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True North
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USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2003 :  07:50:12  Show Profile
Most arguments between science and the bible come from doctrine and not from the bible. The Hebrew language just didn't have the need for scientific terminology. "Science" really didn't get a good start until the 16th century.

Take for instance the word "day" in the first chapter of Genesis. The Hebrew word is "Yom". Look in your Strong's Concordance and see how many times it is used as something other than a literal 24 hour period.

Strong's is often misleading and doesn't give the full picture of the Hebrew word because of the nature of the language though. There are about 2000 "root" words for over 10,000 words. Usually a Hebrew word starts from a 3 letter root and a "family" of words is then built by adding to the root. There are 2000 "roots", for 10,000 words, a wealth of synonyms bewildering to the non-Hebrew speaker.

My point; The conflicts between science and the bible disappear when you translate from the original.

True North
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Posted - 19 Jan 2003 :  11:23:42  Show Profile
There appears to be a small number of active readers to this forum. Taking that as a given, I would like to thank the administrators for the excellent amount of knowledge they provide here.

The small number of readers allows me to go ahead and expound somewhat on the topic of science and the bible because these few readers are probably more interested in truth than argument just for argument's sake.

That said; Look at the word adam...It is a Hebrew word. It is technically not a proper name, yet it has never been translated as a word, only transliterated. It is used like we would use a proper name though or anyway that is how we view the word adam when it is used.

Gen 5:2 shows that adam was one, an exact duplication in kind, in the image and likeness of G-d. Their name was adam after male and female distinctions or separation or whatever G-d did here. So adam is a name of what they are and we miss it. We miss the part of knowing who we are when we classify adam as a proper name instead of translating adam for what it shows the race of man to be.

We know we are sons of G-d and servants of His but by tranliterating the words, instead of translating, we err. Take the word Messiah, or Christ, or Baptise, all transliterated words.

Our youth choose Darwin's theory over creation because of the evidences we have presented to them. They don't have any evidence to believe anything else. The bible says we are made of dust or red earth or whatever and that the earth was created in 7, literal 24 hour days. And science tells them otherwise.

Science and the bible don't conflict when the words are translated from their Hebrew root instead of tranliterated. Take another word...giant, from Gen. 6:4, Strong's concordance translates nephyl (5303) as giant with a Hebrew root from (5307) nphl. Nphl is a fallen one. One from Cain's lineage in rebellion against law (G-d).

Translate nphyl as giants and you create a whole doctrine of angels having relations with men even though in the new testament says angels don't have these kinds of relationships with men. (matt.22:30)

The context of the Genesis passage is the wickedness of men, not legends of Hercules and UFO's making demons.

Participate, talk with me, this is an area that I have a burden to the ecclesia for. The translation of words within the context of scripture. It's important for us to know the science of the bible not just the doctrine taught by the church.
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Robert-James
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Posted - 19 Jan 2003 :  12:50:04  Show Profile
Many on this forum have taken the time and discovered what words such as; RESIDENT,person, citizen, drive, motor vehicle truely mean. At one time I think We all can say, "we were deceived".....as Eve was. Apply this same discernment with scripture words, and We will see how badly Rome and her protesting daughters have deceived us. The transliteration of the names in scripture are paramount to understanding Life. Elohim=God. Lord God=YHWH. Yahushua{aka Jesus} mentioned that "We" are elohim, but we shall die like Adam. Because we do not protect the poor, fatherless and widow. We are the Sheperd 'race', and sheperd does mean to feed, or lead into green pastures. The first man in Genesis was 'created' by elohim. Genesis 2:4....YHWH Elohim formed ha-adam. Other 'races' were outside the garden, at the time of YHWH forming Adam. Else just WHO did Cain build a city for? As YHWH formed Adam, Paul also states.....until messiah be FORMED in you. Ever consider that there were gianys before the flood, and after the flood. Cretin apologists say giants were on the ark? How pitiful. Caesar issued a decree "that the whole world shall be taxed". Were indians native to America taxed? Of course not. Just as the flood covered NOT the whole world. Understanding the message of Genesis {beginnings} puts One on the highWay to Zion. The King James version was authorised by the worldly powers that be. Thank James Strong and others who gave Us the tools to remove the stones littering the Way to Zion. HalleluYah.
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True North
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Posted - 19 Jan 2003 :  17:12:15  Show Profile
Thanks Robert James for responding to this thread.

First time I've read your paticular slant on the cities that Cain built.

I did a piece on another forum covering the seven days of creation using Hebrew etymology. Using the scientific method, we explored transformism and the six days of creation. We started with the hypothesis that the Bible as recorded in Genesis is basically correct and compared it to known anthropology and science as we have it today. It can help disolve the mysteries comparing geology, anthropology and the bible.

It's in html form. Maybe the administrators would like to peruse it and make it available to those on this forum?

What say ye admin?
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Bondservant
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Posted - 20 Jan 2003 :  13:12:18  Show Profile  Visit Bondservant's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by True North

I did a piece on another forum covering the seven days of creation using Hebrew etymology. Using the scientific method, we explored transformism and the six days of creation. We started with the hypothesis that the Bible as recorded in Genesis is basically correct and compared it to known anthropology and science as we have it today. It can help disolve the mysteries comparing geology, anthropology and the bible.

It's in html form. Maybe the administrators would like to peruse it and make it available to those on this forum?

What say ye admin?
Send it or a link to [email protected] so we can review it.
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Shiloh
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 :  10:51:50  Show Profile
The world was created in a literal 6 days (7 day including the rest).

Just as the English "day" can be modified to mean a period of time (some day, any day, ect.). However, the Hebrew word "yom" when modified by the pre-clarifier of words like "first", "second" make them to mean a literal 24 hour day.

Secondly, most people never realize the whole case for evolution is based of circular reasoning, bold face lies and "willful ignorance of the facts" for the sole purpose of blending in or keeping your job.

The best speaker on this subject is Kent Hovind at www.drdino.com.
His videos and dvds are the best. It covers everything from the lies in the textbooks, why the socialist/communists are forcing our kids to learn evolution and why the teachings of evolution is so dangerous.

I believe you can even watch his lecture on line. Video 4 and 5 are his best. These I use to get people informed they are the best things I have seen to debunk the lie of evolution and get people to see the reliablity of the Bible.

People who claim the Bible is not scientific are either liars or have never read or studied the Bible in any depth.



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Robert-James
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 :  11:09:00  Show Profile
On what day was the sun and moon brought forth??? Tis truely insane to think the "days" of Genesis first chapter are equal to a twenty-four hour period. Again Shiloh, on what day was the literal sun brought forth? My scriptures say; on the fourth "day". Genesis 2:4 says the whole creation period is a "day". A day is as a thousand years, also. Until the Day Star arise in your heart, I am, Robert.
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Shiloh
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 :  11:15:30  Show Profile
True North,
You state...
[quote]
"Our youth choose Darwin's theory over creation because of the evidences we have presented to them. They don't have any evidence to believe anything else. The bible says we are made of dust or red earth or whatever and that the earth was created in 7, literal 24 hour days. And science tells them otherwise.

Science and the bible don't conflict when the words are translated from their Hebrew root instead of tranliterated.
[\quote]
Are you stating you believe in a Macro-evolution process? A non-literal 24 hour day? A non-literal 7 day creation?

If so, could you please inform me what "science" evidence there is to prove the word of G-d of none affect?

Also, could you please explain that if there was no world wide flood, why the whole world has the effects that would have been caused by it? By that I mean, if there was a world wide flood we would be sure to find millions of dead things, covered by dirt rapidly laid down in rock layers and turned into fossils.
If there was no world wide flood, why is there no errosion between rock layers? Why are there so many fossils (since things that die on the surface of the planet would rapidly decay or be eaten by other animals).
How come there are over 108 different world wide legends dealing with a world wide flood many with similar parts within them. Did you know the Chinese word for Ark the means "8 people". When we first went to Hawaii there was the legend of a world wide flood and 8 people surviving in canoes. These are just a few examples. If there was a world wide flood and a real tower of Babel, don't you think the people would keep the story of God's judgement on sin alive? I am sure some of the details may have faded, but it was still remembered.


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Shiloh
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USA
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 :  11:55:04  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Robert-James

On what day was the sun and moon brought forth??? Tis truely insane to think the "days" of Genesis first chapter are equal to a twenty-four hour period. Again Shiloh, on what day was the literal sun brought forth? My scriptures say; on the fourth "day". Genesis 2:4 says the whole creation period is a "day". A day is as a thousand years, also. Until the Day Star arise in your heart, I am, Robert.



The sun was formed (REPEAT formed)on the forth day. It was created on the first day. There are 2 Hebrew words for create. The first being to create (make) out of nothing. The second means to create (form) out of an existing substance.

Suppose you have children in public school. They have pottery in art class and come home and state "Dad look what I made" or "look what I created". Did they make clay? No, the clay was made already. They formed it into the ashtray (Who did not make an ashtray in art class as a child?)
This "creation" did not take away from the creation of clay, but set in purpose a use for the clay.

G-d in day one created (Bara) out of nothing the heavens and the earth. He than said. Let there BE light. And there was (BARA) out of nothing light. It was called into existance by the word of G-d.

On day for G-d, (Astra-possible spelling error) molded or shaped the luminaries for man for signs of seasons and for signs to man.

Why would G-d not have formed them into the sun, moon and stars before that? The Bible never states the answers to that, but it might be that he can call everything into existance all matter, and shape it for his purposes when he chooses to.

While you are quick to point out the statement a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years a day... or yesterday is a thousand years arguement. This does not stand up when examining the words. "The evening and the morning were the first day." are we to believe that the evening and the morning lasted a thousand years?

You will note that everytime the term thousand years comes up with a day, it is used in a poetic sense. I personally believe these are Gods ways of telling us to examine his word more closely to see what it could mean.

God set up the Sabbath as a sign according to the Bible,right? God created the world in 7 days? Have you ever wondered why 7 days? Why did God compare a day to a thousand years?

If the day= 1000 years and then from Adam to Jesus would be 5000 years. From Jesus to us 2000... follow? Hosea stated that because "she" rejected "him" he would turn his back on "her" for 2 days and then draw here back." The she is Israel. The He is Jesus. Did you notice that Israel has been called back after 2000 years?

Did you ever wonder why Joshua circled the city of Jericho 6 days blowing a trumpet once, but on day 7 he circled the city 7 times and blew SEVEN (7) trumpets?.... Joshua(the same name of our Lord, Yeshua)sent out trumpets around the world almost every thousand years to catch our attention. examples Flood,Tower of Babel, Exodus from Eygpt, Captivity of Babalon(...Spelling error)Elijah, Yeshua (aka"Jesus")Reformation) however if we are indeed entering the "day of the Lord" (the Sabbath aka 7000)does the Bible not talk about 7 trumpets being blown first before the beginning of the 1000 year reign of the Christ.

The 1000 year rest and reign of the Christ would be in the 7th (1000 year)day

I could point of many other things that would be very interesting. Why a 7 year release of debt? Why a 7 year rest of the land? Why the 49 year(7X7) return of the land to the orginal owner? Why does 7 keep coming up when in relation to time? I am sure that if you do a study on it you too will find some very interesting connections.



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doer
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 :  17:40:06  Show Profile
The number "7" symbolizes completion. Thus, the universe was completed in 7 days, Jerico was completely conquered on the 7th day, etc.

As to whether a Biblical "day" equals one day or one thousand or one million or one billion -- I DON'T CARE! The FACT remains that the Universe was CREATED -- and by an Intelligent Process. (Those who cannot see this SELF-EVIDENT FACT, have a tremendous need to deny the Truth.) Within that PROCESS we can have any arbitrary number of days and years -- including billions. After all -- INFINITY can hold one trillion, as easily as it can hold one.

The thing that we must be careful of, is to take the Bible too literally. It is ONLY A GUIDE. It is NOT A COMPLETE WORK. Studying the history of the Bible underscores this fact. What the Bible does, is to POINT to where we need to go. It does not get into too many specifics. We are expected to fill in the gaps with out own efforts and experiences.

"The Kindom of Heaven is taken by violence" -- which is to say, by great effort. It is not handed to us on a silver platter. There are NO road maps to INFINITY -- only directional signs that tell us there IS such a "place," and that encourage us to take up "The Way."

Since Infinity is such a starkly different REALITY from the one with which we are familiar here on earth, even describing it with temporal concepts is a challenge. So Yeshua had to speak in allegorical "parables," in attempting to convey such completely foreign concepts. I could go on, but hopefully you get the point.

The Bible was written by MEN. Because of this FACT, we must understand that their interpretation of REALITY came from their own limited perception. It is amazing that they were able to communicate as much as they did.

So just what did Moses mean by a "day?" Arguing his meaning -- already compromised by his own limited perceptions -- seems to me, to be a bit futile. We are HERE. We need to go on to THERE. The Gospels give us an idea of how to do that.

--Doer
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True North
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USA
163 Posts

Posted - 29 Jan 2003 :  08:39:16  Show Profile
quote from Doer

So just what did Moses mean by a "day?" Arguing his meaning -- already compromised by his own limited perceptions -- seems to me, to be a bit futile. We are HERE. We need to go on to THERE. The Gospels give us an idea of how to do that

end quote

Amen Doer

The knowledge of the covenant is my goal and the assurance of the same. I write to help reveal the knowledge of good and evil and to educate my own ignorance with the feedback.

quote from Shiloh;

If so, could you please inform me what "science" evidence there is to prove the word of G-d of none affect?

end quote

Shalom Shiloh, please read my crap objectively. The premise for my writings is... the bible is basically correct...it is the transliteration/translation/interpretation that makes is seem to conflict with science.

Considering theory and science, you can only prove out wrong theory with science but theory becomes accepted as fact if science proves it out, until new evidence is found that throws the science of the theory out. You can prove very little with science. But the effects of the acceptance of a wrong theory remain for years. The same is true when doctrine is taught from the infallibility of scripture theory.

On the subject of sevens, science and archaeological evidence agree with the bible...the first Yom is the Cosmic epoch verses 1-4. Azoic epoch = verses 6-8, Archeozoic epoch verses 9-13, Proterozoic epoch = verses 14-19, Paleozoic epoch = verses 14-19, Mesozoic epoch = verses 20-23, the Cenozoic day/epoch/eon/time period is the rest of chapter one.
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Shiloh
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USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2003 :  09:01:15  Show Profile
The most important reason to believe the day=24 hours is the fact G-d stated so!

If death was not until after the fall of man, than Millions of years is a falsehood created by people denying the word of G-d.

If G-d is correct, than man is in error.

Since Yeshua (Jesus) confirmed every part of the old testiment that man has had a hard time swallowing, I believe in a literal creation.
Since there is a toldoth at the end of the creation story, it is a good chance that it was written by "Adam" who signed off. Moses most likely collected the writtings and edited them into Genesis. Oddly enough, Yeshua never attributed Genesis to Moses like he did with the other books of the first 5 books.

I will defend a literal Bible, because it was written by man under the influence of G-d. If it is not, than Yeshua, Paul and others are liars or can not be trusted as they claim it was written by the inspiration of G-d.

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True North
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Posted - 29 Jan 2003 :  14:09:24  Show Profile
Shiloh

So be it, please ignore my writings from here on, I am no prophet.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

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doer
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Posted - 29 Jan 2003 :  16:47:45  Show Profile
Shiloh,

You state that, "The most important reason to believe the day=24 hours is the fact G-d stated so!"

But G-d said NOTHING OF THE KIND! For He does NOT speak in words, as we would like to think. He speaks in the "Still, Small Voice" of our Conscience. That is a wordless voice, yet we immmediately KNOW -- without the slightest doubt, when we are doing wrong. For HE tells us -- in HIS SPIRIT. And THE SPIRIT requires no words to communicate with its own kind.

Moses understood the meaning, because he communicated DIRECTLY with the SPIRIT. But then he tried to communicate it to us with words. This is an impossibility! THE WORDS ARE NOT THE REALITY! The words can only DESCRIBE the REALITY. Is the description of a chair, the chair itself? Can you sit and relax in the description? Can you use the description to stand on, to get something from the top shelf? Is the description made of beautiful hardwood that you can admire? So it is with describing SPIRITUAL REALITIES -- only infinitely more difficult, because we have few words that even allude to the REALITY, much less COMMUNICATE it.

If you are hearing voices, then it is from the OTHER GUY.

We get so caught up in WORDS, especially inspirational ones -- that they can come to control us through our perceptions. This can only hold back our Spiritual Growth. An excellent book on the subject is, "The Secret Power of Words," by Roy Masters. To order, call
1-800-877-3227

You can believe in a literal Bible if you insist, but then you are limiting yourself AND YOUR CREATOR by doing so. There is so much more to it than that! It was never meant to be the be-all and end-all as the final word -- but only as a guidebook for "those who have ears to hear." We must not become mired in the LETTER of the LAW, as the scribes and pharisees were. The SPIRIT of the WORD is far more important to understand.

Doer
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Robert-James
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Posted - 29 Jan 2003 :  18:09:58  Show Profile
Greetings in the name of YaHuWeH. The problem being; most all christians nowadays are agnostic. i.e....not gnostic. Yahushua said WOE to the lawyers and preachers of His day for they took away the key of knowledge. The word knowledge is in greek....gnosis. When a man does not have spirit eyes or ears, he functions in an agnostic outlook and his understanding of scripture will be of the dead letter. Paul called this, reading scripture with the veil still over their eyes. Shiloh, a hint, the first sentence in Genesis should read; "In the beginning of this time span". ...the reason being, YHWH has no beginning or end. I surmise your "G-D" has a beginning?
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Shiloh
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Posted - 30 Jan 2003 :  11:06:04  Show Profile
quote:

But G-d said NOTHING OF THE KIND! For He does NOT speak in words, as we would like to think. He speaks in the "Still, Small Voice" of our Conscience. That is a wordless voice, yet we immmediately KNOW -- without the slightest doubt, when we are doing wrong. For HE tells us -- in HIS SPIRIT. And THE SPIRIT requires no words to communicate with its own kind.



So when the Bible states that "WORD (Logos)was made flesh" that was in error as there is no way G-d could speak in physical flesh? Perhaps you are limiting the One True G-d.

Why beleive in false theories when you can seek out the truth. Again I encourage you to seek out the work of a Dr. Kent Hovind (www.drdino.com) or Ken Ham.

If the Bible can be shown to be accurate and "science" proven to be false, why would you wish to doubt G-d?

Further, if you have a truly powerful G-d, could he not protect his word from error?
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Shiloh
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Posted - 30 Jan 2003 :  11:19:13  Show Profile
quote:
"In the beginning of this time span". ...the reason being, YHWH has no beginning or end. I surmise your "G-D" has a beginning?



That is true. Since G-d has no beginning or end, it is in the beginning of a time span. Sort of as "man" has created a label for creating time starting one period and electing to call it what it is.
Some call today "January 30th, 2003" and in a literal 24 hour period it becames "January 31th, 2003".

If my G-d elects to mark time in a literal way and call it the "beginning" who am I not to observe it? He created a day by marking it with an evening and morning a literal day. He created a literal week marking it ending with a sabbath. He created months, years and other events marking them with signs from things as the sun, moon and stars all which he was more than capable of creating in a literal 6 day week and resting on the 7th day.


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Shiloh
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Posted - 30 Jan 2003 :  12:21:25  Show Profile
Genesis 2:4....YHWH Elohim formed ha-adam. Other 'races' were outside the garden, at the time of YHWH forming Adam. Else just WHO did Cain build a city for?

Who did Cain build a city for?

HAVE YOU NOT READ...

GEN 3:20 ∂ And Adam called his wifeís name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

GEN 3:23-24 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

GEN 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

SO ADAM AND EVE WERE NOT IN THE GARDEN WHEN CAIN WAS BORN
(NO WHERE DOES THE BIBLE STATE THAT OTHER RACES...WHICH THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE...WERE CREATED OUTSIDE THE GARDEN, NOR WAS CAIN BORN IN THE GARDEN)

GEN 4:11-24 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brotherís blood from thy hand;
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid;(THUS HE FELT HE HAD TO HIDE HIS FACE IN CAVES AND FROM VIEW and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. And his brotherís name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

WHEN HIS SON WAS BORN HE BUILT HIMSELF A SHELTER TO PROTECT HIMSELF, HIS WIFE AND HIS SON. A MAN WHO WAS A MURDER (AND MOST LIKELY NOT TRUSTING IN G-D.) WOULD MOSTLIKELY NOT BELIEVE THE PROMISES OF G-D TO PROTECT HIM. FURTHER, AS HIS FAMILY GREW HIS "DWELLING" WOULD INCREASE TO A LARGER SIZE CITY.


WHERE DID CAIN GET HIS WIFE THEN?

(THE TOLDOTH)
Genesis 5:1-4 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

"ADAM" was 130 years old when SETH WAS BORN! Before SETH "Adam could have had daughters or in the in the 800 years after SETH he could have created the wife of Cain (as well as possibly the wife of Seth) There were no PEOPLE created outside of the GARDEN as EVE was the MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING!
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doer
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Posted - 30 Jan 2003 :  18:05:28  Show Profile
GENESIS 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."

Well, if you take that literally --
I can just see GOD wiping the sweat off his brow, and sitting down in His easy chair to rest. And GOD said, "Man, was that ever hard work! I better check the frig for a cold one!"

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Robert-James
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Posted - 30 Jan 2003 :  21:44:15  Show Profile
Shiloh, an interesting addition: Eve gave birth to everything that is dead...think My man, think. Conceiving Cain was the ultimate 'sin'. "Not as Cain, who was of the evil one". Adam was not the evil one. YHWH made a 'deep sleep' come upon Adam,.... most of his descendents have yet to awaken! Trace Cain's seed line in scripture. Yahushua said to the talmudic Jews of His day, "you are of your father, the devil". Twice they are mentioned in the book of Revelations....2:9 and 3:9. I repeat, Eve was NOT the mother of all living. We have a lot of zombies walking about. All numbered and given an ALL CAP name. They are not of the Living. So much to learn, and so little time left! A test is coming. I submit it took 130 {13x10} years for "Eve" to be properly cleansed. And then Adam declared he produced a son in HIS own likeness.
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Shiloh
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Posted - 31 Jan 2003 :  10:18:25  Show Profile
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Originally posted by Robert-JamesTrace Cain's seed line in scripture. Yahushua said to the talmudic Jews of His day, "you are of your father, the devil". Twice they are mentioned in the book of Revelations....2:9 and 3:9....Eve was NOT the mother of all living.



Yahushua (Jesus) stated... "You are of your father the devil" as these men pure evil subtituting the laws of men in place of the laws of G-d. See Mark 7 as an example. If you are born of G-d, you live for G-d and his laws. If you are not of G-d, you have made the laws of the devil your god, and the devil your father. Even in this world could my parents give birth to me, to have me kidnapped and taken away. If I discover that I am not the son of the kidnapper and elect not to be his child, claiming his name and doing his lifestyle I can return to my parents. G-d gave life to all men (creation). The devil stole that life through sin. If man should find out (being introduced to the word of G-d and the law of G-d) that they have been tricked into being a child of the devil, they can return to G-d, by accepting his name (through the redemptive blood of Yeshua (Jesus)) accepting his way of life and electing not to be a child of the devil.

As for Eve not being the Mother of all the Living, why does, one, the Bible state she is, if she is not. Two, why has recent DNA science researchers discovered that the all men(born of flesh and blood) are related and come from "one woman".

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We have a lot of zombies walking about. All numbered and given an ALL CAP name. They are not of the Living. So much to learn, and so little time left! A test is coming. I submit it took 130 {13x10} years for "Eve" to be properly cleansed. And then Adam declared he produced a son in HIS own likeness.

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I agree we have alot of people (born of Flesh and blood) walking around blinded of the truth of G-d. Spirital zombies dead to G-d.

As for submitting that it took 130 years for "EVE" to be properly cleansed for "Adam" to produce a son in his own likeness... Not at all Biblical) Really? Please explain "Able". He was born out of the womb of "Eve" after "Cain" but before "Seth". "Able" was acceptable in the eyes of God. So perhaps your theory of "Cain" being the "Sin" of "Eve" is in error. Perhaps the reason G-d was upset with the children of cain,(as well as many other people) was because Cain did not walk in a mannor of Worship or love of G-d, as did Able. People who do not hold G-d Highly, fearing or obeying his commandments, seldom have children that do. This is why G-d told the Israelites to DISTROY all the people, animals and possessions of pagan nations. Just a thought.

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