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BatKol
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 Posted - 14 Jan 2005 : 14:34:07
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Regards,
David Merrill[/quote]
The best indicator of the Jews and Judaism is their connection with the roots of the 2nd Temple cultists in Palestine. Here is one POV that has been making sense to me of late. Selected and financed by Persian King Cyrus, Ezra was commissioned to lead a group of Babylonian subjects to colonize Jerusalem under the pretense of 'rebuilding' the temple of their 'ancient ancestors'. This would be the plan of attack to establish rule over the original inhabitants (some of which were ancient solar cultists). Many scholars hypothesize that really what was happening was nothing more than the common deportation and replacing of populations exercised by Indo-European style-kingdoms. Cyrus most likely appointed Ezra to this well funded task and might have even formulated the religion that was to be instituted in that region. To be believable, it stand to reason that Cyrus or his scribes would have to incorporate elements of the inhabitants native religion as well as elements of the myths of the returning Babylonian Jews. I have always found it interesting the Tanakh calls Cyrus "Moshiach". Concerning Jerusalem, the Persians, just like the Romans, would displace populations and farm the tax collecting of the colonial subjects out to the selected ethnic area representatives. Ezra and his staff of Babylonians would be such reps to Jerusalem. The returning "Jews" of Babylon met with much resistance when trying to (re)establish Jerusalem. Among other things, Ezra and company would not let the natives help in building the Temple. Ezra came to Jerusalem with a newly discovered Law (Deut/Leviticus/Numbers?) complete with a divinely appointed priestly staff which would be supported by the subjects via tax and sacrifices. Ezra also came with massive STATE funding and authority on behalf of Cyrus so we can see that STATE interests must obviously be involved. As for the Jews being a race or a people, I think the Bible itself shows how this model works. A group of people gather together under a religious banner and breed amongst themselves (Egyptianish Israelites out of Egypt with a mixed multitude). What happens is a sub-race evolves as the religious Law demands marriage to only those observant of the faith. A good example of this type of mixture would be Judges 3:5-6 (and other places). The Israelites did not cease to exist after this large scale inter-marriage so it would logically follow that the offspring would qualify as being Israelite if fathered by an Israelite. Before WW I, Jews commonly referred to their particular blend of genetics as racial, especially when gloating. During and after WW II, for obvious reasons, they began to recognize themselves as a people and not a race (rightly IMO). Now even more so since genetics are able to chart out one’s DNA with amazing accuracy.
Hope you are well,
Steve
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David Merrill
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Posted - 14 Jan 2005 : 16:40:04
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Thank you Steve;
Very edifying.
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Ezra and his staff of Babylonians would be such reps to Jerusalem.
So the "good figs" were Cyrus' incursion forces to take over Jerusalem for Persia/Babylon? That seems a very good model. Very true they were met with Israelite resistance and I never thought through why? Since it fits the former scenario I projected, I feel this slant on the nature of the early Jews coming into the eretz builds understanding.
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Excerpt from endnotes The Other End of the World by Roger Rusk
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I have always found it interesting the Tanakh calls Cyrus "Moshiach".
This is impressive how much the Jews have revered the Messianic concept even from the very creation of the Jews. And thus how accurate Marcus Eli Ravage was in saying the new sect of Judaism, Christianity was simply Judaism formed around a particular figure Yehoshuah H'Natzrith. A little later Judaism revered Bar Chochba (125 AD) but that fizzled out like Christianity would have without the Resurrection/rebirth of pagan Asia Minor; had Jesus not survived the Crucifixion (one way or the other).
Public Law 102-14* was the Lubavicher Movement revering yet another messianic figure, Menachem Mendel Shneerson. I think he died in 1996 or so and stayed that way - long past the prescribed three days. So the Movement moves on looking for the next "Messiah".
Regards,
David Merrill.
* The Public Law reads as follows:
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Public Law 102-14 -
102d CONGRESS, 1st Session -
H. J. RES. 104 -
JOINT RESOLUTION
To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day , U.S.A. '.
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;
Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos;
Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;
Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;
Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world;
Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991;
Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, `the rebbe,' this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of `education and giving,' the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws; and
Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as `Education Day, U.S.A. '. The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.
Approved March 20, 1991. Signed by George Bush, President of the United States of America.
And through being involved with chilling the sale, I believe that Public Law 102-14 is what Sanhedrin clerk Rabbi Kuzriel Meir was referring to when he said:
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This Court, therefore, urges the Attorney General of the United States of America, Janet Reno, currently under the Political Leadership of President Bill Clinton to answer to the charge of failure to hear a grievance that is brought before its duly appointed Courts, and it has 90 working days in which to show cause as to why this case should not be heard before this Court and to submit documents showing that it has conformed with all treaties, conventions and wishes of the native peoples and with states accepted or annexed under the Constitutional principles and Noahide law, which was adopted as Law in the United States by Congress.
Not "were" so the Rabbi is speaking specifically about the Noachide Laws being adopted by Congress.
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BatKol
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Posted - 15 Jan 2005 : 08:55:11
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Originally posted by David Merrill
Thank you Steve;
Very edifying.
You said:
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Ezra and his staff of Babylonians would be such reps to Jerusalem.
So the "good figs" were Cyrus' incursion forces to take over Jerusalem for Persia/Babylon? That seems a very good model.
It depends on which way you look at it, I guess.
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Very true they were met with Israelite resistance and I never thought through why? Since it fits the former scenario I projected, I feel this slant on the nature of the early Jews coming into the eretz builds understanding.
The land-working locals who never did go into Babylon, if we believe the Bible story, got snubbed pretty hard upon Ezra's return. That this even appears in the Tanakh is a good indicator that the skirmishes were well known and had to be addressed and explained. Even from a Biblical POV, does it not seem ironic that those who did not go into the punishment of Babylonian bondage (read between the lines with me here)were refused in having a part in (re)building the Temple? Taking the Bible and the meaning of bondage as a model, it would seem that those who were 'left behind' were actually the faithfuls (aside from constant claims that they were engaging in abominations). Anyway, there exists the possibility that the religion and law Ezra brought to Jerusalem was not the original faith of the inhabitants, but rather one which was designed to be implemented as a tool for subjugation. Continuing on with this speculation, it makes sense that the new order being implemented would need to stamp out the pre-existing religious practices of the locals. Going with this line of thinking, one could easily make the connection that this method of religious syncretization is a good way to help defeat and maintain the locals of the area to be invaded. This could very well be the reason we see so many older Indo-European myths in the Tanakh. It also explains the reason why the Council of Nicea would incorporate many elements of paganism from Invictus Sol, Mithraism, etc and enforce the new STATE version via sword. As you already know the earliest believers were considered much like the Pharisees.
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I have always found it interesting the Tanakh calls Cyrus "Moshiach".
This is impressive how much the Jews have revered the Messianic concept even from the very creation of the Jews. And thus how accurate Marcus Eli Ravage was in saying the new sect of Judaism, Christianity was simply Judaism formed around a particular figure Yehoshuah H'Natzrith. A little later Judaism revered Bar Chochba (125 AD) but that fizzled out like Christianity would have without the Resurrection/rebirth of pagan Asia Minor; had Jesus not survived the Crucifixion (one way or the other).
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“The Nazarenes do not differ in any essential thing from them (Jewish Pharisees), since they practice the customs and doctrines prescribed by Jewish Law; except that they believe in Christ.”
[The Church Father Epiphanius (315-403 CE) writing in “Against Heresies,”]
I think it is important to see the divisions between two factions that developed within the Christian religion each stemming from the two gospels, the Gospel of the uncircumcision hosted by Paul which only required observance of Noachide like laws and the Torah observant Gospel of the circumcision which I believe is clearly pegged by Epiphanius. The Roman style Christianity, complete with the Pagan savior God-man and virgin myths, developed out of those who followed the Gospel of the uncircumcision and these non-Israelite 'gentiles' would later claim the Jamesian Nazarenes heretical. I see a connection between Ezra and his reforms and Constantine and his reforms. Each reform being issued consecutively from the second and forth kingdoms of bondage spoken of in Daniel. I am also not saying I have this all figured out so your mileage may vary on my speculations.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 15 Jan 2005 : 09:23:51
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Even from a Biblical POV, does it not seem ironic that those who did not go into the punishment of Babylonian bondage (read between the lines with me here) were refused in having a part in (re)building the Temple?
Now that makes sense. Why would the locals be against rebuilding the Temple? Especially all that foreign funding and labor? A new religion was being imported! These "good figs" were a foreign incursion. My first impulse is to pull my Kitzur Shulhan Arukh (Code of Jewish Law) and collate how well it agrees with the Bible. My impressions from memory say that it really is a religion built from Bible scriptures; however that tells me nothing of the religious practices prior to Nebuchadnezzar. The Bible itself tells about the practices of the Levites and outlines the civil structure. The Kitzur Shulhan Arukh builds a vast set of behavioral codes upon that premise. Maybe that was the complaint too. The cause of the segregation. The Newbies had to keep sanctified from the natives to implement such an extravagant infrastructure (Judaism); the hybridization of Israelite thought with Babylonian culture.
When you look at modern complaints of Christians about the Babylonian Talmud, that is actually the crux of the matter. The Babylonian culture crept in. The pagan concepts about sexual rites and soforth were adopted by the Israelite captives there in order to assimilate - and according to Jeremiah's prophecy - to settle in and syncrotize practices; get comfortable and be at peace with the captors.
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Taking the Bible and the meaning of bondage as a model, it would seem that those who were 'left behind' were actually the faithfuls (aside from constant claims that they were engaging in abominations).
The "faithfuls" wanting to protect the religion of the Israelites from the Jewish religious practices.
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I think it is important to see the divisions between two factions that developed within the Christian religion each stemming from the two gospels, the Gospel of the uncircumcision hosted by Paul which only required observance of Noachide like laws and the Torah observant Gospel of the circumcision which I believe is clearly pegged by Epiphanius. The Roman style Christianity, complete with the Pagan savior God-man and virgin myths, developed out of those who followed the Gospel of the uncircumcision and these non-Israelite 'gentiles' would later claim the Jamesian Nazarenes heretical. I see a connection between Ezra and his reforms and Constantine and his reforms. Each reform being issued consecutively from the second and forth [sic] kingdoms of bondage spoken of in Daniel.
That really cinches down my premise with the Marcus Eli Ravage articles. He is correct in the offensive truth that Christianity has been influenced by its creator Judaism, even played once Jews understood that fact. And I find it rather convincing, my secondary premise, that this understanding is important for religious Christians to become free from the shackles Christianity imposes - Romans 13, "give unto Caesar", the Temple Tax from a fish's mouth and perhaps the most important caveat emptor admonishment made by Paul himself:
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Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Like the 1040 Form, wherein one seals approval for the legal name in the signature to be the collection agent assigned for future claims by the Treasury upon the man or woman, Paul sealed the Christian fate to be included in the assets 26 USC §501(C)(3) during any foreclosure process. For the reader's sake Paul's religion should be tied into the context of this Topic. The really binding misdirection was Paul's playing on the Roman/Greco pagan gullibility in buying a supernatural Resurrection of Yehoshuah H'Natzrith surviving Crucifixion. And all the subsequent gibberish that follows discarding rules of evidence for Santy Clause fairy tales of the like.
Like Berkano saying:
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The First-Begotten Son of Yahweh was omniscient during his ministry with his twelve Ambassadors. Jesus the Christ comprehended all objects of knowledge without distortion. He could not have misjudged how ill his cousing Lazarus was because he knew beforehand that Lazarus was going to die. In fact, the Christ knew, when he was in Gallilee 2000 years ago, that David Merrill would post these comments to the Internet and that I would respond. He had the hairs of your head numbered, he had the hairs of my head numbered, and he knows every event and every thought, from now to eternity, down to the most minute and technical detail, and he comprehends all of this simultaneously, even all things are PRESENT with Him.
It seems so terribly unfair for Admin to hobble our squabbles. It does however keep the reading productive and edifying. But that is really the crux of the matter, like Bondservant pointed out. To make a proper claim to kingdom by right. Hebrews 11:1 explains the "hall of faith"; the stand-up men of the Holy Bible who were rewarded by the God of Abraham for believing on their hearts with no evidence. And I would never sell God short on the amount of grace He is capable of. But I think faithful Christians really need to examine the Messianic model, just like the Jews need to reevaluate Yehoshuah H'Natzrith is truly the Messiah of God.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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BatKol
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Posted - 16 Jan 2005 : 08:44:48
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David said: A new religion was being imported! These "good figs" were a foreign incursion. My first impulse is to pull my Kitzur Shulhan Arukh (Code of Jewish Law) and collate how well it agrees with the Bible.
Steve: A new religion indeed complete with their own “holy scriptures”…One thing to remember is Bibles such as the LXX were commissioned by "the powers that be" and were written with this in mind. Goy friendly. Of course there would be an oral tradition for the insiders. Check this out:
"The first mention of the (Alexandria) Library itself is found in a Jewish document of 180-145 B.C., The Letter of Aristeas , a propagandistic account of the translation of the Septuagint by the seventy-two rabbis into Greek. This translation was commissioned by the Museum's founder, Demetrius, under the patronage of Ptolemy I, Ptolemy Soter.... In the same century in which Berosus composed the ancient history of the Caldaeans, and Manetho that of the Egyptians, but about sixty years later, Demetrius, a Jewish Hellenist, compiled in a brief chronological form a history of Israel, his works being equally with theirs according to the sacred records..At the close the genealogy of the tribe of Levi is carried on to the birth of Moses and Aaron. Chronology is made a special sin. Nay, the whole is far more a settlement of chronology than a history properly so called. The date of every single circumstance in the life of Laban, e.g. the birth of each of his twelve sons and such matters, is precisely determined. Of course many dates have to be assumed for which Scripture offers no support. A large portion of the chronological statements is obtained by combinations, and in some instances very complicated combinations of actual dates of Holy Scripture. A second fragment (Euseb. Praep. evang. ix. 29. 1-3) from the history of Moses is chiefly occupied in proving, that Zipporah the wife of Moses was descended from Abraham and Keturah....The work used the Septuagint Greek translation, the first writing known to do so. Demetrius remains faithful to the Greek biblical text and has few midrashic embellishments."
So what we have here is the overseer of the LXX, a Jewish Hellenist named Demetrius, writing a book embellishing the ages of the patriarchs to make the math harmonize with the known history of that time.
Also giving the Jews a royal history and a charter from God himself. I think this is one of the main objectives of the LXX and other Biblical add-ons created during the 2nd Temple era Jews.
From my studies so far, I am of the opinion that much of the myths of the Bible which we see in older traditions were hammered out and finalized by the 70 Jewish scholars, building on scriptures from the Persian. I also am seriously pondering that the final redactors of the Tanakh were the Jews of the short-lived Maccabian kingdom. Having to submit for hundreds of years under Indo-European dictators, one could understand why they IE’s would be cast as enemies and forbidden peoples in the Bible.
Just some thoughts.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 16 Jan 2005 : 08:55:25
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Dear Steve;
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So what we have here is the overseer of the LXX, a Jewish Hellenist named Demetrius, writing a book embellishing the ages of the patriarchs to make the math harmonize with the known history of that time.
Wonderful! This would mean that King James would have only been parroting the codification. Maybe fine-tuning it with contemporary Freemasonry. It seems the mathematics of the Holy Bible is way beyond even Seventy-two top scholars though. At least when I see history repeating in cycles - even the Precedence (Celestial Wobble) of the North Star moves at 1 degree every 72 years. When I tweaked up the resonance of the Table of Relative Weights on the naturally ocurring isotopes, the new "Table" began and ended at 72 - Germanium.
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Yehoshuah H'Natzrith forwarned:
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Mark 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
Mr 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mr 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Parable is parabola to me. Encryption is derivative. Decryption is integration. Capital integration is being able to discern by faith and by evidence, the truth and crux of the matter. There were over 100 readers per day here until I revealed how lopsided this whole argument is, about arguing faith without evidence. So it may be happening right here on ecclesia.org, the paradigm shift - acquisition of the KEY to decipher the "math" you speak of; where more appropriate than here?
After all, like Source pointed out, the original religious practices of the Israelites may have been a bunch of delirium; hocus pocus caused by generations of narcotics (outlawed before 600 BC) in the Qetoret, the Temple Incense and perfumed anointing oils. Could the Jews have straightened that whole mess out? Could they have been commissioned by the Almighty to correct the record? Has not God always sent enemies to correct Israel?
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Templar Sword
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G.H. Teller’s sword at the Mason museum
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Washington’s letter
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Washington-Weishaupt Image Link
This fully supports my assertion against all the paranoia. George Washington, I have heard, had the Bible he swore his oath upon opened to Genesis 49:(verse 10?). He was undoubtedly a Freemason and possibly even Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Bavarian Seers (assuming rumors about "George Washington" returning from an early Revolutionary battle with through-and-through tears in his uniform to be true. See the distinctly two different Washingtons on display at the Masonic Museum in Colorado Springs). These Crown Templars, the Priory of Sion (Knights Templar are the militant arm of the Priory. They have acquired so much control, their swords gather dust on display), are the custodians under the banner JUDAH appointed to position of Trustee. When the Trustee is no longer trustworthy, is he still Trustee? Of course not.*
Consider another Trustee, in orange coveralls - identical in nature to a Trustee of the public trust (Constitution Article VI). The moment a guard gets suspicious he may bolt he is back on the bus watching the others pick up highway garbage and back to the Ward for him!
Regards,
David Merrill.
* If the Trustee ever makes the overt assertion he owns the assets on Schedule A of the Trust, that is self-executing formation of an alter ego and disrupts the Trust at its foundation and inception. |
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Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
Because we also have other responsibilities to attend to, we have not heretofore responded in any detail concerning our understanding of what the definitions of the term Jew(s) are.
In light of the fact that the discussion of this topic is moving along without that input, we intend at this juncture to submit some general comments.
As we can allocate time to the task, our intentions are to edit and update this post. We also intend to, in time, support what we have submitted with bibliographical links.
Some of the comments that have been made on posts to this topic that are germane to this discussion include:quote:
Batkol wrote:
…..2) that Jews who read the Talmud are not the true Jews.
Not necessarily. I was speculating on maybe and perhaps. The Jews who read the talmud today are most likely descended from the Jews who sat on Moses' seat and followed the tradition of the elders back in the time of Christ……
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But as I was finishing my argument last Page, I grew uncomfortable that we are back in the same rut even the Jews cannot break free. Defining "Jew".
Is it a race?
Is it a religion?
Is it a creed?.....
…..It is important.
I have become convinced that nobody can definitely answer the questions.
Thus I believe the definition cannot be concluded for "Jew". But let's hear what you have.
Your research and comments are welcome Marty.
Regards,
David Merrill.
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
In our opinion, one of the characteristics of the English language is that many words are words that have diverse definitions.
Examples of this are:
The word bark... it can mean:
....... a.) The sound that a dog makes
....... b.) The outer covering of a tree
....... c.) A sailing vessel of small size
The word bill... It can mean:
....... a.) The name of a man (e.g. Bill Clinton)
....... b.) A part of the anatomy of a duck
....... c.) statement received monthly (e.g. telephone bill)
....... d.) bill of exchange
....... e.) what a senator introduces on the Senate floor
....... f.) a $5.00 Federal Reserve Note (i.e. a five dollar bill)
....... g.) a medieval shafted weapon with a broad hook-shaped blade
....... h.) a piece of paper to advertise an auction sale (i.e. flyer)
....... i.) The front portion of a cap a man wears on his head
The word Jew(s)
....... a.) Jew(s) were people that lived in the geographical area of the land of Canaan (Old Palestine) that came to be known as Yahdah or Judea.
At one time in history, the people who occupied Yahdah(Judea) were predominantly flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Yaaqob(Jacob)/Israyl.
When these Yahdaim/Judeans were carried away in the Babylonian captivity, then the people called Yahdaim/Judeans/Judahites/Jews that occupied this area were predominantly people who were not flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Israyl. Many of them were flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Esau.
For future reference in this discussion we will refer to these geographical Jews as the blue Jews.
....... b.) The purple definition of Jew(s) refers to people who were and are the literal flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Yaaqob(Jacob)/Israyl.
They were and are the lineal descendants of Yahdah(Judah), the fourth son of Yaaqob/Israyl and Leah.
They were called Yahdaim, translated "Judahite", which much later came to be translated as "Jew(s)".
In a hypothetical scenerio where the cousins were visiting with each other, a descendant of Judah's brother Levi might say "I am a Levite", and a descendant of his oldest brother might say "I am a Ruebenite. Accordingly, a cousin in that gathering that was a descendant of the brother named Judah would say "I am a Judahite".
These people came to be known as Judahites which sometime later began to be translated as Jews.
These people are a subset of the larger race of Israylites.
Hereinafter we shall, for discussion purposes, to distinguish them from other Jews, refer to these Jews as the purple Jews.
....... c.)The teal definition of Jew(s) refers to those people who were, generally speaking, of the 2 1/2 tribes comprising the House of Yahdah(Judah) after the split between the House of Israyl and the House of Judah occurred during the reign of Rehoboam (son of Solomon).
These people were predominantly all of the two tribes of Judah and Benyamin and most of the tribe of Levi.
These people were and are a subset of the larger Israylite race.
For the sake of this dicussion we wil hereinafter refer to these Jews as the teal Jews.
....... d.) The orange definition of Jew(s) is used by us to refer to those people who performed the customs and rituals of the Mosaic Law Covenant as it was performed by these people during and after the Babylonian exile.
The performance of these customs and rituals evolved in time into a religion or creed call Judaism which was and is a perversion of the pure Mosaic Law Covenant.
A small minority of the people who practice this religion or creed today may be racially Israylites, but by and large those who practice Judaism in the world today are not flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Yaaqob(Jacob)/Israyl and therefore are not in our opinion true Israylites.
For purposes of this discussion we will hereinafter refer to these who are called Jews, because of the religion or creed they have aligned themselves with, as the orange Jews.
....... e.) The red definition of Jew(s) refers to those beings called Jew(s) who have engaged in an activity known commonly today as "identity theft".
They have historically used their dominance and influence in banking(usury), politics(government), media (news and "entertainment"), "education" (schools at all levels) and religion (their minions are in the 501(C)(3)Judeo/Christian church assemblies) to finance and perpetuate a massive public relations campaign in which they masquerade as Israylites.
These highly intelligent beings have been able to deceive, plunder and demoralize the true flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Yaaqob(Jacob)/Israyl and at the same time get their victims to finance the victim's own destruction.
He who has eyes to see, let him see.
Many of these Jews are the Jews called Khazars and Ashkenazic.
It is our understanding that the Khazaric Jews who often accuse those who resist the red Jews of being anti-semitic are the true Anti-Semites. This appears to be a fact because Semitic has to do with being a descendant of Noah's son Shem. The Khazars are not descendants of Shem and therefore are not Semitic.
For purposes of this discussion we will refer to these Jews as the red Jews.
We will elaborate more on this soon, if Yahweh is willing.
Best Regards,
Marty
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David Merrill
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Posted - 16 Jan 2005 : 13:21:06
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I am finding discussion about Jews is giving me a much clearer understanding. I hope a correct understanding.
I believe that the biblical definition is much like the timeline from Rusk's book that I keep spouting by link. Rusk quotes Dr. Grattam Guinness as saying something like, "If one does not understand the difference between Israel and the Jews, he is still in his prophetic infancy". So maybe it is not impossible to define the Jew but I will be surprised if we can agree on a definition that functions within the scope of Ravage's and Rosenthal's inflammatory comments.
We seem to be moving toward that precedent - agreeing on a definition for "Jew".
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 16 Jan 2005 : 16:33:44
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David Merrill posted this quote:
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Rusk quotes Dr. Grattam Guinness as saying something like, "If one does not understand the difference between Israel and the Jews, he is still in his prophetic infancy".
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
We very much agree with what Dr. Guinness has stated in the quote above.
Further, we know that we did not properly understand the Old Scriptures or the New Scriptures to the extent that we now do, until we understood the truth concerning who is true Israyl and who is not true Israyl.
It is the key that unlocks the Scriptures.
Best Regards,
Marty |
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BatKol
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Originally posted by David Merrill
I am finding discussion about Jews is giving me a much clearer understanding. I hope a correct understanding.
I believe that the biblical definition is much like the timeline from Rusk's book that I keep spouting by link. Rusk quotes Dr. Grattam Guinness as saying something like, "If one does not understand the difference between Israel and the Jews, he is still in his prophetic infancy". So maybe it is not impossible to define the Jew but I will be surprised if we can agree on a definition that functions within the scope of Ravage's and Rosenthal's inflammatory comments.
We seem to be moving toward that precedent - agreeing on a definition for "Jew".
Regards,
David Merrill.
I might also add that the argument that Judean means something other than 2nd Temple Jew best known to us from the NT does not follow historically. Throughout the Mediterranean the term Jew was always synonymous with those who followed the Biblical laws and observed religious feasts based around the Temple cult. Much is written about these Jews and it always points back to the Temple cult and their religious laws. Jews in Rome were sometimes allowed to forego bowing down to the Caesars, and at other times persecuted for their refusal. The Shabbat and specific food laws in the Bible were commented on by writers of that period. They were always referred to as 'jews', using either Greek or Latin equivalents, and in particular in Greek, with 'iudoias'. The word 'jew' derives from the french, which comes from the Latin which in turn derives from the Greek, 'iudoian', all referring to both an ethinic group, and at the time, a people of a place. The same jews were deprived of their franchise sub-government after a series revolts, most notably in 70 CE, but also in 120's CE when Romans eliminated the concept of a 'jewish state' altogether. So connecting 'the Jews' to the 2nd Temple group which came from Babylon during Ezra’s time is well established.
Best,
Steve
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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 17 Jan 2005 : 07:42:43
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Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
We have edited in some revisions and five definitions for the word Jew(s) in our 1/16/2005 1:12:03 PM post in page six above.
In our opinion it is necessary, for proper interpretation and understanding, to look closely at the context and see which of the five definitions apply, each time you see or hear the word "Jew(s)" used.
If you care to, please review the definitions. We welcome your comments. Perhaps you can help us to refine the definitions so that they will be more precise if necessary.
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BatKol
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Posted - 17 Jan 2005 : 08:28:32
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Marty,
Thanks for the Jew definitions. The crux of the problem, if we are going to make this a "flesh and blood Israelite" issue, is the Law of Moses affords non-Israelites to join in the peoplehood in various ways. Example I have not yet posted: Females did not share the same standing as males and an Israelite man, during war, could take wives from the enemy peoples, as long as her fingernails were pulled out along with some other stipulations.
Deu 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
Deu 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
Deu 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
Deu 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
Deu 21:14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.
Here is an example where this law was put into use:
Jdg 5:30 Have they not sped? have they [not] divided the prey; to every man a damsel [or] two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, [meet] for the necks of [them that take] the spoil?
The understanding of genetics back in 600 BCE was not the same as we have today. I can provide other examples where non-Israelites have mixed into the peoplehood but I think you get the picture.
What the Torah calls for primarily is religious purity and here is where one needs to examine the context of "Jew". To be a flesh and blood Israelite, according to the Torah, one must be born of an Israelite father. The mother can be one taken from war booty, from a conversion, etc. Trying to argue racial purity for the Israelites is very sticky given the evidence in the Bible. The best indicator of the racial make-up of the Israelites is in the list of inter-marriage found in Judges 3:5-6.
Jdg 3:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
Jdg 3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.
Add that with Deut 21:10-14 and you will see that the writers of the Bible are telling us something about their genetics.
Peace,
Steve
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David Merrill
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Posted - 17 Jan 2005 : 08:36:34
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Thank you, Marty;
By admission of both Rosenthal and Ravage, we are speaking almost exclusively about the "red" Jew on this Topic. But I suggest that we briefly discuss the breakdown and five definitions and memorize them for future discussion. Furthermore I hope we can do that on a New Topic.quote:
The red definition of Jew(s) refers to those beings called Jew(s) who have engaged in an activity known commonly today as "identity theft".
They have historically used their dominance and influence in banking(usury), politics(government), media (news and "entertainment"), "education" (schools at all levels) and religion (their minions are in the 501(C)(3)Judeo/Christian church assemblies) to finance and perpetuate a massive public relations campaign in which they masquerade as Israylites.
These highly intelligent beings have been able to deceive, plunder and demoralize the true flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Yaaqob(Jacob)/Israyl and at the same time get their victims to finance the victim's own destruction.
He who has eyes to see, let him see.
Many of these Jews are the Jews called Khazars and Ashkenazic.
It is our understanding that the Khazaric Jews who often accuse those who resist the red Jews of being anti-semitic are the true Anti-Semites. This appears to be a fact because Semitic has to do with being a descendant of Noah's son Shem. The Khazars are not descendants of Shem and therefore are not Semitic.
For purposes of this discussion we will refer to these Jews as the red Jews.
Perhaps what rubs people the wrong way is that I consider the "red" Jews (appropriate being Edom/Esau is ruddy, red. Rothschild is Red Shield; Roosevelt is Rosy Vest) commissioned to operate under the banner of "Yehudah" and to have been by and large responsible custodians of the Scepter and original estate. This has of course been through international banking. Literally a "Franchise" in the Frank Kings' sense of usage - the Bloodline of Jesus Christ:
Mogen David "Star of David" placards:
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/MogenDavidDefinition.jpg
Mogen David Graphic Link
["More I cannot tell you." Masonic code for 'esoteric' knowledge.]
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/DavidStar.jpg
Star of David placard
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Dan.jpg
Dan placard
placard of eagle/snake
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/fleur-de-lis.jpg
Fleur-de-lis placard
French lily flower decal – seed of Jesus Christ
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Brittania.jpg
Britannia placard
Daniel’s symbols around the fleur-de-lis - the Lion is Judah
After several centuries of this prestige, modern day banking motivation is to keep the assets under strict control; under the penumbra of Risk Management. Therefore I recognize the conveyance of the original estate through claims made by heirs apparent must be orchestrated carefully through release valve systems [countermeasures to self-executing destructive behavior, when the bankers lay claim to the assets openly, reforming the public trust into an alter ego]. Understand the essence of sunsetting the Bretton Woods Agreements over a period of three years:
www.ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/Statement5.gif
Verified Statement of Right Page 5
www.ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/1-HR3812.jpg
HR 3812 Page 1
www.ecclesia.org/forum/images/suitors/2-HR3812.jpg
HR 3812 Page 2
If we are going to make claim to kingdom property, which we do not own anyway, we will be required to arise to a position of higher moral authority than the current custodians - to supplant the current Trustee we must be proven more trustworty. According to your definition of red Jew, that would be cake. However, it simply cannot happen by tearing down the current Trustee. Let the current Trustee's actions and testimony take care of that, Marty. Undergird ourselves and each other with love and family-like values of piety.
I would revise the definition of red Jew taking this into perspective. I think you should dull the acuteness of the accusation in light of Genesis 49:10 and the Book of Obediah - judgment against Edom. Allow the Judgment Seat exclusively to God but make your petition for your property rights clear.
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_AreYouLostAtSea.pdf
http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Diagram1.jpg
or try the root directory:
http://friends-n-family-research.info/Merrill_AreYouLostAtSea.pdf
http://friends-n-family-research.info/Merrill_Diagram1.jpg
After examination of Diagram 1 from the book International Law - Admiralty/Maritime Process - Are You Lost at "C"(?) you should be able to discern that loss of property is due to lack of diligence on the part of the "victim". Paranoia reinforces conditioned responses of fear and tunnelvision. So that when one opens the 90 Day Letter from the Treasury, all one sees is the offer of Tax Court as a remedy. One is conditioned to leave the admiralty to ships at sea - not to consider admiralty the proper forum for revenue causes. I hope to have the Word file, the entire book linked here soon. The main reason Ronald Dean's Verified Statement of Right was so effective is that the USA was moving obviously in admiralty:
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Miscellaneous Receipt Warrant “FILED UNDER SEAL” Page 1
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Warrant “FILED UNDER SEAL” Page 2
Whether you revise "red Jew" or not, I hope you will open a New Topic with a duplicate of your Post. Hopefully others agree that the "red Jew" is within the scope of this Topic. Hashing out an overall definition, albeit that may well be five definitions, is worthy of a New Topic.
Regards,
David Merrill.
P.S. Steve said:quote:
What the Torah calls for primarily is religious purity and here is where one needs to examine the context of "Jew".
Agreed. When you strip away all the clutter and bazaar doctrine around Genesis 6, when you rip out all the fairy tale imagery of Watchers and Giants, even angels falling from heaven (Book of Enoch), you are left with the faithful Sons of Seth lusting after the Daughters of Cain. These peoples likely had very little genetic difference. Their difference that was significant enough for broadswipe death by Deluge was their distinctly different attitudes toward God - religious differences if you will. |
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Posted - 17 Jan 2005 : 15:20:05
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quote:
David Merrill wrote:
Thank you, Marty;
By admission of both Rosenthal and Ravage, we are speaking almost exclusively about the "red" Jew on this Topic……….
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
We agree with you that Rosenthal was a red Jew and Ravage is most likely a red Jew. In our opinion Rosenthal effectively confirms that concerning himself in the exerpt from The Rosenthal Document quoted later in the body of this post.quote:
Originally posted by Cornerstone Foundation on page 6 above....
The red definition of Jew(s) refers to those beings called Jew(s) who have engaged in an activity known commonly today as "identity theft".
They have historically used their dominance and influence in banking(usury), politics(government), media (news and "entertainment"), "education" (schools at all levels) and religion (their minions are in the 501(C)(3)Judeo/Christian church assemblies) to finance and perpetuate a massive public relations campaign in which they masquerade as Israylites.
These highly intelligent beings have been able to deceive, plunder and demoralize the true flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Yaaqob(Jacob)/Israyl and at the same time get their victims to finance the victim's own destruction.
He who has eyes to see, let him see.
Many of these Jews are the Jews called Khazars and Ashkenazic.
It is our understanding that the Khazaric Jews who often accuse those who resist the red Jews of being anti-semitic are the true Anti-Semites. This appears to be a fact because Semitic has to do with being a descendant of Noah's son Shem. The Khazars are not descendants of Shem and therefore are not Semitic.
For purposes of this discussion we will refer to these Jews as the red Jews.
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David Merrill wrote:
Perhaps what rubs people the wrong way is that I consider the "red" Jews (appropriate being Edom/Esau is ruddy, red. Rothschild is Red Shield; Roosevelt is Rosy Vest) commissioned to operate under the banner of "Yehudah" and to have been by and large responsible custodians of the Scepter and original estate…..
Cornerstone Foundation wrote:
We think the key words that perhaps reveal the truth of the matter in your statement above are “operate under the banner of Yehudah”.
It is our perception that the men you mention are not in fact genetic purebred descendants of Yahdah(Judah) the fourth son of Israyl and Leah.
They have cunningly devised a plan usurp the place of Yahdah. They have been partially but not totally successful in this plan.quote:
Mr. Comparet has written:
“Evil never makes headway when it sails under its true colors”. (Pg. 300)
Realizing this our adversaries have endeavored to appear as someone they are not, that is “they are not sailing under their true colors.
There is a book available which was compiled by Charles A. Weisman in 1992, entitled THE HIDDEN TYRANNY, THE ISSUE THAT DWARFS ALL OTHER ISSUES. The book cover also displays the following words: ‘This is the Most Sensational Manuscript of Its Kind. Also known as: “The Rosenthal Document”.
The introduction to the book begins with these words:quote:
From the Introduction to The Hidden Tyranny…
This booklet contains the text of a most revealing and shocking interview of a Jew by the name of Harold Rosenthal, which was conducted in 1976, by a concerned patriot, a Walter White, Jr. Mr. Rosenthal, an influential Jew learned in the Jewish ways and involved in the workings of government in Washington, D.C., explained the Jewish involvement and cause of the major problems we face today.
We contacted Charles Weisman concerning the availability of that book. He indicated that the cost of the book is $4.00. It can be obtained by writing to Weisman Publications, P.O. Box 240844, Apple Valley, Minnesota [55124]. Information on related publications is available at www.seek-info.com.
The same Rosenthal Document has been quoted from at considerable length by David Merrill earlier in this topic. David prefaced the quote from the Rosenthal Document with the following statement:quote:
statement posted by David Merrill on page 2 of this topic in his 1/5/2005 9:38:51 AM post:
Another thing to always remember when reading about Christians and Jews is the historical truth about the Khazarian/Ashkenazim. These people are not Semitic. Therefore it is linguistically incorrect to use the term "antisemitic" in reference to 95% of today's Jewry. Read Genesis 10:1-3. Today's Jews are Japhethic, not Semitic.
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Quote from “The Rosenthal Document” previously posted by David Merrill on page 2 in this topic….
W: According to the latest scholarly research, your ancestors are not Israelites but Mongolians and Asiatics from Eastern Europe and Western Asia, so your ancestors were thousands of miles from the Holy Land. They never, ever saw the Holy Land - proving that your people were not the chosen people of God.
R: So what? What difference does it make?
W: We have been taught the big lie for many years that Jews are God's Chosen people, so it does make a difference. A very grave difference.
R: What grave difference?
W: Does it not prove that the great majority of Jews today are Khazar in origin. Your ancestors never trod the lands where Christ walked. They never knew Jerusalem and Palestine, so how could . . . (Mr. R. interrupted)
R: (shouting) What the hell difference does it make now?
W: I find so many things that you have said as being repulsive and your arrogant manner in boasting, as it were, to admittedly being a part of this gigantic . . . this heinous plot against mankind - and at times, you attempt to brush things off by saying 'what difference does it make'. So much of what you have admitted staggers me, in fact, I lack the words . . .(Mr. R. interrupts here).
R: That's because you're a gentile. You don't understand. You never will! Until it's too late and my hope, personally, is that the American people do not . . . (Mr. R. paused here).
W: There is so much of what you have said, that as an individual, people may not believe you - they may not believe this interview . . .(Mr. R. interrupts).
R: That is why we have the control today. One of the biggest reasons. Your people did not believe that it was possible for any people or race to accomplish what we have within a couple of hundred years. The gentile is stupid. WE are intelligent. I am going to be a very important person in and around Washington and soon. I intend to become nationally prominent. You are going to hear and read about me in the future. I'm young and have had the guts to tell you more than any other Jew would ever dare to tell you - at least publicly. I've stuck my neck out White. Some of what I have told you is part of the inner, inner invisible world of Jewry.
Based on our research we currently agree with David’s statements in the quote from David Merrill given above, i. e. that “Todays Jews(i.e. red Jews) are generally not Semitic.
Possible specific exceptions are those that have intermarried with the Esau/Edomites. Esau/Edomites are not Israylites, but they are Semitic.
Another possible exception we can see is the Jews at lower levels in the hierarchy that may indeed be Jews of the true flesh and blood line of Yahdah(Judah) or Jews of the true flesh and blood lines of Yahdah(Judah), Benyamin, and the Levites that served those two tribes.
The last time we checked with Charles Weisman he indicated to us that he does not agree with us that it is possible that there are any of the two categories represented by the purple definition and the teal definition of Jew left in the land of Old Palestine at this time.
Our position is that, unless there is or will be, some particular prophecies in Scripture which concern “the remnant of Yahdah(Judah) could not be fulfilled.
Maybe some of you reading this can help us to see where these pieces fit in the overall “puzzle” .
Any help in that regard will be greatly appreciated.
Respectfully submitted,
Marty
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David Merrill
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Posted - 17 Jan 2005 : 15:53:16
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Wonderful!
You said:quote:
Mr. Comparet has written:
“Evil never makes headway when it sails under its true colors”. (Pg. 300)
And this really hits the heart of our difference in perspective about the Red Jews. You see them as devious usurpers and I see them as commissioned embassaries in a bigger design. You view them as evil, maybe even Satanic, while I see God sends correction in the typical form of "enemy of Israel".
My point being expressed in Comparet's own testimony:quote:
Who is Satan? The word Satan is not the name of any person, but a mere title, meaning the opponent. He is sometimes called Lucifer, but this also is only a title, meaning the shining one, or perhaps the light bearer. To teach whom the person is carrying these titles; we must turn to the book of Enoch, as I have said.
Read the article and search for context with "Azazel" (Ctrl-F) on Page 2 of this Topic. Comparet writes from the typical Christian point of view that Satan is a person. This belief typically extends to a Christian teaching found nowhere explicit in the Holy Bible that a third of the angels fell from heaven (Book of Enoch). I have seen it go to an extreme where Genesis 6:1-8 is taught to describe angels and human women copulating and producing "Watchmen" or "Giants" - the nephalim (literally translating much better to bullies than raphaim, Giants).
And you are completely entitled to your perspective about the Khazarian/Ashkenazim. What I have been saying since the Topic leading up to this one [about "Chistian authority" being an illusion since March 18, 1997] is that the perception is incorrect. Albeit very common, even so that court clerks misinterprete plain English in Rule C(3)(a)(ii)(B) and fail to honor the common law of antiquity and execute arrests against these "usurpers" should they actually step out of line. In other words, the victims victimizing themselves you referred to in the definition, are being played on their own ignorance. The court clerks are ignorant of their own authority and play into it too. But that will only last as long as the commissioned correction is in place. It may be quite true, the "Jewish Question" that Adolph Hitler imminentized for solution. But that is another extreme. The discussion of White Races surfaced:
www.aish.com/holocaust/issues/Pharaoh_and_the_Final_Solution.asp
David could have killed Saul twice at least and killed the messenger who finally reported helping Saul commit suicide. Why? Because Saul was the Lord's. So too are the Red Jews. When we are ready, when the correction has set, then these Red Jews will be removed from the seat of authority. But not until we are ready to sit responsibly in that place.
Regards,
David Merrill.
P.S. You said:quote:
The last time we checked with Charles Weisman he indicated to us that he does not agree with us that it is possible that there are any of the two categories represented by the teal definition and the orange definition of Jew left in the land of Old Palestine at this time.
I think that Weisman is right so far as there are not authentic bloodlines to prove any such claims. The Book of Nehemiah indicates that authentication is important. |
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Cornerstone Foundation
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Posted - 17 Jan 2005 : 16:30:19
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Originally posted by David Merrill
Wonderful!
You said:quote:
Mr. Comparet has written:
“Evil never makes headway when it sails under its true colors”. (Pg. 300)
And this really hits the heart of our difference in perspective about the Red Jews. You see them as devious usurpers and I see them as commissioned embassaries in a bigger design. You view them as evil, maybe even Satanic, while I see God sends correction in the typical form of "enemy of Israel".
David could have killed Saul twice at least and killed the messenger who finally reported helping Saul commit suicide. Why? Because Saul was the Lord's. So too are the Red Jews. When we are ready, when the correction has set, then these Red Jews will be removed from the seat of authority. But not until we are ready to sit responsibly in that place.
Regards,
David Merrill.
Cornerstonestone Foundation wrote: We agree with your point given in the quote above, with this exception.
We also agree with the point we made about the red Jews being devious usurpers. In our opinion the two points are not mutually exclusive....Yahweh made certain "dogs" with the instinct to kill "sheep". He has and is now using our enemies to punish us. Our enemies do this by deviously usurping what would potentially be ours if we were obeying Yahweh's Law and experiencing the blessings enumerated at Dueteronomy 28 rather than being punished with the litany of curses stated in Dueteronomy 28. We agree that this will continue until we become obedient and cry out to Yahweh. There is a solution to our problem.
The example concerning the clerk of court does illustrate the problem.
Best Regards,
Marty
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BatKol
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 10:12:13
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So too are the Red Jews. When we are ready, when the correction has set, then these Red Jews will be removed from the seat of authority. But not until we are ready to sit responsibly in that place.
What is interesting is 'the Jews' (which ever color code one chooses)
have worked consistently in making in-roads to destroy the 4th Kingdom. They have helped introduce laws, policies, etc. which will ultimately end in the destruction of the last kingdom of bondage. This ties in with the race issue in that Aryan civilazations have been the enslavers of the darker races since we came south from Europe.
Rig Veda, 1, 130, 8. "Indra alone hath tamed the dusky races. And subdued them for the Aryans".
History will show that if one lines up the curses in Deut 28, the darker races have been under the punishments, not the Caucasians. This lines up perfectly with the Bible, who's authors well understood what it is like to be subjected as slaves to Indo-European Kingdoms. The darker races have most definitely been the tail with the Aryan racial type as the head for thousands of years just like the Bible predicts (or rather observed by their authors at a late date, then writing retroactively to appear as prophecy, as it has been argued by some..) . The biggest error in the Anglo-Israel theory is ignoring the curses put upon Israel during their expulsion from the promised land as well as identifying the kingdoms of bondage. The blessings that are prescribed to the tribes of Israel will come after exile is over, not during their punishment. All of this gives a new perspective on why replacement theology was created and promoted by the 4th Kingdom Roman Church.. Amazing what an effect the article posted at the top of this thread has had on recognizing the efforts of ‘the Jews’ in destroying these Indo-European ‘kingdoms of bondage’ outlined in the book of Daniel. One of the biggest factors in this effort of the Jews, as Savage clearly shows, has been to destroy the Aryan religions and replace it with their own 'goy-friendly' version of their tribal religion.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 10:40:03
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But I do not think any Jew, no matter how inset into international banking or whatever has ever considered himself more than a responsible custodian. One of God's Chosen to carry the Scepter. For instance George Washington (whether Adam Weishaupt or not) swearing (allegedly) on Genesis Chapter 49. And all the subsequent Masonic and Egyptian symbology throughout Washington DC.
So your Aryan Race theories certainly fit well. What I constantly try to dispel is the idea there is a conspiracy more than these custodians are appearing to 'own' the original estate in order to protect it as Trustees should. Risk management. My objective is caused by perceiving these custodians as evildoers causes false accusations and that defeats the cause of claiming by right as heirs apparent in the timing of the kingdom.
About suffering your speculations. I think you have brought to light the real meaning of this Topic, once again.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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BatKol
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 18:13:16
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Thanks for the encouraging words David. Of course, there is an Aryan perspective which does not appreciate being targeted for destruction. While reading into "their side of the story" I came across an amazing essay which is the best I have read thus far concerning the Bible and it's hermetic coding. I highly recommend reading the complete essay even if one does not care for the Wotanist overview (remember the "Wotans" from the movie King Arthur?)..
http://pyramidprophecy.net/Mystery1.htm
Here are some snips from the first page before getting into the serious numerics.
"The bible is in fact a huge Hermetic parable from end to end, and attempts to read it literally will only drive men insane or lead to division into hundreds or even thousands of competing sects, and ultimately religious warfare.......Somewhere around BCE 400-500 in old Babylon a renegade and unprincipled group of initiates into the secrets of the ancients hatched up a conspiracy to rule the world using the Hermetic wisdom, usury and the basest instincts of man. The Jews, however, were not the originators of the mythologies of either the Old or New Testaments......"
The essay goes on to explore the amazing numerics involved in the Bible stories and especially the mythical Temple of Solomon. An exciting read.
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Posted - 19 Jan 2005 : 19:53:23
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So what does it matter if the "Banking-Commerce-Politico Powers That Be" are Jews, Red Jews, Jacobites, Aryans, Bush-ites, Reagon-ites, Putin-ites, or whatever-ites?
The reality premise is that the PTB are in control of the world financial-enforcement system and we must know their (mostly hidden) "rules" in order to effectively remove ourselves from their falsified "justice" (which is the same lie and falsified commercial system Jesus the Nazarene said we must 'come out' from - removing ourselves from their world of divisible corruption a/k/a "Babylon").
Lest we keep being sidetracked, the subject of this thread is "War by Propaganda"... |
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