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Oneisraelite
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 Posted - 02 Mar 2005 : 09:03:56
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oneisraelite:
<quote>Brothers and sisters, does the modern day “Christian religion” teach us about civil death? Do they teach us how to enter the Kingdom of heaven without seeing physical death? <end quote>
David Merrill:
<quote>That the rhetorical answer, established by the parataxis of the first question, is "no". And since you said it, I presumed it to be your point of view, at least for argument's sake.<end quote>
RHETOR'ICAL, a.
1. Pertaining to rhetoric; as the rhetorical art.
2. Containing the rules of rhetoric; as a rhetorical treatise.
3. Oratorial; as a rhetorical flourish.
RHET'ORIC, n. [Gr. from to speak, to flow. Eng. to read. The primary sense is to drive or send. See Read.]
1. The art of speaking with propriety, elegance and force.
2. The power of persuasion or attraction; that which allures or charms.
parataxis n. the placing of related clauses, phrases, etc. in a series without the use of connecting words (Ex.: "I came, I saw, I conquered")
Where is the rhetoric in those questions and there is no parataxis in the above questions?
Here is the definition of rhetoric in the negative sense: "artificial eloquence; language that is showy and elaborate but largely empty of clear ideas or sincere emotion."
Let me give an example of rhetoric, as used in the negative sense, unfortunately it is also an incomplete sentence.
"That the rhetorical answer, established by the parataxis of the first question, is 'no'".
David Merrill:
<quote>That is where I felt you were saying the Christian religion awaits physical death and therefore abundant life in an afterlife heaven - our inheritance. Granted, it seemed quite contrary to your general stance on things.<end quote>
"...all who know me, and any and all who have seen my posts here, should know that that is the furthest thing from the truth of the matter."
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 02 Mar 2005 20:36:05 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 02 Mar 2005 : 09:08:06
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| So all seriousness aside, may we expect an explanation or more distractions? |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 02 Mar 2005 : 10:24:53
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I don't know the Pope.
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And I suppose, were it not an "illusory delusion", and that one, in truth, owned everything I see, it would be no contest whatosever for that man or woman to deliver to my brother's doorstep, and into his possession, the Rolls-Royce Centenary Phantom I have been looking at, now would it? I challenge anyone who makes the above claim to do just that! Yahuwah [the LORD] willing, I will notify everyone here at ecclesia.org when it arrives.
That quote was clearly written under "oneisraelite" as author but you seem to be saying Marty (Cornerstone Foundation) said it. That's wierd.
Just the same, no explanation for the transliteration Yahuway and Yahushuah. I imagine you have not even explained it to yourself, have you?
Just to be clear, you can call the Lord how you wish. It was only when you were promoting your doctrine here to a newcomer while bolstering your credibility falsely, saying you wrote from "Israel" that I began politely requesting this non-extant explanation why.
Regards,
David Merrill.
P.S. Readers; Oneisraelite did not have to change from the false "Israel" declaration to the correct "USA" declaration. He only had to do it to keep his membership privileges on ecclesia.org. So do not be duped by his confusing closing slogan into believing anybody forced him to do so against his will.
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David Merrill
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Posted - 02 Mar 2005 : 19:37:13
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I guess I will give up trying to get the explanation.
Anyway, because I am a little self-conscious about how dominantly I write here, I have opened a Topic "Psychoanalyzing David Merrill". Hopefully I can get some free advice and feedback that will improve things around here. Since my attempt to get an explanation about "Yahuwah" and "Yahushauh" have nothing directly to do with expatriation. I will decline further comment. I simply leave it to the intelligence of the readers to examine things for themselves.
Some of the things in the above Post just make no sense. It is almost like I am speaking with two different Oneisraelites. Maybe I misread what Oneisraelite means to be saying. "An act done by me against my will is not my act." means that Admin told him to correct his location to "USA". Why he denies to use "Yahuway" is a mystery. Oh, there I see it - a typo. Fixed.
When somebody quotes the Holy Bible they should never change the text they quote. If they were to change anything like LORD to Yahuway or Jesus to Yahushuah they should make that very clear and with explanation and that would even be inappropriate. To change Bible quotes is basically to be plagierizing and writing one's own new version. Perhaps Oneisraelite can tell me a Bible version that uses these spellings?
Regards,
David Merrill. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 02 Mar 2005 19:43:37 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 02 Mar 2005 : 23:31:17
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I guess I will give up trying to get the explanation.
[- about "Yahuway".] |
Edited by - David Merrill on 02 Mar 2005 23:32:18 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 06:48:04
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For what seems like the umteenth time, please go read the first post on His Name is Not JESUS thread for the explanations you so tirelessly desire.
C.J. Koster, author of Come Out of Her My People, after much diligent research concerning the name of our Creator and the Name of our Wonderful Counsellor, Yahushua, the Messiah came up with Yahuweh for the transliteration of the name of the Supreme Suveran and prefers Yahushua for the name of His Anointed Principal Officer, though he admits that there is plentiful evidence that it may be Yehoshua.
For your, and any others desiring edification, Yahuwah willing, I will go to the His Name is Not JESUS thread and type in Koster's notes (#'s 1 and 6) that pertain to the names. Hope fully these two things, mine and his (Koster's), will put this subject to rest.
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 03 Mar 2005 06:51:42 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 07:09:05
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Thank you. That helps.
In my opinion it fails to justify changing Bible quotes. And I think I form my opinion on conventions of writing and quoting other writers. For instance your recent request I correct Oneisrealite to Oneisraelite.
"Psychoanalyzing David Merrill" is likely my final attempt for explanation of Sacred Name doctrine - why people so tenaciously insist on deviant forms of the Names. But moreso why I assume you would be happy to explain your stance without such an ordeal.
As for the demand for a Rolls:
Expatriation - a social compact or rescission thereof - is formed in agreement. I was overlaying, projecting my experience with Joe and his transformation to Yahuway doctrine; that we immediately began to disagree and he too would not offer any plausible explanation (I do not see the explanation in the reference to "His Name is Not JESUS" thread nor have I read C.J. Koster). Compacts, contracts or agreements are just that - among brethren (sometimes even in commerce). You and I do not agree. So therefore I have no compulsion to help you draft out a comptroller warrant for your new cars.
Sincerely,
David Merrill.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 07:20:43
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That at that time ye were without the Anointed One, being aliens from the commonwealth of Yisrael, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without Yahuwah in the world:
Now therefore ye are…fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of Yahuwah…Yahushua, the Messiah himself being the chief corner stone…
Saint
One separated from the world and consecrated to Yahuwah… - Easton’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary, 1897 [Proper name added]
Head corner in the Hebrew is rosh pinnah, and the idiomatic (natural) meaning is, Head Chieftain
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 03 Mar 2005 07:25:11 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 07:39:39
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Saint
One separated from the world and consecrated to Yahuwah… - Easton’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary, 1897 [Proper name added]
Technically you replaced the name the original author used. Correct?
So to tie it up. Yes, I prodded you for a better explanation. But explained why. I wrote a summary Post over on the "His Name is Not JESUS" Topic.
It just seems that you would undergird your credibility with convention - not replacing other author's work with your obscure transliteration. And also, that you would have just come out with an explanation like you just did; only a lot sooner.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 07:50:38
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Firstly, I hope we can agree, since there is a preponderance of evidence, that the proper name of the Supreme Suveran has been supplanted, by the pen of the lying scribes and by the prophets that prophesy lies, with titles such as LORD and GOD, as it is written.
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal (LORD).
Secondly, it is the opinion of one whose opinion I respect much more than your own, Noah Webster, that according to consonance with established principles, rules or customs the Scripture should be rendered with the proper name resestablished therein.
Thirdly, I follow the example of one of our most honourable ancestors, Mosheh, who was called a friend of Yahuwah's.
kee qara shem yahuwah yahab godel 'elohiym
I will publish the name of Yahuwah:
ascribe ye greatness unto our 'Elohiym!
Fourthly, we emulate our Chieftain...
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
We ought to obey Yahuwah rather than men.
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 04 Mar 2005 12:04:14 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 08:09:07
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Thirdly, I follow the example of one of our most honourable ancestors, Mosheh, who was called a friend of Yahuwah's.
I will publish the name of Yahuwah:
ascribe ye greatness unto our 'Elohiym!
I will presume that the centered text is a Bible quote. It really strikes me that in changing other author's writing in your quotations you are correcting them (the other authors) and in the same breath discrediting them. So that logically leads me to wonder why you would quote them at all. But it seems dangerous doctrine to be intentionally misquoting the Bible.
As for the conspiracy theory about lying scribes that you hope I agree with. No. I do not agree. I think Yehoshuah was very much in agreement with these scribes and the exercise of the Torah in contemporary Jewish culture in Israel. Otherwise he would not have been able to speak in the synagogues. Maybe not allowed to attend at all. Paul too, mimicked compliance by shaving his head and cleansing by ritual for a week to try hiding the fact he was teaching a new and heretical doctrine in Asia Minor. Well when that lie failed, likely due to subsequent people coming into Jerusalem from Asia Minor testifying to what Paul was actually teaching, the Jews went Ape. Paul had to escape down a rope and pull his Roman citizenship card to survive the wrath of such a heresy whereas Jesus went commercially cross by overturning the moneychangers' tables. Aside from the fulfilment of the Worthless Shepard prophecy, that was what really got Jesus into trouble. So subsequently, the premise of lying scribes is a product of editing the Gospels by the influence of the Roman/Greco pagan syncrotism from Paul's letters from Roman captivity, house arrest.
Regards,
David Merrill. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 03 Mar 2005 08:22:30 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 08:27:49
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| It is done until you misquote somebody by changing whatever words they use with what words you think they should use. Then, just like with your allegedly writing from "Israel" you can be easily discredited by me or anyone else. Hopeofisrael.org even threatened legal action against Legalbear or maybe ecclesia.org if he did not retract misquotes and uncredited quotations. So if from now on you quit casting aspersions on other authors by correcting them, fine. You are as welcome to your opinions as anyone else, including me. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 03 Mar 2005 08:29:51 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 08:28:36
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Yirm'yahu 8:8(LITV) How do you say, We are wise, and the Law of Yahuwah is with us? Behold, the lying pen of the scribes has certainly worked deceit.
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
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David Merrill
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1147 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 08:34:46
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Oneisraelite said:
Yirm'yahu 8:8(LITV) How do you say, We are wise, and the Law of Yahuwah is with us? Behold, the lying pen of the scribes has certainly worked deceit.
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Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. KJV
You stand corrected.
And I agree you corrected your origination to "USA". Technically Bondservant did it and you agree by continuing to Post here under the correct banner. Good. Now that bolstered your credibility. I think it is important to correct somebody, especially in this forum, who intentionally misquotes the Holy Bible.
In the future whenever you quote the Bible, especially if you are quoting a more obscure version, please specify which Bible translation you are using. I have a computer program with about twenty of the more popular translations. Maybe we can come to some agreement. Otherwise I really have a problem with you misquoting the Holy Bible, even over the Internet. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 03 Mar 2005 08:59:29 |
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 08:49:26
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...the pen (H5842) of the scribes (H5608) is in vain.(H8267)
H8267
sheqer
sheh'-ker
From H8266; an untruth; by implication a sham (often adverbially)
H8267
sheqer
BDB Definition:
1) lie, deception, disappointment, falsehood
1a) deception (what deceives or disappoints or betrays one)
1b) deceit, fraud, wrong
1b1) fraudulently, wrongfully (as adverb)
1c) falsehood (injurious in testimony)
1c1) testify falsehood, false oath, swear falsely
1d) falsity (of false or self-deceived prophets)
1e) lie, falsehood (in general)
1e1) false tongue
1f) in vain
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
Edited by - Oneisraelite on 04 Mar 2005 12:09:26 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 08:54:52
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I don't feel that is so, that I have been corrected. I am talking about your misquoting the Holy Bible. However I note that you quoted the "(LITV)" Bible for Jeremiah 8:8 above. So my complaint is moot in this instance. However, I do not find anything in my Bible collection corresponding with those initials.
What are the initials LITV for? And does it really say "Yahuway" instead of "LORD" or some other reference to God?
For instance you are using Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to verify the LITV translation and Strong's is supportive only of the King James Version - at least the word references are for the KJV.
Thanks.
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Oneisraelite
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 09:14:56
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Secondly, it is the opinion of one whose opinion I respect much more than your own, Noah Webster, that according to consonance with established principles, rules or customs the Scripture should be rendered with the proper name resestablished therein.
fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisra'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional USA.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19
An act done by me against my will is not my act. |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 09:27:57
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I repeat my question.
What are the initials LITV for? And does it really say "Yahuway" instead of "LORD" or some other reference to God?
So the LITV is your own translation. You have translated the Holy Bible?
Noah is I am certain not saying to misquote established versions of the Holy Bible. However please clarify what word and which Dictionary you are quoting. I have many dictionaries too.
I would take this in private but it stands accusation that you misquote the Holy Bible to Internet readers. So please answer clearly. |
Edited by - David Merrill on 03 Mar 2005 09:32:32 |
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David Merrill
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 12:20:01
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You may answer in your own timing. For now I presume you would just blurt out a simple explanation and factual details if they existed.
Once I read testimony of a young man who pestered public officials with his stance on the truth until a judge ordered an injunction against him faxing and writing email. That is private legislation from the bench, an injunction (aka restraining order) against a specific minority or individual.
My concern here is the pressure misquoting authors on the internet applies to legislators to start regulating our behavior. A wonderful booklet published by the Aspen Institute is titled Rethinking Boundaries in Cyberspace. The model used example in the pamphlet was a man in a State where gambling is illegal, from the privacy of his own home, accessing a gambling Internet site in a State where gambling is legal. Enough on that headache though.
I am talking about the possibility that within five or ten years, that because we cannot conform to common law custom and usage on our own, legislators will be writing bills to the effect we cannot sit at our keyboards while logging on under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Then the next logical step might be while under the influence of religious fanatacism. The young man above mentioned the judge's decree that he was teaching Biblical doctrine without proper training.
Well that was a little private law privately applied. But that in itself when a bunch of judges hear a lot of restraining orders are being issued joinder them into a bill and suggest it to the local legislation.
I don't think ecclesia.org was culpable for Legalbear misquoting Hopeofisrael but the attorneys will just go for whoever may pay. Whoever they think has a bank account. So let's mind how we do it ourselves - how we quote others. Okay? Otherwise we invite regulation.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Manuel
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 20:47:48
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You know, when I was of a tender age, I remember having dreams that I would be flying. As I flew high up unto the heavens, the flight seemed slow, but as I descended and reached the earth's surface, the velocity seemed much quicker, maybe on living at that tender age the speed could have been a factor "of the thrill," then maybe it could have been that I was just doing a quick "pass and review" without having to "stick aound."
Today there was news of a man flying for @97 hours above the earths hemisphere, and making worldly record, but have you ever thought of the countless men and women which thrill themselves and others by sky-diving, "para"-sailing, etc., yet they can bare not flying In His Spirit? Vertigo?
I am,
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Expatriation: The remedy?
