refering to assessments is important to understand as it is my understanding that there are rarely, if ever, lawful assessments perfected by the IRS. It is imperative that anyone who intends to use this procedure to effect thier own remedy do thier "due diligence" and study this and related information carefully! All are responsible for thier own actions)

I hope this information is useful and I appreciate the opportunity to offer it in this forum. May the blessing be. SpyBoy

PS There is a site run by a man named Jim Shaver that has much information of these NFTL, their true nature and the "fradulent conversion" process the occurs in the County Recorders office in their filing, as well as possible remedies to the whole scheme on a county level and larger scale. To find it search "jim shaver" at google.
Jaywood216 Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 20:16:58
Thanks Lewis from Jim
DanielJacob Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 14:41:10

Thanks for clarification.

Lewish Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 14:37:01

If you want a Treasury Direct Account, go to and follow the instructions under "Open an Account".

DanielJacob Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 00:52:44

Perhaps you could or would elucidate us a little further on the obtaining of the Treasury Direct Account. I have read about this on several forums but have yet to have someone explain it. Thanks..

Peace brother...
Lewish Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 22:28:48
Hi Jay,

You can't find the process, because there is no such thing relative to Redemption. A Treasury Direct Account is an account you open with the Treasury so that you can buy and sell Treasury bonds, notes, T-bills, etc.

Hope this helps,

Jaywood216 Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 18:52:06
Hi All,

I'm a new guy here and have read with interest the various points of view. One thing I would like to ask of someone is this: I have read in several places about activating the TDA but I don't seem to find anywhere the process for doing it. Can someone fill me in on this, Thanks, Jim
gsgkill Posted - 07 Dec 2003 : 20:21:05
I just read an article and then used several links like findlaw to several legal dictionaries on line.

i found this website. I'm just new at this I went into shock once again.

the premises that we were al born into bondage is true. the premise that we are free is false. THE key legal word for to day is registered. as defined:
security and bond

security as defined in law under registed:
1 a: something (as a mortgage or collateral) that is provided to make certain the fulfillment of an obligation
Example: used his property as security for a loan
2.evidence of indebtedness, ownership, or the right to ownership
3.evidence of investment in a common enterprise (as a corporation or partnership) made with the expectation of deriving a profit solely from the efforts of others who acquire control over the funds invested
Example: a security involves some form of investment contract

bond as defined:in law under registered::
1 a: a usu. formal written agreement by which a person undertakes to perform a certain act (as appear in court or fulfill the obligations of a contract) or abstain from performing an act (as committing a crime) with the condition that failure to perform or abstain will obligate the person or often a surety to pay a sum of money or will result in the forfeiture of money put up by the person or surety.
b: one who acts as a surety

2: an interest-bearing document giving evidence of a debt issued by a government body or corporation that is sometimes secured by a lien on property and is often designed to take care of a particular financial need
(see also collateralized mortgage obligation)
: the money put up
Note: The purpose of a bond is to provide an incentive for the fulfillment of an obligation. It also provides reassurance that the obligation will be fulfilled and that compensation is available if it is not fulfilled. In most cases a surety is involved, and the bond makes the surety responsible for the consequences of the obligated person's behavior. Some bonds, such as fidelity bonds, function as insurance agreements, in which the surety promises to pay for financial loss caused by the bad behavior of an obligated person or by some contingency over which the person may have no control.

what does this all mean?????
Your parents registered your birth certificate with the state; it became a surity and a bond was taken on it. ie your a slave.
You registered your car it stop being your car. You registered you deed it stopped being yours. You registered to vote as an adult you became by your signature a debtor without even title to your own self. With you permission!!!!!

when you registered your fire arm it became not yours and therefore under the right to keep and bare arms it does not apply to you.

Everything you think you own is bonded and security is placed upon it.

This is where the bible comes in:
Da:8:5: And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

A he goat is actually a she goat and the, and the goat is a he goat. The first Goat mentioned is a she goat and the second a he goat. But the word goat does not mean an animal.

It describes a nature of something.

The first goat = strong 5795. The second goat = prancing skipping around depart early 6842

West = the region of the evening sun, barter, mortgage, occupy, surety 4628

Touched = violently strike, punish, destroy, beat, lay the hand upon 5060

Notable = compact, agreement behold, 2380

Ground = nations, wilderness, world to be firm 776

Face = whole earth

Earth = nations 776

Whole = all 3605

Between = within 996

Came = came 935

So here is my take on this;

Since I already know what the horn is; putting it into perspective as to the horn is.

Horn - Hebrew word 7161 a peak of a mountain corner of an altar, rays, shine, a ray of light.

Triangle, corner, rays, ONE eye

The English translation for eyes is Hebrew word 5870 is eye. (Singular) not Plural

As I was considering behold an strong (NEW WORLD ORDER)came to barter, mortgage, surety and occupy on the face of all the nations (GLOBAL) and did not violently strike the nations and the (NEW WORLD ORDER) made an agreement(TREATIES)(CONTRACTS) with the triangle that had the eye within. .

gsgkill Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 11:16:35
Just a small dream. off topic i guess
I own one city block of in the town where I live. What makes me a slave in this county is the sheep running the county. You use to be able to buy 6 inches of intercourse from intercourse Nevada. Now I wonder if 100,000 people purchased 100,000 one inch tracts of land would you now be a voting member of the County? Where by you could vote the sheep out and position informed members to become county assessor, sheriff, mayor, city councilman, Judge, policeman, register of deeds office. district rep? In my county there are about 3000 registered voters and only about a 3rd vote. the last election the sheriff won by 15 votes You could take this country back county by county. The same people in my county hold there office for life. They are never voted out. I would be glad to send one silver dollar for a tract of land one inch square and register my one inch square plot of property with the county I would be glad to pay my tiny tax. I would be glad to become a registered voter in your county. The trouble is were are a divided country. I live here you live there. I would wager that could organize such an endeavor.
Surveyor Posted - 06 Dec 2003 : 09:40:48
Ezek:7:19: They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

Is this not what the people have already done back in the 30's.
Now the people cannot deliver themselves by gold and silver because they are bound in a legal relationship with the State by which they have lost ownership to all their substance and have not the price of redemption.

gsgkill Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 22:53:29
You can put together your abstract and $10.00 send a copy to The Bureau of Land Management requesting the certified copy Allodial title and take it to the country register of deeds and file it under misc. Cause they won't let file it where it needs to be. In essence you accomplish nothing. But at least you get the satisfaction of having an argument with them.

You can ask the County Assessor to give you a list copy of all the current bonds and interest rates and totals. You ask for all the past matured bonds there interest rates and totals. Once you get the list you ask for your percentage in the county to pay the current bonds including interest in full. If there are current bonds posted. Pay up front your percentage plus interest. Then make a public record in the newspaper heading Notice of public record I john Doe paid all my percentage of bonds ## and # in full. I have fired all past trustee's of my property (legal description) and have appointed myself as sole trustee. I hereby notice the county they must have my consent to enter me into any future bond contracts. I know a lady who did this successfully. She paid $800.00 up front for her share. The question is are there current unpaid bonds? You know that school bond they have been trying to pass for the last 10 years. But we might just keep paying those bonds which are not active anyway because everyone else does.

Isn't there something in the bible that says that gold and silver becomes worthless. I believe, I read that but cant seem to find it. You can buy silver dollars for $6.00 to 9.00. You can buy a $20.00 gold piece for what $300?. You can buy a silver round for 5.85.

Can you by gas with a silver dollar? Sure you can take your expensive silver dollar and by a dollars worth of gas. Could you buy gas with a $20.00 gold piece? maybe you could barter fifty bucks. You could sell any of that to a collector or a coin shop for FRN's So you tell me what spends in this New World Order? The only thing gold and silver is worth is what it is worth to me. This is why they have removed all the silver from the coins you can't spend the stamped dollar amount and stay solvent. In essence you could say gold and silver has been made worthless.

Watch out for claim jumpers, remember that's why we register those deeds. .

I know a small town in Missouri. The city wanted to pull a sneaky, so they published a notice of public record in Missouri but on the other side of the state. It was legal.and sneaky but legal. I don't see why you couldn't also make it a mater of pubic record you purchased said property back in the same way.
gsgkill Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 20:41:45
I flinky dad sold my property ( legal description) to John Doe on (date,day and year. Same way you would copy write your name. When Published in the paper give heading Notice of Public Record.
Surveyor Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 07:37:44
This is about the same as knowing that here is no law that requires anyone to get a license or a social security number either but just knowing this wont solve the problems of living without them. How do you plan to make the transfer a matter of public record without recording the deed. The tax man will not likely change the way the property is assessed until he has a recorded deed on record. As far as he would be concerned the property would still be in your name. This is how the property would be liened and you will still be fighting the same battle.
Surveyor Posted - 05 Dec 2003 : 07:34:25
Originally posted by gsgkill

property rights and tax liens
We always seem make the obvious sheep like moves. Like good robots we buy a pieces of property and run right down and register it with the county register of deeds office, why?

So they can become part owners of our property? so we can say look I own this property? now you can bond it I'll pay rent we will call it tax! Oh yes and make me a tenant on my equity deed.

I was talking to a friend of mine who is very knowledgeable in the field of property rights and he told me where is the law which requires us to register our deeds with the county?

He says there isn't, we just do it because everyone else has.

Sell you property to me for $25.00 and make it a matter of public record. Then notify the county where you had your property registered that you sold your property to John Doe giving them a copy of the public record. Tell the county assessor that as far as you know John is not going to register the deed with them. Buy back your property for $26.50 and hold on to the transactions and legal documents and keep them in a safe place. There will be nothing to lien at the county level because as far as the records show that property is not registered with them and county loses jurisdiction and therefore the IRS loses it as well.

loybost Posted - 04 Dec 2003 : 23:13:19
Greetings Brother Gary,

You make an excelent point (as you tend to do). Do you use gold or silver in this process?

Peace and Grace,

Loy Robert: Bost, III
gsgkill Posted - 29 Nov 2003 : 13:18:26
property rights and tax liens
We always seem make the obvious sheep like moves. Like good robots we buy a pieces of property and run right down and register it with the county register of deeds office, why?

So they can become part owners of our property? so we can say look I own this property? now you can bond it I'll pay rent we will call it tax! Oh yes and make me a tenant on my equity deed.

I was talking to a friend of mine who is very knowledgeable in the field of property rights and he told me where is the law which requires us to register our deeds with the county?

He says there isn't, we just do it because everyone else has.

Sell you property to me for $25.00 and make it a matter of public record. Then notify the county where you had your property registered that you sold your property to John Doe giving them a copy of the public record. Tell the county assessor that as far as you know John is not going to register the deed with them. Buy back your property for $26.50 and hold on to the transactions and legal documents and keep them in a safe place. There will be nothing to lien at the county level because as far as the records show that property is not registered with them and county loses jurisdiction and therefore the IRS loses it as well.
loybost Posted - 23 Nov 2003 : 21:05:54
Common Law Contract for the Payment and Receipt of Any and All Federal Income Tax Debt Lawfully Owed By: John James: Doe, II

Debtor: John James: Doe, II

I, John James: Doe, II, a man and living soul, do hereby offer Lawful payment, under the Common Law, with the gold and/or silver Lawful United States coined currency specified below by the recipient named below for the alleged Federal Income Tax debt that the recipient alleges that I Lawfully owe.

Debtor’s Lawful Christian and family name and address of his dwelling home:

John James: Doe, II
4403 23rd Avenue Place South East
Freeville, North Carolina

Recipient:______________________:___________(complete proper spelling only, no initials)

I, _____________________:________________, a natural person, using my true and complete Lawful name in the instant case, do hereby swear under the penalty of perjury and under the punishment of the Common Law that:
1. I have personally determined that the debtor named above Lawfully owes the Federal Income Tax in the amount stated below.
2. Upon my receipt of Lawful payment of this debt no future action will be taken to collect said Federal Income Tax debt from the debtor.
3. The debtor named above owes _____________________________ dollars in Lawful money and must pay said amount to me in order to completely extinguish the Federal Income Tax debt, which I have determined that he Lawfully owes under the Common Law.
4. I am authorized by, ____________________________, to receive this debt from the debtor on, ___________________________, behalf.
5. I understand that I will be held personally liable under the Common Law for any damages to the debtor as the result any wrongful determination on my part of his Federal Income Tax debt.
6. The debtor must Lawfully pay this Federal Income Tax debt with (number and date of Lawful United States coined currency) __________________, __________________ twenty dollar gold pieces of Lawful United States coined currency and (number and date of Lawful United States coined currency) _____________, _____________ silver dollars of Lawful United States coined currency.
7. No Federal Reserve Notes or clad coinage is to be offered or accepted as payment for this or any alleged debt under the Common Law.
8. Failure to enter into this Common Law Contract or to make a counter Common Law offer of Contract within Thirty Days of the receipt of this Contract negates all present and future claims of a Federal Income Tax debt allegedly owed by the debtor.

Recipient’s complete Lawful Christian and family name and address of his/her dwelling home:

Address of dwelling home:

I, John James: Doe, II, a man and living soul, the alleged debtor in the instant case, aver and avow that upon completion and acceptance, by the recipient, of the Common Law Contract above that I will sign and accept this Common Law Contract and make immediate arrangements to pay the above stated amount in Lawful money to the recipient for the alleged Federal Income Tax debt that the recipient swears under penalty of perjury that I owe. I reserve my Right to seek restitution against the recipient under the Common Law for any damages that I may incur due to any un-Lawful determination by the recipient of this alleged Federal Income Tax debt.

The above statements are true to the best of my knowledge and good faith belief: yea. Pursuant to the Holy Bible at James: 5:12.

Signed, ____________________________, a man and living soul
On this _______________ Day of the __________________ Month of the ____________________ Year of our Lord

I, ___________________:____________, a natural person, the recipient in the instant case, aver and avow that upon completion and acceptance of the Common Law Contract above by myself and by the debtor that I will accept the Lawful money offered by the debtor, in the amount I have indicated above, as complete and total payment of any and all Federal Income Tax that I have personally determined that the debtor owes. I have been authorized by, _______________________, to accept payment for this debt under the Common Law. I personally accept all responsibility for any and all damages to the debtor that result from any false determination on my part as to the validity of the debt that I allege he owes.

I swear under penalty of perjury that all of the above is true to the best of my knowledge and good faith belief.

Signed, _____________________________, a natural person
On this _______________ Day of the __________________ Month of the ____________________ Year of our Lord

John James: Doe, II

John James: Doe, II
4430 23rd Avenue Place South West
Freeville, North Carolina state republic


Signed and Sealed:

Common Law Notice of Default of Acceptance in Affidavit Form

On this Twenty Fifth Day of the Eleventh Month of the Two Thousand and Third Year of our Lord, Jesus the Christ

Registered Mail #_____________________

To Respondent:

Attention: Ray F. Howard, District Director
Internal Revenue Service
320 Federal Place
Greensboro, NC 27401

1. I, John James: Doe, II, a Christian man and a living soul, the undersigned Affiant ("Affiant"), now exercise my Ministerial Right of Visitation and hereby give notice to Ray F. Howard, District Director, Internal Revenue Service, the above named "Respondent," of this Common Law Notice of Default of Acceptance in Affidavit Form, hereinafter called "Notice of Default," and declare and testify:

That Affiant is a Christian man and a living soul, and is competent to testify, and further;

That Affiant has first hand knowledge of the facts related herein, and further;

That the facts related herein are true, correct and complete to the best of the knowledge and belief of the Affiant, and further;

That the law and conclusions of law related herein are true to the best of the knowledge and belief of the Affiant.

2. I, John James: Doe, II, declare and testify:

Respondent is hereby noticed that Respondent is in default of an opportunity to respond, within a reasonable time, to the “Common Law Contract for the Payment and Receipt of Any and All Federal Income Tax Debt Lawfully Owed By: John James: Doe, II” and the attached Affidavit made by John James: Doe, II, Affiant, dated the Nineteenth Day of the Ninth Month of the Two Thousand and Third Year of Our Lord and delivered to Respondent, individually and as agent for Respondent's principal, the Internal Revenue Service, by the United States Postal Service, Registered Mail number _RB 366 126 726 US_.

3. I, John James: Doe, II, Affiant, declare and testify:

Respondent was given the opportunity to rebut the facts, statements, claims, laws and conclusions of law made in the Affidavit by delivering and recording a controverting affidavit; and by Respondent's failure to answer with said Controverting Affidavit, Respondent is therefore in default of said Affidavit. Further, the Respondent has refused to accept an offer of Lawful payment for any and all Federal Tax that the Affiant was accused of owing by the Respondent. Due to this refusal of Lawful payment, the respondent has forfeited all right of claim for receipt of payment of any and all Federal Income Tax by the Affiant; any presumed debt of the Affiant by the Respondent is thusly null and void ab initio.

4. I, John James: Doe, II, Affiant, declare and testify:

The said default shall be hereafter effective against Respondent since Respondent has refused Lawful payment of the alleged income tax debt from the Affiant and has waived the right to answer within a reasonable time with said Controverting Affidavit and, by acquiescence, tacit admission and failure to contest under the doctrine of "Estoppel by Acquiescence," Respondent has forfeited Respondent's due process opportunity to contest the truth of the facts, statements, claims, laws and conclusions of law made in said Affidavit and has consequently affirmed said facts, statements, claims, laws and conclusions of law.

5. I, John James: Doe, II, Affiant, declare and testify:

In absence of Respondent's response according to the foregoing, the undersigned Affiant, John James: Doe, II, hereby presents same by necessity under duress of force, hereby inserts and records this Notice of Default upon and against above named Respondent, Ray F. Howard, District Director, Internal Revenue Service; individually and as agent for the Internal Revenue Service.

6. I, John James: Doe, II, Affiant, declare and testify:

Now, therefore, the undersigned Affiant shall rely upon said acquiescence, tacit admission and failure of Respondent to accept Lawful payment and failure to contest any and all actions by the undersigned Affiant shall now be taken in accordance to the uncontested facts, statements, claims, laws and conclusions of Law set forth in the said Affidavit defaulted. This Notice of Default is not being made and presented to Respondent voluntarily, but is being submitted by Affiant involuntarily and by necessity, under coercion and duress, as further set forth in said Affidavit, and this act is not to be construed as compliance with any statute or treasury regulation.

7. I, John James: Doe, II, Affiant, declare and testify:

Notwithstanding any statement, reference or information set forth in this Notice, I, John James: Doe, II, Affiant, have no intention of hereby offering or ratifying any contract and hereby make no further offer or ratification of any contract, expressed or implied. With respect to this Notice, it is a Common Law Maxim that: "Notice to the agent is notice to the principal; notice to the principal is notice to the agent."

8. I, John James: Doe, II, Affiant, declare and testify:

Any response to this Notice of Default must be sent to John James: Doe, II at the above mailing location as set forth on page 15 of said Affidavit Statement within 10 days of receipt hereof.

The undersigned Affiant, John James: Doe, II, has personal knowledge of the above facts, is a Christian man and a living soul, competent to testify to the above facts, and I aver and avow that all of the above is true, correct, and complete to the best of my knowledge and good faith belief: Yea. Pursuant to the Holy Bible at James: 5:12.

Enclosures include Courtesy Copies of : “Affidavit”, “Common Law Contract for the Payment and Receipt of Any and All Federal Income Tax Debt Lawfully Owed By: John James: Doe, II” and Receipt for registered mail number – RB 366 126 716 US, accepted on September 22nd, 2003.

Signed, Sealed, and Delivered on this Twenty Fifth Day of the Eleventh Month of the Two Thousand and Third Year of Our Lord.

__________________________________, Sealed: ____________
John James: Doe, II, Affiant, through the Ministerial Right of Visitation

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