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Gregory
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USA
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 Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 12:34:24
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Jesus preached a kingdom and performed services for the people. He set up a kingdom that worked better than Rome.
A kingdom that cultivated individual responsibility.
That is what we should be doing, seeking and working for the kingdom.
What is a major error on our part?
There is the civil, if I may use that word for a moment, power of God that operates on faith hope and charity...e.g. love and
There is the civil power of the city of Cain, merchants of men, Nimrod,
Egypt and Rome who exercise lordship one over the other.
What are we forgetting.
Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
I don't have to steal from, usurp or slay Cain or Egypt or Rome but If I "do the job" they will give us what we need in abundance for each day.
Our focus should be on the job, on the service on seeking and leading people to an abundant kingdom of charity and service, of healing and health.
There are two kinds of housholds in the world those of Cain's and those of God. Yet the Roman Centurion had more faith than any one Jesus had come across in Israel and Judas betrayed Christ.
If People want their rights, they must take the responsibility upon their shoulders and some will have to help them lift that burden.
Returning is a process and in the mean time if you drive a car that Cain has an interest in then you may need to have a license. You can get one in the vatican and drive all you want in the USA. Why can't you do the same with the true kingdom of Heaven?
I think we need to come together as a people and to give no appearance of evil. I think there is a place for abatements. I think there could be a way of getting the car out but I have not seen men do it. I think there is much to be said for the MCof Origin but I can't afford new cars and there are a few gray areas there too.
I think the coming together in one accord is essential.
I think living as a body and as a nation is critical. Think the highest of standards is important.
I do not recognize Cains authority I allow those who wish to be subject to him and those who wish to go under his authority and to give their sweat to him... to do so.
I think it is the place of the Church to keep the gates of the camp open so men can come out and so that they can do so as a people. It is a big job and I do not have all the answers but I know Who does.
I am on a walk like everyone else but I see what Jesus did better now than ever and Moses and Abraham and the Levites and the first century Church and I also see cain and the "world".
I don't condemn the world that is not my job.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
That is the same world that His kingdom was not a part of , the constitutional order of men, of Rome.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
We are to live in the world but not of it. This may take time, effort, steps and stages for many. Jesus recognized that and disciple had to walk a while before they became apostles and all Christians learned to serve in the capacity that they were able to serve.
Like the centurions who were under oath. They did not come out although there are stories of soldiers who had to refuse to take oaths beyond their original oath. They had become Christian and would not take the second oath and were stripped of their Roman garments and sent on to a frozen lake where they all died but one who crawled off and repented and took the oath. An officer who saw his comrads die for faith went out and stripped and died in his place.
Such conviction but they remained faithful to their first oath because they would not undo their word. They made their yes yes.
I am not going to dictate what men muist do or not do. I know that it is a matter of repentance, turning around and going step by step in a direction.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
We have ordained ministers, commissioned ministers and even church licensed ministers. Ordained ministers must be separate in all the ways Christ said but there is clear precedent that others may serve the kingdom as they seek to enter the kingdom yet still serve Pharaoh until they are let go.
Each man must decide what he can do and how and what God's call is for him.
If we do not allow that we are no different than Cain.
I have no time and may have not spoken clearly but I have to run.
Peace be on your house
Gregory gregory@hisholychurch.net
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Lewish
Advanced Member
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Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 15:50:55
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Hi Gregory,
Some good thoughts there. Let me pose a question if I may. Do we need to get the car out? Let me explain what I am talking about. I am reading more and more reports, some even written by lawyers, of people who have done their UCC-1 filing and then have just ignored re-newing their licenses, both the license plate on the car and their driver's license. When stopped by the police, the police have taken their driver's license, run it on their computer, come back and either gave only a warning ticket or simply said "please drive carefully".
Now, I know that this isn't happening to everyone, but it does seem to be increasing in frequency. I am hearing of it more and more often. Obviously the police could see that the car license was expired, and they could see that the driver's license was expired, but the police took no action.
Something to think about.
Just another searcher for ways not to deal with Caesar,
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Robert-James
Advanced Member
uSA
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Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 22:06:23
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| Greetings. Cain's descendents were to be utterly destroyed once entering into the Promised State. You will also destroy all the remenants of Cain's rule, IF One is to enter into the City of the Great King. For without are dogs and all liars. |
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Gregory
Occasional Poster
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 01:39:03
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I cannot accept this as proof of much because a few people are let go. I would like to hear real evidence of what took place when the vehicle was looked up and what the cop was thinking.
In the matter of destroying cain I would have to see the source of that reasoning. Also we are not dealing with a blood line today but a way of governing men.
The Merchants of Men
Canaan
http://www.hisholychurch.net/study/history/2merchantmen.html
These were a continuation of Cain in precept as is most governments today. If you intend to destroyu them all you have to make sure you only get the tares and not the wheat, too.
If you make a mistake it will be on your head. ???
Gregory
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True North
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 07:53:26
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From memory here not scripture...
When the people were entering the promised land, they were to destroy every man, woman and child. Lest they be corrupted into following false ideals. Destroying the remnants of Cain's coercion government and every minute detail that involves, IN MY OWN LIFE, seems plausible and necessary in order FOR ME not to return "like the dog to its vomit". The Holy City being a present kingdom and reality now, not "by and by". Not a command, mind you, but a suggestion that needs to be contemplated so that the "works tried by fire" stand. A process though, tempered with common sense and knowledge, like you imply Gregory.
Somewhere my heart started "waxing cold" to the rest of the world. Remembering that Cain was cut off but not destroyed returns some perspective. Living amongst capitalists and socialists and trying to help them see personal responsibility and coercion is trying when you are following the maxim...
"What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops". Matthew 10:27
Lewish,
When the highway patrolman stopped me, as soon as he became convinced I was not "wanted" as a criminal anywhere and was not a drug dealer, he had no more interest in me. He still followed the routine but my point is the words of my mouth could have either condemned me or justified me. Maybe carrying identification as an ambassador of the kingdom will help.
Isn't most of the argument about how to quit the registration process and licensing? I see the UCC 1 filing as more of the same type of registration, just in different money amounts and processes.
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Lewish
Advanced Member
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Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 11:53:29
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Hi True North,
I use the term UCC as a catch-all term. There is much, much more to it than just filing the UCC-1 form. But, once I have completed everything I am in the process of doing, then I will be out of Caesar's system. No more tax man coming looking for taxes. No more buying license plates every year. And much more. It has been a lot of work finding these answers and doing the steps. It has taken 5 months of 8 to 12 hours a day of study and research. But, it is worth it. I have seen Divine guidance as I made gone down the path. It is not by accident that I have come this way.
There are those who would say that I am on a false path. Well, you have that right. But, I am confident in what I am doing. I would prefer a path like the one Randy Lee travels, but I was not led in that direction. I admire him for being able to go that way.
Whatever path you choose, I feel the important thing is to keep your eyes on the Master and to seek first the Kingdom of G-d. After that, not much else matters.
Peace,
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doer
Advanced Member
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Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 14:01:21
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Lewis,
You make some fine points. So long as we maitain the right focus -- which can only be on our Creator, then everything will turn out well. Even if we find ourselves at a dead end, at least we will be able to SEE it, and have the wherewithall to turn around (repent) and continue our journey.
I find that pursuing the UCC strategy has been a wonderful education. Even though it is not the Ultimate Path, just the journey alone has made my perception of The Way more clear. NOTHING is lost nor wasted in pursuing the Truth. We only need to MAINTAIN FOCUS at all times. Make sure we have enough oil for our lamps (desire and energy), unlike the bridesmaids who forgot to get enough and were stranded when the bridegroom came for them (redemption).
Ultimately, I know that I will abandon the UCC strategy for the purity of Common Law. But my FAITH is not yet strong enough. So I must travail in this pusuit, until I am taught enough humility to be worthy of that Path.
Be Well,
Doer
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Robert-James
Advanced Member
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Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 16:46:52
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| Greetings. Do words and names still carry meanings? The ego of the natural man decides for hisSELF what he wants to believe. Scripture plainly states Cain has a seed line in the flesh, as does the Adamic line through Seth. "Not as Cain, who was OF the wicked one". John in his first letter talked to three groups: little children, whose sins were forgiven. 2} young men who have overcome the ...wicked one. 3] Father's who were from the beginning. {Firstfruits}. |
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